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1 of 4 Americans don't know ... by Wichita
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The test is flawed. One question had no universal correct answer.
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Originally posted by cliffw:

One question had no universal correct answer.



Nope. Sex is not the same as gender. Sex is solely genetic, while gender involves personal identity. Of course, most adults identify with their biological sex, but some do not.

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Personal identity from what input?

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I actually had to google "cisgender". That was new to me.
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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:
Sex is not the same as gender. Sex is solely genetic, while gender involves personal identity.

Three of four Americans don't know that, . Kidding, I don't know that fact to be true. Play off the thread title.
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Personal identity from what input?



Self.
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Self.


Self--That indicates non-sociological or no social environment input.

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Self--That indicates non-sociological or no social environment input.



Self identification. I'm using the conventions from cultural anthropology: It doesn't matter what others think you are. What matters is how you see yourself, or the broad patterns of gender-specific behavior you display.

There may be different conventions, e.g. in psychology, sociology, or other social sciences, that I don't know about.

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Self identification.

Ahh, self identification. I had to look that one up. It means vanity. There was a picture of Napoleon, Hitler, and Nobama, .

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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:


Nitrogen, like all of the other gases in the atmosphere, behaves according to the Ideal Gas Law: pv = nRT (at least at reasonable temperatures and pressures).

Nitrogen expands with temperature just the same as oxygen, or any mixture of the two, or dry air. The presence of water vapor in air (or in nitrogen, for that matter) can be problematic, though, since it is condensable at ordinary ambient temperatures and pressures. Actually, that is the primary advantage of using nitrogen rather than locally-compressed air: the bottled nitrogen is "dry" ... i.e. guaranteed to be free of water.



Thanks, interesting reading. looks like as you say the benefit is mostly because it is dry and moisture in air is what makes it expand more, and it is not a lot.
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Several of these questions will have different answers if you agree with evolution or creationism.
Getting them "right" is opinion and shows how well general public school teachings can be regurgitated.
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Several of these questions will have different answers if you agree with evolution or creationism.



This was a science quiz, not a philosophy or theology quiz.

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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:


Nope. Sex is not the same as gender. Sex is solely genetic, while gender involves personal identity. Of course, most adults identify with their biological sex, but some do not.



Even sex is non-binary. Hermaphrodites are naturally occurring. (Rare, but naturally occurring.) It's also possible to have both fully functional. It's also possible to be born with two fully-functioning penises. (Link: Reddit ask-me-anything with a man who has that unique situation. Some links behind that link may be NSFW.) It's also possible to be born with no genetic sex at all. Biologically speaking, even sex is not a 'this or that' answer.
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... 3 out of 4 avoid them ...
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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:


This was a science quiz, not a philosophy or theology quiz.



If you say so.
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no, not if marvin says so, even though he's right in this case.
the test is based on silly little things like astronomy and chromosomes and subatomic particles, and has nothing to do with gods or systems of ethics. the only reason some people object to it is because it contradicts a literal interpretation of an oral tradition composed by shepherds who believed they were superior to everyone else because they were "chosen" by one of those same gods.
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the test is based on silly little things like ...

... a regular joe blow's opinion. It wasn't "one out of four scientists" don't know. Was it even a knowledge test ? Or, was it a fund raiser ?
 
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no, not if marvin says so, even though he's right in this case.
the test is based on silly little things like astronomy and chromosomes and subatomic particles, and has nothing to do with gods or systems of ethics. the only reason some people object to it is because it contradicts a literal interpretation of an oral tradition composed by shepherds who believed they were superior to everyone else because they were "chosen" by one of those same gods.


It's funny.... For 30 years I used to think that, now I'm not so sure. My education, training, and even my logic is based in science. I'm not saying that the answers are wrong, I'm just saying that several questions hinge on the belief of evolution. That's all. In my mind, these particular questions are not based in fact, but opinion. It is a theory that has been put together based on observations and testing, but not proven. Evidence of that is that the theory changes every so often (even within our life time). Hence.... thinking that what we were taught in school was "fact"? Is it? How much of it can be proven?
Science is an experiment. I live it every day at work and at home.

Just my two cents....
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It's funny.... For 30 years I used to think that, now I'm not so sure. My education, training, and even my logic is based in science. I'm not saying that the answers are wrong, I'm just saying that several questions hinge on the belief of evolution. That's all. In my mind, these particular questions are not based in fact, but opinion. It is a theory that has been put together based on observations and testing, but not proven. Evidence of that is that the theory changes every so often (even within our life time). Hence.... thinking that what we were taught in school was "fact"? Is it? How much of it can be proven?



Not that you're wrong in what you say but to me, it's about probabilities. And if you assign an equal probability to the creation theory and the evolution theory then logic doesn't have much to do with it, in my opinion.

Of course it can be said in class that the evolution theory is a scientific theory with an explanation of what that means. And it can be said that then there are some that believe... (pick your creation myth).

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Not that you're wrong in what you say but to me, it's about probabilities. And if you assign an equal probability to the creation theory and the evolution theory then logic doesn't have much to do with it, in my opinion.

Can you logically explain A Missing Genetic Link in Human Evolution and the fact that the evolution theory stopped happening ?
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Can you logically explain A Missing Genetic Link in Human Evolution and the fact that the evolution theory stopped happening ?


Heh, stopped happening?
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Heh, stopped happening?

Well, if we evolved from apes, logically the same evolutionary process would still be occurring.
Perhaps, when God created man, He turned the evolution faucet on for just a bit ?
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It's funny.... For 30 years I used to think that, now I'm not so sure. My education, training, and even my logic is based in science. I'm not saying that the answers are wrong, I'm just saying that several questions hinge on the belief of evolution. That's all. In my mind, these particular questions are not based in fact, but opinion. It is a theory that has been put together based on observations and testing, but not proven. Evidence of that is that the theory changes every so often (even within our life time). Hence.... thinking that what we were taught in school was "fact"? Is it? How much of it can be proven?
Science is an experiment. I live it every day at work and at home.

Just my two cents....


Right along with electric theory and atomic theory, some how the concepts behind these theory examples work in observation.

It just so happens that evolution theory is the pesky little scientific theory out of so many, that happens to be the one that many religious people disagree with by saying it is just a "theory", yet they don't give any credence to any other scientific theory, just evolution.
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Originally posted by cliffw:

Well, if we evolved from apes,


We didn't and no-one who has dedicated any time to the evolution theory would say that. We share common ancestors. We actually share common ancestors with all living beings on this planet, you just need to go back in time far enough.



 
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Originally posted by cliffw:...logically the same evolutionary process would still be occurring.


It is, it's just a very slow process and difficult to observe in real time.

 
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Originally posted by cliffw:Perhaps, when God created man, He turned the evolution faucet on for just a bit ?


So now he didn't create Adam out of "the dust of the ground" and then "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life"?

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Can you logically explain A Missing Genetic Link in Human Evolution and the fact that the evolution theory stopped happening ?


Stopped happening? You are mistaken.

 
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Well, if we evolved from apes, logically the same evolutionary process would still be occurring.
Perhaps, when God created man, He turned the evolution faucet on for just a bit ?


It is still occurring. You just don't understand evolutionary theory.

There wasn't a group of modern-day chimps that turned into humans. We evolved into our separate species from the same ancestors.
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those who believe the theory of evolution is invalid do so because they do not want to believe it.

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those who believe the theory of evolution is invalid do so because they do not want to believe it.



Nobody has to believe it. Just come up with something better that's not "because the bible says so".
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