Not through force/ uprising or whatever!

Just thinking for fun. If next week the majority of our population filled with brainwashed idiots decided that they had enough, and strongly wanted to take action to change the direction that America is headed in.

Could we "take back" our country from our scheming and thieving politicians? If so, what would be the most effective way(s) to achieve the fastest results?

Or has all been lost and we just have to sit on our lawn chairs with a cold one and watch our country fall apart? OR wait until the next presidential election where once again we will most likely be forced to "choose" between the lesser of two evils.

Not sure what brought this on since normally I choose to try my best to ignore what goes on as it makes me sick, but Putin's ass whoopin' on Obama in the NY Times made me crack a smile (as much of an ass Putin is IMO). If anything he just made a bunch more idiots in America convinced that military action is not the way to go with Syria.

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Vote for the next labor party.

quote Originally posted by Chris Hodson: Vote for the next labor party.

No no no.
The Whigs are the answer.

Is that far enough back?

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Although my opinion isn't always the most popular one I'll give it anyway. I really don't think things are THAT bad. I mean I know people are struggling right now trying to make ends meet but when I take a step back and look at the life of an average American I realize we really do have things going pretty well for the most part. People don't die of starvation anymore, we have easy access to amazing technology, most of us own a car, we have the internet, and there is always some new amazing discovery or advancement just around every corner! Its an exciting time to be alive! We may not be the 1% of America but we are the 1% of the world. Our idea of "corruption" is nothing compared to what the rest of the world has to deal with and even when I'm struggling with finances there is no country on Earth I would rather live in. Look at the genocides that still happen in many countries today. We are so blessed that we don't have to live through that. We don't go to bed every night wondering if we will be killed the next day by some warlord's thugs. We have freedom here to do what we want which is something a lot of us really take for granted. And while some people have financial and class advantages that we don't we have a drive and willpower. Those are things that can't be bought.

This isn't the first time I have heard this whole "take America back" idea. I work in a deli in a grocery store and my coworkers say stuff like that all the time. No amount of money alone can ever make a person content. Contentment is an attitude and it is entirely up to you if you want to be happy. I've met rich people who live empty and sad lives and homeless people who live happy ones. America should not be taken back by force and while we could do it, it is not the right thing to do. If you want change then make change. Get on youtube and start making videos or work to better your community. One day you may even gain enough notoriety to run for office and then you can make a difference. America will not be taken back by hatred. It can only be restored by love. I'll be honest it would be very difficult but if we each individually become the change we want it can be done. Now go out and do it!

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Easy, if the majority of us stopped paying taxes it would knock um down a few pegs.

quote Originally posted by RilesOfSmiles: Although my opinion isn't always the most popular one I'll give it anyway.....

Words like "yet" and "for now" popped into my head while I read your post. I'm happy for you that you have such an optimistic view on things but stuff could get ugly real quick.

To the OP's question, me and a friend were discussing this last night actually and if "the people" of America wanted to take it back and took on the military, it would be a total massacre. No way the general public would have the fire power to take on the military.

quote Originally posted by fastblack: Words like "yet" and "for now" popped into my head while I read your post. I'm happy for you that you have such an optimistic view on things but stuff could get ugly real quick. To the OP's question, me and a friend were discussing this last night actually and if "the people" of America wanted to take it back and took on the military, it would be a total massacre. No way the general public would have the fire power to take on the military.

that is if the military were to go along with it,,, I think a lot of them are starting to hit a breaking point as well

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: Easy, if the majority of us stopped paying taxes it would knock um down a few pegs.

LOL, they would just print more.

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: that is if the military were to go along with it,,, I think a lot of them are starting to hit a breaking point as well

Like I said before I don't think taking on the government by force is the right way to do it I seriously doubt we would have to take on tge military. Our miltary's job is to protect the American people from threats domestic and abroad. Their job is not to protect the government alone. If our military deemed our politicians to be a threat to us then that is who their guns will be pointed at. Soldiers know this and we can trust them to fight for which ever side is right. But I seriously doubt it will come to that.

You do bring up a good point on the military.

I actually have a good question that is related to this subject. How does a normal ol' American citizen go about impeaching a president?

quote Originally posted by fastblack: You do bring up a good point on the military. I actually have a good question that is related to this subject. How does a normal ol' American citizen go about impeaching a president?

Rally enough support I suppose. The idle ramblings of some anchor on fox news isn't going to do it thats for sure.

Not going to respond just yet, but I meant taking back not through force. Any other way but a civil war type scenario.

Civil disobedience.

I suppose the best way is to use the government in the way it was created and contact your representative. I do this from time to time on issues that I feel strongly about but I always get the same old generic reply. I'm 99% sure that my representative never even reads them, pretty sure a computer generates the email based on the "required poll" answers. That and have you ever tried calling your representative? Good luck getting through, tapping it out in morse code would probably have a better end result. Hate to sit back and watch the country I love go to hell but it's almost to that point...what the heck is a guy gonna do? You've made your voice heard, as have numerous others and it falls on deaf ears. I'm just hoping Canada will be nice enough to take me in when it all goes to hell, promise I'll take back all those bad jokes.

quote Originally posted by RilesOfSmiles: Although my opinion isn't always the most popular one I'll give it anyway. I really don't think things are THAT bad. I mean I know people are struggling right now trying to make ends meet but when I take a step back and look at the life of an average American I realize we really do have things going pretty well for the most part. People don't die of starvation anymore, we have easy access to amazing technology, most of us own a car, we have the internet, and there is always some new amazing discovery or advancement just around every corner! Its an exciting time to be alive! We may not be the 1% of America but we are the 1% of the world. Our idea of "corruption" is nothing compared to what the rest of the world has to deal with and even when I'm struggling with finances there is no country on Earth I would rather live in. Look at the genocides that still happen in many countries today. We are so blessed that we don't have to live through that. We don't go to bed every night wondering if we will be killed the next day by some warlord's thugs. We have freedom here to do what we want which is something a lot of us really take for granted. And while some people have financial and class advantages that we don't we have a drive and willpower. Those are things that can't be bought. This isn't the first time I have heard this whole "take America back" idea. I work in a deli in a grocery store and my coworkers say stuff like that all the time. No amount of money alone can ever make a person content. Contentment is an attitude and it is entirely up to you if you want to be happy. I've met rich people who live empty and sad lives and homeless people who live happy ones. America should not be taken back by force and while we could do it, it is not the right thing to do. If you want change then make change. Get on youtube and start making videos or work to better your community. One day you may even gain enough notoriety to run for office and then you can make a difference. America will not be taken back by hatred. It can only be restored by love. I'll be honest it would be very difficult but if we each individually become the change we want it can be done. Now go out and do it!

We have smarter Thugs.
They keep you in check not through violence but with a bucket of ever decreasing quality grain.

They take care of their cattle better.

We are on the best ranch out there but the herd is getting kinda large.

Soon they won't be able to feed us. What do you suppose happens then?


Cattle only stampede. They can't do anything else.

quote Originally posted by RilesOfSmiles: Like I said before I don't think taking on the government by force is the right way to do it I seriously doubt we would have to take on tge military. Our miltary's job is to protect the American people from threats domestic and abroad. Their job is not to protect the government alone. If our military deemed our politicians to be a threat to us then that is who their guns will be pointed at. Soldiers know this and we can trust them to fight for which ever side is right. But I seriously doubt it will come to that.

I'm not nearly as optimistic as you.



This sentiment is more prevalent than you think.

War could be declared on any group of people.

quote Originally posted by NoMoreRicers: I'm not nearly as optimistic as you. This sentiment is more prevalent than you think. War could be declared on any group of people.

Someday they are going to order you to go to war against me and your neighbors.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Someday they are going to order you to go to war against me and your neighbors.

I think you might have misunderstood my post. That picture is not me and I am not in the military. That was a picture of some random infantryman posted online.

quote Originally posted by NoMoreRicers: I think you might have misunderstood my post. That picture is not me and I am not in the military. That was a picture of some random infantryman posted online.

I did misunderstand but it still is the way it is..
Urbes constituit aetas, hora dissolvit

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: Easy, if the majority of us stopped paying taxes it would knock um down a few pegs.

Great! Um, how do you suggest we go about doing that? I mean, it's not like I can just walk into my employer and tell him "Please don't take taxes out of my check this week". Sure I could fill out a new W-4 and have them stop withholding income tax, but that won't stop them from withholding other taxes. It's not like I can walk into a store and tell them to skip the sales tax or go pump some gas and tell them to drop the taxes off the price. I could refuse to send in my property taxes, but then the IRS will seize my home. I think a better way would be to do a "work out" and a "school out" kinda like a "gas out". If you could get a large enough segment of the population to essentially "go on strike" for awhile and keep their kids out of school, you would deal a serious financial blow to the local, state and federal government. Of course you also risk losing your job and you suffer lost wages, so you'd probably be hard pressed to get enough people to go along with you.

quote Originally posted by fastblack: To the OP's question, me and a friend were discussing this last night actually and if "the people" of America wanted to take it back and took on the military, it would be a total massacre. No way the general public would have the fire power to take on the military.

However, what happened when the USSR fell? What happened when the government ordered it's soldiers to attack the populace? On top of that there are roughly 1,423,000 active soldiers in the military. About 2,500,000 if you include Reserves. How many of those are stationed or deployed outside the US? The US has a population of roughly 312,000,000. So over 100 citizens to 1 soldier. Of those soldiers how many are support role? Granted the military has weapons that would easily balance those odds, but how much infrastructure damage will come about from their use? Do you think the government would actually level a city like San Fransisco when they won't even turn the Middle East into a glass parking lot? If the civil uprising is large enough the government will fold, just like in the USSR. The problem is getting it to be large enough.

quote Originally posted by RilesOfSmiles: Although my opinion isn't always the most popular one I'll give it anyway. I really don't think things are THAT bad. I mean I know people are struggling right now trying to make ends meet but when I take a step back and look at the life of an average American I realize we really do have things going pretty well for the most part. People don't die of starvation anymore, we have easy access to amazing technology, most of us own a car, we have the internet, and there is always some new amazing discovery or advancement just around every corner! Its an exciting time to be alive! We may not be the 1% of America but we are the 1% of the world. Our idea of "corruption" is nothing compared to what the rest of the world has to deal with and even when I'm struggling with finances there is no country on Earth I would rather live in. Look at the genocides that still happen in many countries today. We are so blessed that we don't have to live through that. We don't go to bed every night wondering if we will be killed the next day by some warlord's thugs. We have freedom here to do what we want which is something a lot of us really take for granted. And while some people have financial and class advantages that we don't we have a drive and willpower. Those are things that can't be bought. This isn't the first time I have heard this whole "take America back" idea. I work in a deli in a grocery store and my coworkers say stuff like that all the time. No amount of money alone can ever make a person content. Contentment is an attitude and it is entirely up to you if you want to be happy. I've met rich people who live empty and sad lives and homeless people who live happy ones. America should not be taken back by force and while we could do it, it is not the right thing to do. If you want change then make change. Get on youtube and start making videos or work to better your community. One day you may even gain enough notoriety to run for office and then you can make a difference. America will not be taken back by hatred. It can only be restored by love. I'll be honest it would be very difficult but if we each individually become the change we want it can be done. Now go out and do it!

This wasn't what I was getting at, I should've made it clear when I wrote the first post that I meant without the use of force. I don't know about you but I don't give a damn about the rest of the world (I really do, but for the sake of this post)- this is America. Our freedoms today aren't jack sh*t compared to what they were 2+ decades ago. This country has turned into a joke on the international level, the state of our country is becoming more miserable by the day. You missed the point, this isn't about money. This isn't about the 99% and 1%ers, this is about taking back our freedom and "cleaning house" literally in Washington. IMO 90% of all current politicians need to be fired and a large number possibly even exiled to Siberia or the like lol. We are losing what this country has stood for every day. They give us a smokescreen and throw in some stupid issues to dazzle the crowds with while they plug away with their garbage legislation to further imprison us.

IMO this country needs to have the reset button hit. Some kind of sh*t needs to hit the fan so that we can start over and learn from our mistakes. I think we've reached a point of no return in too many aspects of our existence to fix things now.

The only way to do it, the way that we have available to us the citizens anyway are clear,

I know most posting with the exception of a couple are younger and won't remember the 60s but those who do, what did we do then?

protest, civil disobedience, VOTE.

But that was a different America then, different than today in the way people thought, reacted.

those are our only legal options and even those are slipping away little by little every day someone gets arrested and then charged with something later. if we don't have a law to stop us from doing something, they, (The government) will make one up as we go along.

just my 2 cents and remember, Big Brother is Watching Us here.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by nitroheadz28: Could we "take back" our country from our scheming and thieving politicians?

Yes we can (to borrow a phrase from Nobama). It was taken from us by one small step at a time, so as most would not notice. So the young'uns like RilesOfSmiles would not even know of how much better it was. It would have to be done in steps. I had some ideas in my For A Better America thread. No matter what we might do, we have to realize there will be push back. We need to anticipate what it would be and have a strategy to counter act it. We have to realize that it will take time and not give up if we do not get instant gratification. Just as our soldiers have to sacrifice their everyday life to win, so will we. We can not half azz/attempt a winning effort.
At first, we would need to get the ball rolling so the first steps should be to do things which will elicit the least resistance. The ideas in my thread I think appeal to both the dumbocrats and repulsivecans, perhaps an easy sell. Once the ball is rolling (not my ideas, any ideas) one would need to sell it, make it appealing, to get more supporters/participants. We would need advertising, to educate those who are watching Dancing With The Stars, et al. The major news outlets would be good but they are controlled by the machine.

quote Originally posted by nitroheadz28: If so, what would be the most effective way(s) to achieve the fastest results?

pontiackid86 is on the right track. Taking away the money would be the fastest. Not paying one's taxes will only give them more power over us. Instead, we can not earn any money, go on strike if you will, depriving them legally of money. Money talks. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. I wonder if "we the people" formed a union would union protecting laws allow us to act out without repercussions. Act out using union tactics. Like going on strike to force the other side into capitulation. Think about this scenario. The Nobama war on fossil fuels ? All the coal powered electrical generating stations ? Band together and shut down. Perhaps one day a week, maybe one day a month. Unions want to shut down businesses, we could shut down cities (bye bye much tax revenue). Hello news coverage, we need to be heard !
There are other things I can think of.
We need to dismantle political parties

Where would we be taking America back to?

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Where would we be taking America back to?

To the land of the free.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: To the land of the free.

home of the brave? (sing along?)

So, when would this have been in our history as a country?

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: So, when would this have been in our history as a country?

I am too young to know the exact date. Before "regulation nation" ? Before the states lost their powers of separation ? Before the tax armageddon started ? Before when Washington DC became an emerald city ? Before legislation from the bench/court ?
Things are fracked up here.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I am too young to know the exact date. Before "regulation nation" ? Before the states lost their powers of separation ? Before the tax armageddon started ? Before when Washington DC became an emerald city ? Before legislation from the bench/court ? Things are fracked up here.

So.... before the country was founded, but after the revolution? (I am serious, because we were never really "free".... we have always lived by laws). But for the sake of argument, it seems you are saying that "take back" means smaller government, correct?

I don't think we can ever go back, while keeping the economy moving forward.... I would love it if states were more powerful, but with more power would come more unique regulations, causing more difficulty for businesses and movement of goods and services, etc.

Only with the proper timing...

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quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Where would we be taking America back to?

How about to a time when we were allowed to fail ? To a time when we didn't need, expect, nor want a nanny government ? I think failing makes one stronger. Any success I have achieved came from one failure at a time.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: So.... before the country was founded, but after the revolution? (I am serious, because we were never really "free".... we have always lived by laws). But for the sake of argument, it seems you are saying that "take back" means smaller government, correct?[quote] Define smaller. (I am being serious too. I realize that with a larger population more people in government are needed but not a more intrusive government). I believe in laws. However, laws are bought too. I think they should have expiration dates. Regulations too. If they were good enough to pass then, they still will be after the new people they affect concur. [QUOTE]Originally posted by jaskispyder: I don't think we can ever go back, while keeping the economy moving forward....

I can't agree.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: I would love it if states were more powerful, but with more power would come more unique regulations, causing more difficulty for businesses and movement of goods and services, etc.

I can't agree here either.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I can't agree here either.

So, when you have to show your papers to cross state lines, or when a car company has to make 40 different models of cars for 40 different states, or if a state puts an import tax on products from another state, you don't think that would impede business? Businesses use federal highways and, in my local case, federal shipping locks to move commerce. So, take those away.... now you have increases in the costs for products. These are just a few of the things that help keep our economy going and businesses need the feds to help them succeed.

Smaller government is good, but we did not get the current government overnight. This is decades in the making.... It is a tangled web and there is no simple solution to just "take it back"... as both businesses and individuals rely on both the state and federal government to help keep things moving forward.

As for failure leading to success. Of course it can, and it can also lead to continual failure. We have all benefited from one government program or another. That is what makes this country great. You can fail and still come out on top and the reason is because you are not doing it alone, even if you want to believe you are.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: To the land of the free.

So, somewhere around 1965?

1865?

500 BC?



Before Negros could vote?
Before women could vote?

How far back works for you?

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There is nothing to take back. The majority want things the way they are or maybe with more government involvement like Europe. The people have spoken loud and clear in elections for many years.

We who disagree are just along for the ride. Onward toward paradise on earth!

First...you have to define 'WE' in we the people. To me the only way your going to return America to what it was for the working class is to vote out everyone of the scumbags running things now.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: How far back works for you?

What year were you born?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: What year were you born?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: What year were you born?

Yesterday?
If we could go back couple of years before folks like him were brainwashed into believing that anyone who doesn't think just like him must be anti-women and a wants to put blacks back in chains, then changing the country might be possible.
But that is pretty much an impossibility, so we are screwed as a nation.

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quote Originally posted by partfiero: Yesterday? If we could go back couple of years before folks like him were brainwashed into believing that anyone who doesn't think just like him must be anti-women and a wants to put blacks back in chains, then changing the country might be possible. But that is pretty much an impossibility, so we are screwed as a nation.

Nothing is impossible!! Do you think during the great depression people looked around and decided there was no point in trying anymore? That they should just give up! No they did not! They got up and took what little they had and went out and rebuilt a nation. A nation that for the next 3 decades was the greatest in the world. I think of the world right now like a broken glass globe. People keep trying to take the shattered pieces and put them back the way they were before but it will never be quite right. So what do you do? You take those shards of broken glass and turn them into something new! Maybe even better than before. This country needs a restored sense of hope and that is something nobody else can give you. If you want to change the world then pull up your bootstraps and do it!