Mr. Hill,

Aztech Electric has reviewed the submitted information and came to the following conclusions:

#1. Your statement indicates that there was no signage indicating road hazards.
Response: The Pines Rd ITS project was an active job site that maintained road way construction signs throughout the duration of the project. Signage is required by the contracting agency and was in place.

#2. The pictures you attached show three different locations.
Response: None of the pictures show a hazard that, under normal construction site driving conditions with properly maintained and road worthy tires would cause a blow out and loss of control of a vehicle. As this was an active road project, the public should anticipate possible road hazards.

#3. Review of the Les Schwab’s quote indicates that the car is a 1984 Pontiac Fiero.
Response: I am sympathetic to your personal connection of the car but need to point out that the average fair market value of this car is less than half of the amount claimed.

#4. Towing of the car was required because of damages caused by loss of control of a vehicle in a posted construction zone.
Response: Loss of control leads me to believe that you must have been traveling at a higher rate of speed than what was posted. That particular tire path was experiencing at least 10,000 tire crossings a day without incident.

#5. You claim that the exact match of wheel and tire are no longer available.
Response: This leads me to believe that the tires and wheels are antiquated models (very old). We see no justification to replace old antiquated tires and wheels with 4 new high priced wheels and tires.

In conclusion, Aztech feels that the damages caused to your car were caused by lack of attention to construction signs in a construction zone, excessive speed in a construction zone, inability to maintain control at low speed , worn out and possibly improperly maintained tires. The claim far exceeds fair market value of the car. We do not feel that total new replacements are justified as the original equipment was not in new condition to begin with.

I am sympathetic to your claim and would like to offer $300 assistance to apply to your insurance deductible or purchase of 1 comparable used tire and wheel. If this is not acceptable, I would be willing to meet on site with you, the city of Spokane Valley police department and any witnesses you have to discuss the circumstances that led up to the loss of control in a construction zone. This offer is subject to acceptance within 3 days. After 3 days, Aztech will withdraw this offer and consider the claim closed.

Thank you,

Scott Lee
Project Manager/Estimator

Translation

#1 Should have paid attention.
#2 Nothing there to cause a problem AND should have paid attention.
#3 Got you by the nads there.
#4 No body else seemed to have a problem at his site.
#5 Got you by the nads again.

Got to agree with the others that say you are asking way too much. They are not going to replace four wheels and tires just because. Hell I had a sister in law get rear ended in here 2006 Kia Sedona a while back and the insurance would not pay for a new replacement bumper as now the plastic bumpers are "repairable". Such a crock over something that was 100% not her fault. I'm betting if they want, the value of the car could come to play and they could total it and you get a check for the value of a 84 Fiero and lose the car to boot. That 300 bucks not looking too bad now does it?

Kevin

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: What your trying to do is screw the insurance company for more than you disserve, sure they should fix your rim and buy you a tire, used tire with the same amount of wear as yours had, maybe even a ball joint, maybe. Steve

I don't believe he is trying to "screw" anyone with malicious intent. I believe he is pushing the blame and actually feels entitled to these request/demands.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: What I see is a guy who always thinks it is someone else's fault. You believe you are always right. You've made threads with similar BS. You wanted everyone to take your side in that selling of Sarah's car thread. Never did hear how that actually turned out. How about when you were reviewed at work and considered a distraction? When you changed some kind of work computer option and you didn't think you should be reprimanded. There seems to be a common denominator.

Always thinking something is someone's elses fault is pushing it quite a bit. I know exactly when something is my fault. I know when I am without a doubt certain that something is not my fault, I also know when things may lie in the gray area and nobody knows whos fault it is. My ultimate fallacy is that I NEVER give up, even when I see defeat is imminent. I will continue to push through it and rightfully admit defeat and congratulate the winner. Such as seen here, though I do not see defeat at all. From my current perspective I still see that I am absolutely not at fault. I was not driving improperly. Just as you guys see "how could that possibly cause that damage" as did I at the time of the incident. I saw no need to avoid such thing. Unfortunately it did defeat me and my car. Now I am concerned, as to why something could be a potential hazard, someone skilled and trained in the area of road repair would not label it as such and allow drivers like us to drive over it without any forewarning.

I also don't get upset when other's don't see my way. Whether they agree with it or not is entirely up to them, but when I feel someone is completely ignorant of my views, I will continue to explain until it finally matches up and the other party and I can see eye to eye, or they simply get frustrated and give up, as I never do.

Though, while I do enjoy trying to argue my point here, none of this is directly related to why I created this thread, it is so far derailed. That is not a problem, that is why we have an O/T section. While I do agree, alot of the discussion here is somehow connected to the original question. I feel I have gotten nowhere with my original issue. I am asking for advice interpreting how a certain insurance company does business, whether or not I am in the right or wrong would be between me and them as I see it.

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quote Originally posted by Shill: I was never informed/educated that any of this was required. at the time, I just thought as you all do now. That's just a broken wheel and tire, I can fix that myself no biggie. only a few hundred dollars. I get it home and realize that is not the case, I cannot find those wheels anywhere, and the shop will not repair it. Now the cost goes up, and being that I don't feel I am responsible at all, nor can I afford this. I should get in touch with whoever is responsible so that they can do they right thing and take care of this.

So, it was your fault, until you couldn't cover the damages. Then it was someone else's.

And ignorance isn't an excuse. Should have taken the $300.

After looking at your other thread and looking at all your pictures I have a couple of questions for you.

what size tires are you running? are they the proper size as recommended on the tire placard? because they look like those low profile tires to me, I couldn't see the size in the pictures. but if they are not the recommended size you are SOL. those low profile tires should never have been put on any car, not enough sidewall for everyday driving, especially in a construction zone with imperfect road surface. You also should not have passed your states safety inspection. So again you are SOL.

As well as have you lowered your car? like so many others who do this when you do that it makes the car more susceptible to damage and negates some of your insurance coverage, unless you have a special rider policy.

there are no pictures of the other damage you SAY is there, without pictures of all the damage you say you have sustained you are SOL.

see there is a proper way to file a property claim, yes that is what you have a property claim, its your property that was damaged. you should have called the police for a police report, would have helped your case immensely, you didn't so you are SOL.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: After looking at your other thread and looking at all your pictures I have a couple of questions for you. what size tires are you running? are they the proper size as recommended on the tire placard? because they look like those low profile tires to me, I couldn't see the size in the pictures. but if they are not the recommended size you are SOL. those low profile tires should never have been put on any car, not enough sidewall for everyday driving, especially in a construction zone with imperfect road surface. You also should not have passed your states safety inspection. So again you are SOL. As well as have you lowered your car? like so many others who do this when you do that it makes the car more susceptible to damage and negates some of your insurance coverage, unless you have a special rider policy. there are no pictures of the other damage you SAY is there, without pictures of all the damage you say you have sustained you are SOL. see there is a proper way to file a property claim, yes that is what you have a property claim, its your property that was damaged. you should have called the police for a police report, would have helped your case immensely, you didn't so you are SOL. Steve

Then explain to me why the most common tire size from an OEM is 225/55/17? http://tireguides.com/tiretips/tiredocument/11

Also, the car is not lowered.

Take a second look at the pictures, you can clearly see the broken balljoint, and control arm as it it resting on the lower lip of the wheel.

quote Originally posted by Shill: I have full coverage on this car, i did when this incident happened. It is only a $100 deductible also. this is not the issue. Why do you all assume i have no coverage for this?

How about because you are an idiot for not filing a claim with your own company?
What you are tying to do is insurance fraud, you are trying to get more than the damage, you really are a fkn idiot and people like you are the reason everyone's insurance rates are so high. don't believe I really don't give a fuk I have been driving and insured longer than you have been alive.
don't like what I said, call the cops, you should have when this happened but then you know everything, including how they should be paying you for four new tires and rims when only one was damaged. you really are an idiot.
Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't



Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

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