9mm is big enough to usually stop someone, but small enough to carry enough rounds in a smaller package. My current CC is a Ruger 380. I use plastic tip hollow points myself. My .38 was too big and bulky and only held 5 rounds. What I want is the smallest package that fires adequate number and caliber of bullets. Placed side by side 9mm and 380 bullets are pretty much the same, .38 isnt that much bigger.
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9mm is big enough to usually stop someone, but small enough to carry enough rounds in a smaller package. My current CC is a Ruger 380. I use plastic tip hollow points myself. My .38 was too big and bulky and only held 5 rounds. What I want is the smallest package that fires adequate number and caliber of bullets. Placed side by side 9mm and 380 bullets are pretty much the same, .38 isnt that much bigger.
9mm has bit more power behind it than a 380, but power isn't important if you leave it at home because it was too bulky for you.
l never like the .45 very inacurate ,unless you have one of the custom models I have used the 9mm browning in many combat situations I was well satisfied,only the hits counted on a stairway one day!! the average every day common 9mm pistol provides the hits double tap them.there possessions are now yours !! when a criminal feels he has nothing to lose ,you are a cornered rat !! in home always warn an intruder first, that you are armed & qualified because of political correctness never shoot unless absolutely required shooting a home intruder can find your own self in jail personally i might shoot first,but I will bury my kill & keep quiet ! 911 & hope they are quick!
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Posts: 25719 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Israeli intelligence agents use a .22 for assasinations they often use half loads for silence, they hit center mass or in the heart,3 to the throat !! the most famous israeli .22 assasination case was a mistaken ID of a moslem terr in sweden back in the late 70s .uh,oh some times they want the hater victim to suffer because he has hurt many !! there is nothing like the boom of a .45 to draw every snoop for a 1/4 mile,
I am a very small person.. 5'6 and I have no issues concealing my S&W SC Series E 1911 .45. As for Accuracy, at 20 yards I can put 7 rounds in a 1 inch square. I usually have my 6 round clip in the gun when I carry. I don't figure I need any more than that.
One shot to the head or chest, should be sufficient.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
My .45s bounce too much to get me to practice any more than to be competent, I really want to have one ported. My 9mm, I can fire like a full auto hitting new targets as needed, I can practice all day with it if needed.
I am a very small person.. 5'6 and I have no issues concealing my S&W SC Series E 1911 .45. As for Accuracy, at 20 yards I can put 7 rounds in a 1 inch square. I usually have my 6 round clip in the gun when I carry. I don't figure I need any more than that.
One shot to the head or chest, should be sufficient.
Just for comparison next time your at the range do 50 jumping jacks then 5 push ups before you shoot. In fact shot a clip first then do the exercises and shoot a second clip. Its harder to hit your target when your blood pressure is up, your heart rate is 100+ and your arms are tired.
For home protection 00 is the best
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l never like the .45 very inacurate ,unless you have one of the custom models I have used the 9mm browning in many combat situations I was well satisfied,only the hits counted on a stairway one day!! the average every day common 9mm pistol provides the hits double tap them.there possessions are now yours !! when a criminal feels he has nothing to lose ,you are a cornered rat !! in home always warn an intruder first, that you are armed & qualified because of political correctness never shoot unless absolutely required shooting a home intruder can find your own self in jail personally i might shoot first,but I will bury my kill & keep quiet ! 911 & hope they are quick!
I always thought 1911s were accurate. I never fired one.
In my home, I would never warn anyone. If theyre inside, theyre getting shot at...period. I may yell something if its outside on my property. Ive shot at them before and never even sat in the police cruiser. The worse that happened when I unloaded a clip on someone outside was they held my gun for a while to make sure someone didnt turn up dead somewhere. I got it back. My life is worth more to me than being PC. Stealing or doing something else to me makes them worth less than dirt as far as im concerned.
Just for comparison next time your at the range do 50 jumping jacks then 5 push ups before you shoot. In fact shot a clip first then do the exercises and shoot a second clip. Its harder to hit your target when your blood pressure is up, your heart rate is 100+ and your arms are tired.
For home protection 00 is the best
Oh I know you are right, but even during speed trials at 50 yards, I can hit a man sized target with ease. I have been thru a couple of different Tactical handgun training courses, where you are taught how to cope with firing while retreating, firing from cover, reloading while being fired upon... etc etc etc. I may not put them all center mass... But I will still hit my target much more often than not.
If a person practices with any gun they plan to carry.. They can become proficient at hitting their target. I am not saying, it wouldn't be nice to have 30 rounds of ammo available... I am saying with my 6-7 I should be fine in 99% of actual world situations.
Opps this was meant to be an edit to my previous post... Oh well.
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I always thought 1911s were accurate. I never fired one.
The ones I have shot are very accurate.... But then any gun is only as accurate as the person firing it. You have to practice with all of them. No gun is going to make you a sharpshooter. That is up to you.
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Posts: 33270 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
I am a very small person.. 5'6 and I have no issues concealing my S&W SC Series E 1911 .45. As for Accuracy, at 20 yards I can put 7 rounds in a 1 inch square. I usually have my 6 round clip in the gun when I carry. I don't figure I need any more than that.
One shot to the head or chest, should be sufficient.
That's some pretty fine shooting skills. I'd be interested to see you demonstrate that. While I don't pretend to be a competition shooter, if you're that good, you might want to consider giving it a shot. (pun intended) I am close friends with a couple of Comp Shooters, both agree that is some fine shooting skill.
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The ones I have shot are very accurate.... But then any gun is only as accurate as the person firing it. You have to practice with all of them. No gun is going to make you a sharpshooter. That is up to you.
True to a great extent based on my experience. I don't pretend to be the most knowledgable person out there though. Practice develops confidence and skill. The .45 is my least favorite semi-auto. Though I admit that the vast majority of my experience is with military 45s. I fire my son's Glock frequently and to me it's cumberson, I prefer a smaller/lighter weapon. BTW, I'm over 6' and not exactly a little guy. Accuracy is all about self-control, experience and practiced skills. I personally like the 9 mil but agree with the above post that 00 buckshot is the best home defense weapon. Of course, much depends on the situation and the intent of the defenders and the intruders. In some cases, it's best to evacuate and just leave the pressure cooker on high while the bad guys do their thing.
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Originally posted by blackrams: That's some pretty fine shooting skills. I'd be interested to see you demonstrate that. While I don't pretend to be a competition shooter, if you're that good, you might want to consider giving it a shot. (pun intended) I am close friends with a couple of Comp Shooters, both agree that is some fine shooting skill.
Thank you, and I have been considering it. Once I get a few of my other projects/hobbies out of the way, I plan to join in some amateur shooting comps around the area. I will not say I can do that EVERY time.. That is a good day, but it is repeatable and my Instructor has been very impressed But I have been shooting my entire life too. It is only in the last couple of years though, that I have gotten serious and spent the time needed to REALLY practice. I am at the range every week and I go thru hundreds of rounds a month. A buddy of mine has been reloading for me, but I am working on a reloading setup for myself, to save more money on ammo in the end.
Oh I know you are right, but even during speed trials at 50 yards, I can hit a man sized target with ease. I have been thru a couple of different Tactical handgun training courses, where you are taught how to cope with firing while retreating, firing from cover, reloading while being fired upon... etc etc etc. I may not put them all center mass... But I will still hit my target much more often than not.
If a person practices with any gun they plan to carry.. They can become proficient at hitting their target. I am not saying, it wouldn't be nice to have 30 rounds of ammo available... I am saying with my 6-7 I should be fine in 99% of actual world situations.
But if you start doing the jumping jacks and pushups every time you will only get better Then talk the range into a strobe light Blue
But if you start doing the jumping jacks and pushups every time you will only get better Then talk the range into a strobe light Blue
This is very true
Last summer I got a bit of experience, with skunks. Our driveway is rather long and dark, coming in at night, several times, I would spot a skunk or three... Jump out and run into range and take down as many as I could with my carry piece... My neighbor loves it! We have a LOT Less skunks now.
I should remind everyone I live in the country.. not in a dense city situation.. And NEVER fire in a direction where a missed shot would hit anything but dirt.
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Posts: 9116 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
just curious, anyone here ever been shot with a 9?
how about a 38?
or even a 22?
No matter what the caliber it will definitely get your attention, and make you think twice about doing anything else.
Steve
I agree, unless they are so whacked out of their head on drugs they don't feel it. That is when the bigger calibers come in handy, as when you have broen bones and torn muscles it doesn't matter what you feel..
Larger diameter means ( % of mass ) better chance of hitting something vital for an instant incapacitation. Otherwise it is all about penetration power.
just curious, anyone here ever been shot with a 9?
how about a 38?
or even a 22?
No matter what the caliber it will definitely get your attention, and make you think twice about doing anything else.
Steve
Not personally but a friend I served with in the Navy was shot in the shoulder with a 22 and ran the guy down and took it away from him. Then pistol whipped him with it. When the cops got there he was sitting on top of the guy holding his shoulder. He wasn't a really large guy, in shape but not someone that you would expect to do that. Just said it shocked him and he reacted. Thats when I stopped trusting small rounds for anything except rodents.
Not personally but a friend I served with in the Navy was shot in the shoulder with a 22 and ran the guy down and took it away from him. Then pistol whipped him with it. When the cops got there he was sitting on top of the guy holding his shoulder. He wasn't a really large guy, in shape but not someone that you would expect to do that. Just said it shocked him and he reacted. Thats when I stopped trusting small rounds for anything except rodents.
The smaller the round the more important placement becomes.
l never like the .45 very inacurate ,unless you have one of the custom models I have used the 9mm browning in many combat situations I was well satisfied,only the hits counted on a stairway one day!! the average every day common 9mm pistol provides the hits double tap them.there possessions are now yours !! when a criminal feels he has nothing to lose ,you are a cornered rat !! in home always warn an intruder first, that you are armed & qualified because of political correctness never shoot unless absolutely required shooting a home intruder can find your own self in jail personally i might shoot first,but I will bury my kill & keep quiet ! 911 & hope they are quick!
inaccurate? lol someone needs to learn the basics.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I hate to reference this but the 9mm without the proper ammunition is just worthless. When the shooting took place at my job, multiple people were shot at close range, including a elderly women at close range three times in the chest. She lived. The ammo, I am sure, was FMJ target ammunition and though they were knocked to the ground, those 9's dont have the power you think. They tend to just push through the target. I like the 9's because they have lots of bullets.
I hate to reference this but the 9mm without the proper ammunition is just worthless. When the shooting took place at my job, multiple people were shot at close range, including a elderly women at close range three times in the chest. She lived. The ammo, I am sure, was FMJ target ammunition and though they were knocked to the ground, those 9's dont have the power you think. They tend to just push through the target. I like the 9's because they have lots of bullets.
No gun or bullet has the "power" people seem to think they have. Nobody is knocked to the ground by a bullet.
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Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
No gun or bullet has the "power" people seem to think they have. Nobody is knocked to the ground by a bullet.
But....but, I've seen with my own eyes a guy get blown out a saloon window about 20 feet or more before he hit the ground. The shooter was using a shot gun, although it did not seem to have any recoil, hummm. Can't remember which movie it was either .
Kevin
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Shot placement is crucial, meaning even a 22 can kill a man. Otherwise some calibers just do better, the 9mm is okay. I've shot a deer with the 30-30, took a while but he finally fell over.
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Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
Shot placement is crucial, meaning even a 22 can kill a man. Otherwise some calibers just do better, the 9mm is okay. I've shot a deer with the 30-30, took a while but he finally fell over.
.22's have killed many people, so i would say they are very effective in doing so.
But I have been shooting my entire life too. It is only in the last couple of years though, that I have gotten serious and spent the time needed to REALLY practice. I am at the range every week and I go thru hundreds of rounds a month. A buddy of mine has been reloading for me, but I am working on a reloading setup for myself, to save more money on ammo in the end.
Blue 
Can't remember which movie it was either . 
