We're the USA. Best country in the world. Always will be.
I hated Baby Bush. I was pissed when his wife bought $480,000 in White House china a few months before they left. But, thi$ family that live there now, tho$e are $ome big $penders.
And sorry, but we are not the best country in the world. Please elaborate as to why you have this perceived notion?
Originally posted by theBDub: He plans to ... develop a new retirement savings plan called myRA.
MYRA ? A dream so new he fumbled pronouncing it. Really didn't explain it but I did get the drift. For our financial future security we can buy government debt bonds. We can let our crack spending addicted government hold our money, , , . No thank you.
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: ... the president said one word that will be forever remembered: 'ZERO'" That one word will go down in history as a defining moment of his presidency. ZERO Americans who cannot get health insurance because of age, sex, or a pre existing medical condition. ZERO Americans who have to lose everything they have worked for because they get sick.
What stopped people before from getting health insurance because of age or sex ? There were also preexisting medical condition policies available. People who go bankrupt due to medical costs do not lose everything. Many who do go bankrupt due to medical costs thought they didn't need insurance. ObamaCare was not needed to cure the ails of the health insurance industry.
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I was pissed when his wife bought $480,000 in White House china a few months before they left.
Why? You didn't pay for it. It was purchased by private funds provided by the White House Historical Association, who also paid for Hillary Clinton's new china.
Why? You didn't pay for it. It was purchased by private funds provided by the White House Historical Association, who also paid for Hillary Clinton's new china.
That's what's wrong with this country--buyin all that Chinese crap.
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olejoedad Member
Posts: 19959 From: Back home again in Indiana Registered: May 2004
Well, the global warming debate needs no more discussion......... Barry told us that it was settled, and its real!!! I suppose the reason we've never seen his school records is due to the astounding depth and breadth of his education, you know, doctorates in philosophy, political science, climatology, military science, economics, crowd psychology, and animal husbandry.... (for all the animal feces that he slings)......
With few exceptions (such as Gerald Ford's blunt 1975 assessment that "the state of the union is not good") the president's annual report to Congress is an exercise in reassuring Americans they are exceptional, blessed by God, leading the world, and headed for better things.
Last night's was no different; at best, it amounted to an optimistic statement of intent by a president who has been thwarted constantly by other arms of government since assuming office.
So, let's imagine what an outsider like, say, me, might submit if asked for a more succinct, less varnished assessment of the state of the American union. It would probably go something like this:
"My fellow Americans,
"A month after I assumed office, in the midst of a financial crisis that terrified us all, I stood in this place and promised we would not just recover, but that we would emerge stronger.
"Well, five years later that that hasn't happened for most of us. To quote a common jape, the economy's doing well, except for most of the people in it.
"Half the counties in this great nation have not yet made it back to pre-recession levels.
"Our public debt, relative to our economy, is higher than the European average, and we know what a mess Europe is. As those countries struggle to repair their damage, we do foolish things like threatening default, and shutting down government.
"And yet, we actually do seem to be recovering faster than the rest of the world from the disaster our very own banking system created.
"A lot of that is because of our incredibly privileged position as printer of the world's reserve currency. It makes us immune to economic realities endured by the rest of the world, at least for the time being.
"We are lucky. And we should realize that. "As much as some think government is the problem, it has actually been the solution. My predecessor's decision to embrace socialism in 2008 and use tax money to rescue our banks seems to have worked. As did the heavy spending I undertook that so many of you are so angry about in retrospect.
"Our Federal Reserve has also printed trillions of dollars, which helped prevent collapse, although frankly, folks, no one has any idea how that's going to turn out now that the Fed's winding it up.
"I guess we'll see.
"I do want to reassure you tonight that I still regard economic inequality as the defining issue of our time. But I must confess it has grown during my time in office.
"I know I promised to do something about it. But for some reason, millions of you who have seen your real incomes shrink relentlessly continue to vote against your own economic interest. You also want more tax cuts for the well off, perhaps because you still think you have a shot at getting rich.
"Well, I'm going to be honest tonight: Most of you don't.
"I'm not sure what else I can say, or do, about that, given our system. But that particular American dream appears to be dead.
"Turning to my most solemn duty, the protection of our country, you all by now know that our intelligence services have become the most powerful in the history of the world. They spy on just about everyone, everywhere, including you, my fellow Americans.
"Unfortunately, you heard that first this past year not from me, your president, but from a 29-year-old CIA contractor.
"So, I decided to conduct a review of how we gather intelligence, and I've decided some changes are needed, but really, I'm afraid there's not really much I can do about that, either, my fellow Americans.
"I've discovered the truth of what Senator Frank Church warned us about nearly 40 years ago: We've created something we cannot really control. And we need it to deal with the bad guys. We just have to live with that.
"I can report, though, that our long foreign wars are over, even if Iraq appears to be sliding back into violent anarchy, and Afghanistan probably isn't far behind.
"To our many shattered warriors, and to those of you who lost sons and daughters in those countries, I wish I could say it was worthwhile. Perhaps it was. I just don't know. None of us does.
"Let me now say something about our health-care reform, what I've been proud to call Obamacare: It's a mess. A stew of regulations and unintended consequences.
"In retrospect, we should have done what just about every other Western nation has done and put in place a true, publicly insured system, with a single payer, available to everyone, alongside a private system for those who can afford it.
"That's what I really wanted to do. But what can I say? I came to office believing in compromise, and to say it hasn't worked was an understatement. Congress State of the Union
"I can only hope you, my fellow Americans, will embrace what we created, as you have embraced all your other entitlements. It's out of my hands now.
"Finally, let me turn to the people in this room: The 113th Congress of these United States.
"To you, I say: Really? Seriously? Are you kidding me? You are on your way to becoming the least productive Congress in our history. You have been, quite literally, useless.
"You managed to pass 58 bills last year, and a lot of those were to name post offices.
"You members of the House of Representatives are the entrenched product of gerrymandering; you in fact represent the calcification of twisted democracy.
"And how many times have you held your useless votes to repeal Obamacare? Fifty, right? "Great job. Congratulations.
"And you, my former colleagues in the United States Senate, are cowards.
"This time last year, we were still grieving over the murders of 20 schoolchildren at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. I asked for some basic measures to protect Americans … and you did nothing.
"You couldn't even find the courage to pass background checks on new gun buyers, which most Americans support.
"Five of the final "No" votes were from members of my own party. Shame on you, and shame on us.
"So I'm announcing tonight that I will use whatever powers I possess to act unilaterally. But really, it won't amount to much.
"Remember, my first promise, back in those hopeful days of 2009, was to close the Guantanamo Bay detention centre. You wouldn't even let me do that.
"There are those of you who will say this speech is too dark, that a president should not speak so ill of our democracy. And indeed, there are wonderful things about this country I have not said tonight.
"Well, I suggest we are already very good at self-congratulation, my fellow Americans, and more of that is not what you need from me. I suggest we need to co-operate, pay our taxes, educate our children, care for our weakest members, and stop whining at one another.
"This chamber would be an excellent place to begin.
Well, the global warming debate needs no more discussion......... Barry told us that it was settled, and its real!!! I suppose the reason we've never seen his school records is due to the astounding depth and breadth of his education, you know, doctorates in philosophy, political science, climatology, military science, economics, crowd psychology, and animal husbandry.... (for all the animal feces that he slings)......
Obviously Barry knows all about animal husbandry. Talk about all hat and no cows............ Over on the cattle boards, that pic is usually accompanied by a caption reading "If I had a cow it would be an Angus" .
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
I hated Baby Bush. I was pissed when his wife bought $480,000 in White House china a few months before they left. But, thi$ family that live there now, tho$e are $ome big $penders.
And sorry, but we are not the best country in the world. Please elaborate as to why you have this perceived notion?
Gotta disagree with you. We absolutely are the best country in the USA. Morning Tony!
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
[QUOTE]With few exceptions (such as Gerald Ford's blunt 1975 assessment that "the state of the union is not good") the president's annual report to Congress is an exercise in reassuring Americans they are exceptional, blessed by God, leading the world, and headed for better things.
Last night's was no different; at best, it amounted to an optimistic statement of intent by a president who has been thwarted constantly by other arms of government since assuming office.
So, let's imagine what an outsider like, say, me, might submit if asked for a more succinct, less varnished assessment of the state of the American union. It would probably go something like this:
"My fellow Americans,
"A month after I assumed office, in the midst of a financial crisis that terrified us all, I stood in this place and promised we would not just recover, but that we would emerge stronger.
"Well, five years later that that hasn't happened for most of us. To quote a common jape, the economy's doing well, except for most of the people in it.
"Half the counties in this great nation have not yet made it back to pre-recession levels.
"Our public debt, relative to our economy, is higher than the European average, and we know what a mess Europe is. As those countries struggle to repair their damage, we do foolish things like threatening default, and shutting down government.
"And yet, we actually do seem to be recovering faster than the rest of the world from the disaster our very own banking system created.
"A lot of that is because of our incredibly privileged position as printer of the world's reserve currency. It makes us immune to economic realities endured by the rest of the world, at least for the time being.
"We are lucky. And we should realize that. "As much as some think government is the problem, it has actually been the solution. My predecessor's decision to embrace socialism in 2008 and use tax money to rescue our banks seems to have worked. As did the heavy spending I undertook that so many of you are so angry about in retrospect.
"Our Federal Reserve has also printed trillions of dollars, which helped prevent collapse, although frankly, folks, no one has any idea how that's going to turn out now that the Fed's winding it up.
"I guess we'll see.
"I do want to reassure you tonight that I still regard economic inequality as the defining issue of our time. But I must confess it has grown during my time in office.
"I know I promised to do something about it. But for some reason, millions of you who have seen your real incomes shrink relentlessly continue to vote against your own economic interest. You also want more tax cuts for the well off, perhaps because you still think you have a shot at getting rich.
"Well, I'm going to be honest tonight: Most of you don't.
"I'm not sure what else I can say, or do, about that, given our system. But that particular American dream appears to be dead.
"Turning to my most solemn duty, the protection of our country, you all by now know that our intelligence services have become the most powerful in the history of the world. They spy on just about everyone, everywhere, including you, my fellow Americans.
"Unfortunately, you heard that first this past year not from me, your president, but from a 29-year-old CIA contractor.
"So, I decided to conduct a review of how we gather intelligence, and I've decided some changes are needed, but really, I'm afraid there's not really much I can do about that, either, my fellow Americans.
"I've discovered the truth of what Senator Frank Church warned us about nearly 40 years ago: We've created something we cannot really control. And we need it to deal with the bad guys. We just have to live with that.
"I can report, though, that our long foreign wars are over, even if Iraq appears to be sliding back into violent anarchy, and Afghanistan probably isn't far behind.
"To our many shattered warriors, and to those of you who lost sons and daughters in those countries, I wish I could say it was worthwhile. Perhaps it was. I just don't know. None of us does.
"Let me now say something about our health-care reform, what I've been proud to call Obamacare: It's a mess. A stew of regulations and unintended consequences.
"In retrospect, we should have done what just about every other Western nation has done and put in place a true, publicly insured system, with a single payer, available to everyone, alongside a private system for those who can afford it.
"That's what I really wanted to do. But what can I say? I came to office believing in compromise, and to say it hasn't worked was an understatement. Congress State of the Union
"I can only hope you, my fellow Americans, will embrace what we created, as you have embraced all your other entitlements. It's out of my hands now.
"Finally, let me turn to the people in this room: The 113th Congress of these United States.
"To you, I say: Really? Seriously? Are you kidding me? You are on your way to becoming the least productive Congress in our history. You have been, quite literally, useless.
"You managed to pass 58 bills last year, and a lot of those were to name post offices.
"You members of the House of Representatives are the entrenched product of gerrymandering; you in fact represent the calcification of twisted democracy.
"And how many times have you held your useless votes to repeal Obamacare? Fifty, right? "Great job. Congratulations.
"And you, my former colleagues in the United States Senate, are cowards.
"This time last year, we were still grieving over the murders of 20 schoolchildren at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. I asked for some basic measures to protect Americans … and you did nothing.
"You couldn't even find the courage to pass background checks on new gun buyers, which most Americans support.
"Five of the final "No" votes were from members of my own party. Shame on you, and shame on us.
"So I'm announcing tonight that I will use whatever powers I possess to act unilaterally. But really, it won't amount to much.
"Remember, my first promise, back in those hopeful days of 2009, was to close the Guantanamo Bay detention centre. You wouldn't even let me do that.
"There are those of you who will say this speech is too dark, that a president should not speak so ill of our democracy. And indeed, there are wonderful things about this country I have not said tonight.
"Well, I suggest we are already very good at self-congratulation, my fellow Americans, and more of that is not what you need from me. I suggest we need to co-operate, pay our taxes, educate our children, care for our weakest members, and stop whining at one another.
"This chamber would be an excellent place to begin.
"God bless America."
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I think that I just discovered I'm a displaced Canadian. That would have been a speech that would have had me riveted to my seat in disbelief like I was in a dream state. Not being an Obama fan (there are lots of them here) I didn't watch it. I pretty much have the same problem with him as I did with Romney. I have no idea at all whether it's truth or lies that is coming out of their mouths. Unlike the other politicians.
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I just saw that as part of the State of the Union address there is also going to be several anti-Canada / Keystone XL ads running trying to tie our Conservative Government to China. Well, fark you guys. We are not the ones going down a road to Communism.
If nothing else, I hope his executive decision to force a minimum wage increase on businesses has such an adverse affect as to finally bankrupt your country. Your government is already morally bankrupt, might as well be financially as well. At least then it would stop your country from committing acts of industrial espionage and spying on the rest of the free world.
Enjoy your slide to mediocrity. I remember back when the US had dreams, put men on the moon, and did great things. If there was a bar fight, he was the guy you wanted on your side. Now he is the untrustworthy guy you have to keep an eye on, for fear he will stab you in the back or steal your wallet when your not looking.
Ouch bro… Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional American rib shots, but that was a bit below the belt…
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
I know that many of you hate the President, for reasons that I won't go into AGAIN. Like most political speeches, there was a lot of shoe polish. But the president said one word that will be forever remembered: 'ZERO'" That one word will go down in history as a defining moment of his presidency.
ZERO Americans who cannot get health insurance because of age, sex, or a pre existing medical condition. ZERO Americans who have to lose everything they have worked for because they get sick. Sure, the ACA has flaws (which can be fixed) but that is a major milestone in the progress of American civilization. And he said some other cool stuff. too.
You had to reach pretty deep to try to find a positive, didn't you? And you decided the "affordable" health care act was it? Never mind that premiums are going UP, the obamacare policies coverage SUCKS with high deductibles and co-pays, millions are having good policies canceled, and there are as many uninsured today as before obamacare started, but ooooh the "can't be turned down for preexisting conditions", that made it all worth it, huh! Yup, that's your typical liberal plan, take a problem, make it worse, ignore the bigger problems you have created, and STILL declare victory!
Just another half-baked leftist pipe dream, and non-critical-thinkers like you fall for it. Unreal.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by loafer87gt: I just saw that as part of the State of the Union address there is also going to be several anti-Canada / Keystone XL ads running trying to tie our Conservative Government to China. If nothing else, I hope his executive decision to force a minimum wage increase on businesses has such an adverse affect as to finally bankrupt your country. Your government is already morally bankrupt, might as well be financially as well.
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Originally posted by Purple86GT: Ouch bro… Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional American rib shots, but that was a bit below the belt…
Meh, didn't offend me none. I would like to point out that we are not quite yet financially bankrupt. We don't have to air ads/commercials during our politician's speeches.
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Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
Gotcha both! All I did was change the phrase from "the best country in the world" to "the best country in the usa". My phrase is of course completely meaningless! ha ha.
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
Gotcha both! All I did was change the phrase from "the best country in the world" to "the best country in the usa". My phrase is of course completely meaningless! ha ha.
Yes you did.
I meant: The best country, the USA.
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37862 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by dratts: Gotcha both! All I did was change the phrase from "the best country in the world" to "the best country in the usa". My phrase is of course completely meaningless! ha ha.
I caught that but didn't want to nitpick. I was thinking about that other thread with the argument about whether or not we had (?) the best quality of life and was gonna relate that.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Funny that. That's the thing about the American public who go on with their lives like Lemmings with out sticking their head up now and then to see what is happening. Who are oblivious to what is going on around them except for what is told them by someone else, expect what our society is supposed to do for them, without researching for themselves. Who just complain, being blind to what is really going on. Who don't READ(from many sources) and are brain lazy. They will believe it. Even though this was not the first time they heard it. Last time it was "we can't wait". What was that ? Two years ago or four ? Think about those buffoons and the buffoon they elected. He has been a lame duck since the second year of his presidency because of his attitude. What does Nobama have to show for his ... lack of leadership ? A failed health care law, the most anemic economic recovery in history, less world influence, skeptical allies, and four dead Americans. "What difference does it make" ?
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Originally posted by newf: "Well, I suggest we are already very good at self-congratulation, my fellow Americans, and more of that is not what you need from me. I suggest we need to co-operate, pay our taxes, educate our children, care for our weakest members, and stop whining at one another.
"This chamber would be an excellent place to begin.
I like that. I like that a lot except not exactly. He never placed any blame on himself. Especially his propensity to blame others, anybody but himself and his policies.
I didn't see it...spent the night building a custom headboard for the master bedroom.....but I read this morning that he said 40+ times of voting to repeal the ACA was enough, it wasn't going anywhere, and maybe it was about time Republicans in the House and Seante show their plan instead of just saying NO.
If he did in fact go there, it's about time he located his testicles and spoke out. This has been the least productive Congress in American history but they've found sufficient time to repeatedly play Don Quixote vs. The Windmill over the ACA.
Enough already.
Put a viable plan on the table and get it past the loonies in the House or STFU.
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Darth Fiero Member
Posts: 5922 From: Waterloo, Indiana Registered: Oct 2002
ZERO Americans who cannot get health insurance because of age, sex, or a pre existing medical condition. ZERO Americans who have to lose everything they have worked for because they get sick. Sure, the ACA has flaws (which can be fixed) but that is a major milestone in the progress of American civilization. And he said some other cool stuff. too.
About 18 years ago I was working for a GM dealership right out of high school. My employer provided ZERO health insurance coverage to shop employees, so I had none. I was making a little over minimum wage at the time, barely enough for me to afford to buy some tools from a place not unlike Harbor Freight. I began having trouble working (lack of energy and chronic coughing spells) to the point I had to quit because I could not work a full 8 hour shift.
I went to my parents' family doctor and was initially misdiagnosed with "congestion" and as prescribed the usual medication for that. A few weeks later, as my symptoms worsened, I returned to the same doctor's office but saw a different M.D.. The different M.D. suspected CANCER and immediately sent me to the hospital for x-rays, cat-scans, and other you-name-it tests. I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and was immediately put into treatment (about a year of chemo and a month solid of radiation treatments).
Again, I had ZERO insurance. Was I ever denied medical treatment by anyone because I didn't have insurance? NO. Existing law prohibits this.
By the time it was all over I was faced with about a quarter million dollars in medical bills. I had no way of paying these and, yes, I did receive calls from creditors - some were nasty. But in the end, I filed for hardship (bill forgiveness) with the treatment centers as well as Medicaid coverage and eventually received it. TO THIS DAY I never had to pay a dime for these bills out of my own pocket.
Medical bankruptcy is different than regular bankruptcy. As a matter of fact, you can pay very little (I think as little as $1.00 a month in some cases) towards your outstanding medical bills and they (the creditors) cannot come after you. None of these bills ever showed up on my financial record.
So when the president tells you that you face financial ruin if you don't have medical insurance, HE IS LYING TO YOU.
As a matter of fact, many Americans are currently facing financial ruin IF THEY DO SIGN UP FOR OBAMACARE. Have you seen the plans, Neptune?
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The average obamacare Bronze plan annual costs are as follows: (source: healthpocket.com)
Deductible for an individual enrollee: $5,081.00 Deductible for a family: $10,386.00 Doctor Visit: 30% of doctor visit expense charged to patient as coinsurance fee* (coinsurance fees used for doctor visit in 54% of plans studied) Specialist visit: 30% of specialist visit expense charged to patient as coinsurance fee Annual cap on out-of-pocket costs for an individual: $6,267.00 Annual cap on out-of-pocket costs for a family: $12,569.00
Premiums for Bronze Plans are only guesses until insurance companies unveil their qualified health plans for open enrollment. Some sources have estimated a Bronze Plan premium in 2016 to be $4,500 to $5,800 annually for individuals and $12,000 to $20,000 for familes of four or five.
So, that's a potential cost for an individual for a Bronze plan of about $1,000 PER MONTH (if you have to pay the max deductible along with the premium). Or for a family, it could reach a potential cost of $2,600 per month (if you have to pay the max deductible along with the premium).
How much were your actual monthly medical expenses before Obamacare was enacted? I bet you they are nowhere near what you are going to be paying for a crappy Obama bronze plan.
But keep drinking the koolaid. Next thing you know, Obama will be telling you that you have to pay a carbon tax on your exhaled CO2 gases. And you lemmings will probably follow him right off the cliff on that one as well.
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Darth Fiero Member
Posts: 5922 From: Waterloo, Indiana Registered: Oct 2002
Put a viable plan on the table and get it past the loonies in the House or STFU.
Define "viable" in your liberal eyes.
I bet your definition of viable and mine are going to be completely different and no compromise can be made.
I love it when extremist radical liberals pass some law that 3/4 of the populous does not want, they do it in the middle of the night with a political slight-of-hand measure, and then sit there and try to claim they are doing it for the good of the country. But yet these very same people who passed said law EXEMPT themselves and their staffers from it. Apparently the ACA isn't even good enough for your own congressmen, senators, and their staffers who voted for it because all of them demanded to be exempted from it.
THE TRUTH of the matter is the ACA as it exists today, isn't even being implemented as it was originally written. So many exemptions have been issued via executive order the law itself doesn't even function anywhere close to how it was supposed to have been as it was written. WHY DO YOU THINK WE WANT IT REPEALED? YOU DEMS CAN'T EVEN CONFORM TO IT 100% AS-WRITTEN YOURSELVES.
As I recall, repeated measures have been put forward by the republican controlled house to the senate; some to even reinstate the ACA to 100% as it was originally written. And HARRY REID won't even allow such bills to even come up for a vote in the senate. So I would say to you it is the DEM controlled SENATE that is the LEAST PRODUCTIVE in history.
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
I didn't see it...spent the night building a custom headboard for the master bedroom.....but I read this morning that he said 40+ times of voting to repeal the ACA was enough, it wasn't going anywhere, and maybe it was about time Republicans in the House and Seante show their plan instead of just saying NO.
If he did in fact go there, it's about time he located his testicles and spoke out. This has been the least productive Congress in American history but they've found sufficient time to repeatedly play Don Quixote vs. The Windmill over the ACA.
Enough already.
Put a viable plan on the table and get it past the loonies in the House or STFU.
I still think the less of Obamas specifically bad ideas he can get accomplished the better. Could take a vote of Americans regarding ACA and see what people actually want.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Okay....it's rather well-documented what you don't like. Everybody's heard that ad nauseum.
And the alternative is....what, exactly? Haven't read much about that yet.
And you won't because you'll ignore anything that doesn't come from your dear leader. Plenty of plans have been offered and discussed, but all dismissed out of hand. You see only what you choose to see.
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texasfiero Member
Posts: 4674 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: Jun 2003
Okay....it's rather well-documented what you don't like. Everybody's heard that ad nauseum.
And the alternative is....what, exactly? Haven't read much about that yet.
What we had before WAS actually better than what we have now with ObaamaCare.
The people who have signed up for health insurance with ObamaCare, can't actually afford to even go to the doctor. Most plans are several hundred a month, with a deductible of nearly $2,000. This means that someone has to spend $2,000 out of pocket every year before the insurance kicks in... and this is WITH them paying their $200-$300 insurance premiums every month.
There are now nearly 5 million FEWER people with healthcare due to cancellations, than there was BEFORE ObamaCare went live.
Some people just don't want to pay for healthcare, others can go on Medicaid, some legitimately at stuck in the middle between being able to afford healthcare, and making too much for Medicaid (there's an estimated fewer than a million who actually meet that level of making too much for Medicaid, but not enough to afford their own), and then there are those who can afford it and would rather have the latest cell phone or a 160 dollar cable bill every month instead of health care.
What makes YOU think that as a Democrat you have the right to FORCE them into doing what YOU think is best?
The economy is NOT better, this healthcare system is NOT better, and we are now SIGNIFICANTLY MORE in debt than we ever were before any of this nonsense started.
If Obama had just taken a pragmatic approach at the economy from day one, and not bothered with healthcare or gun banishment, or any of the other nonsense... then the economy MIGHT actually be doing better. But he didn't... he focused on 100+ year old liberal agenda ideology and got NOTHING done... meanwhile screwing up the successes that his former Democrat president HAD accomplished with welfare reform.
Thanks to people like you who voted for him, we now have an entire generation of people who can't work, expect to have everything handed to them, and don't even have the basic skills to meet tomorrow's jobs.
There was a time I actually thought making the public school system a national program... that was well before I realized that a president could be so possibly inept. Imagine if President Obama had control over the public school system, how worse-off we would be right now? I can only imagine.
And you won't because you'll ignore anything that doesn't come from your dear leader. Plenty of plans have been offered and discussed, but all dismissed out of hand. You see only what you choose to see.
Your mind reading act is amateurish, dude, and your conclusions pedantic. I'm far too pragmatic to have a "dear leader."
I respond to results, not rhetoric. The counter proposals that were presented (quite a few months ago, I may add) were at best akin to placing a band-aid on a cancer.
I used the word "viable."
Perhaps it bears repeating.
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Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
I respond to results, not rhetoric. The counter proposals that were presented (quite a few months ago, I may add) were at best akin to placing a band-aid on a cancer.
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So, the ACA is acquainted to a "cancer"? Is that what you are referencing to?
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. No thank you.
Stay classy. 
