Have someone take care of your pets after the Rapture for just $10 registration fee! Man, why didn't I think of this? That's an awesome business model, almost as good as TV preacher!
"As the Apostle Paul describes in Thessalonians, at some point in the future Jesus will come in the air, catch up the Church from the earth, and then return to heaven with the Church. This is known as the Rapture and it will be glorious. But what of our pets? Who will take care of our pets when we’re gone?" " - http://www.aftertherapturepetcare.com/
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Not to start a religious war, but that is another reason i cant believe what traditional religion says. I cant believe that a 'benevolent god' would ignore animals, especially pets.
Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode of the guy who drowned with his dog, and the gatekeeper of hell tried to trick him and get him to go in, without his dog. "what sort of heaven is that if i cant be with my dog". I agree. An eternity without my pets would be hell.
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Not to start a religious war, but that is another reason i cant believe what traditional religion says. I cant believe that a 'benevolent god' would ignore animals, especially pets.
Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode of the guy who drowned with his dog, and the gatekeeper of hell tried to trick him and get him to go in, without his dog. "what sort of heaven is that if i cant be with my dog". I agree. An eternity without my pets would be hell.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]
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Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
the big mistake of thinking 'you then' will be 'you now' when you arrive in heaven
and - lol - rapture. bwahahaha their imaginary "told 'dja so" moment that will never arrive tho, I do wonder why their favorite sport is punishment? seems there is nothing a "rapture fan" loves more than punishing probably has to do with the indoctrination process of their youth
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In the Christian faith do they believe that once one dies they go to heaven, or is there a waiting period where you are just "sleeping" until Judgement day? I seem to remember reading both.
I've wondered if anything productive happens in heaven. Are there off days? Can you hang with family and friends or do you have to stay with god all of the time? Does anyone get bored? Maybe it's like floating in a sensory deprivation tank of love forever.
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]
“Question: "Why does God allow evil?"
Answer: The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25). These attributes tell us the following about God: (1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil? If God has the power to prevent evil and desires to prevent evil, why does He still allow evil? Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:
God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.
God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time. God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident. God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners. God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family. God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores. God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. And, yes, God would stop terrorists from flying airplanes into buildings.
While this solution sounds attractive, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do. We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions. Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships? Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?
3) Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts. The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left”
Like darkness is the absence of light, “ evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil.
At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. “
Your quote speaks of evil, but what is tha absence of God in God’s eyes based on what the Bible says? “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” -(Romans 3:23). “Sin is not just big things like murder but also includes lying, lusting, and stealing. Even the love of money or hatred of enemies is sin, according to the Bible. Good works cannot make up for wrongs”
“A judge who pardons law-breakers isn’t a righteous judge. Likewise, overlooking sin would make the holy God unjust.”
Will it be dealt with? What would happen to us all if we got justice? Good thing there is an alternative.
“God Himself provided the only sacrifice (Jesus) who could atone for the sins of His people. God’s perfect Son fulfilled God’s perfect requirement of God’s perfect law.”
“John 3:16-17 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
My ex can go to heaven. I'll stay behind and look after Frankie.
QFT!
As has been said earlier in the thread in other ways, my pets are my life, if I cannot be with them in the afterlife than I may as well be in Hell, any God that would make a person suffer like that is not a God I want to follow.
Direct reference to the post i was commenting on, that the pet went to heaven. There is no such place for the pet to go to. The pet is gone. We wont see them again and we will miss them.
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Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
Unless you turn into a zombie and come back to life.
No, No, NO...Zombies are mindless...I am coming back as the evil vampire demon who went to hell, married satans daughter (after a favorable period of pre-marital sex) and am back to life to make Mephisto run in fear, drink booze, date strippers, fly planes, ride wild horses, eat dead animals, smoke cigarettes and cigars, and generally raise mayhem just for the fun of it.....
OH, yeh......nevermind.
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Direct reference to the post i was commenting on, that the pet went to heaven. There is no such place for the pet to go to. The pet is gone. We wont see them again and we will miss them.
Oh, I wasn't directly mocking you. It was more of jest comment of how we often soft pedal to our kids. But yes, it's a lie. I agree. But I think we are even now.
Unfortunately, what is commonly taught is wrong... a lot of Evangelicals are caught up on a rapture before the tribulation, but the rapture really won't be until towards the end... it'll happen at the last trumpet, which I suspect is the 7th trumpet in Revelation... and all the rapture is meant to do is basically gather all Christians together, we get glorified bodies and immediately come back as an invading army.... we're literally going to help Christ put an end to the massive war at the end, when the middle eastern countries come against Israel... there's prophecies in the book of Joel that make it sound like we as Christians will be fighting on the ground in Israel, but with glorified bodies... we won't be harmed when they try to hurt/damage us... we'll basically be like angels and have angelic abilities, if that makes sense (see Joel chapter 2 in the Old Testament)...
As for taking care of pets after we're raptured... it probably won't matter at that time... based on Biblical prophecy, Billions are going die and there is likely to be a massive nuclear / chemical war... not to mention the asteroid that hits earth and wipes out a 1/3 of humanity and kills a third of the ocean....
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38489 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
...all the rapture is meant to do is basically gather all Christians together, we get glorified bodies and immediately come back as an invading army.... as Christians will be fighting on the ground in Israel, but with glorified bodies...
As for taking care of pets after we're raptured... it probably won't matter at that time... based on Biblical prophecy, Billions are going die and there is likely to be a massive nuclear / chemical war... not to mention the asteroid that hits earth and wipes out a 1/3 of humanity and kills a third of the ocean....
You can do the ground and pound with your "glorified body" in the Middle East. I'd much prefer to be here hiking through the woods with the hound.
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and all the rapture is meant to do is basically gather all Christians together, we get glorified bodies and immediately come back as an invading army.... we're literally going to help Christ put an end to the massive war at the end, when the middle eastern countries come against Israel...
Unfortunately, what is commonly taught is wrong... a lot of Evangelicals are caught up on a rapture before the tribulation, but the rapture really won't be until towards the end... it'll happen at the last trumpet, which I suspect is the 7th trumpet in Revelation... and all the rapture is meant to do is basically gather all Christians together, we get glorified bodies and immediately come back as an invading army.... we're literally going to help Christ put an end to the massive war at the end, when the middle eastern countries come against Israel... there's prophecies in the book of Joel that make it sound like we as Christians will be fighting on the ground in Israel, but with glorified bodies... we won't be harmed when they try to hurt/damage us... we'll basically be like angels and have angelic abilities, if that makes sense (see Joel chapter 2 in the Old Testament)...
As for taking care of pets after we're raptured... it probably won't matter at that time... based on Biblical prophecy, Billions are going die and there is likely to be a massive nuclear / chemical war... not to mention the asteroid that hits earth and wipes out a 1/3 of humanity and kills a third of the ocean....
How are stories like this 1. Not intended to cause mass hysteria. 2. Not make everyone consider you bat **** crazy.
People get institutionalized for saying much less unsettling things.
I do always enjoy your cult recruitment post though. You only ever reach people that agree with you, the rest of us just skip over the bulk of what you say.
Unfortunately, what is commonly taught is wrong... a lot of Evangelicals are caught up on a rapture before the tribulation, but the rapture really won't be until towards the end... it'll happen at the last trumpet, which I suspect is the 7th trumpet in Revelation... and all the rapture is meant to do is basically gather all Christians together, we get glorified bodies and immediately come back as an invading army.... we're literally going to help Christ put an end to the massive war at the end, when the middle eastern countries come against Israel... there's prophecies in the book of Joel that make it sound like we as Christians will be fighting on the ground in Israel, but with glorified bodies... we won't be harmed when they try to hurt/damage us... we'll basically be like angels and have angelic abilities, if that makes sense (see Joel chapter 2 in the Old Testament)...
As for taking care of pets after we're raptured... it probably won't matter at that time... based on Biblical prophecy, Billions are going die and there is likely to be a massive nuclear / chemical war... not to mention the asteroid that hits earth and wipes out a 1/3 of humanity and kills a third of the ocean....
Your god is supposed to be all knowing and powerful.. What the hell does he need an army for? Couldent he just snap his divine fingers and make all the evil non christians just dissapear? Instead hes going to make his "followers" kill and murder others in his name? Wow thats the most lazy diety iv ever heard of.. Wont even solve his own issues.. lol.
And which is it? Is god going to kill everyone? Or should i say, are you and your fellow christians going to kill everyone? Or are we going to do it ourselves with nukes? Or will it be the asteroid?
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Your god is supposed to be all knowing and powerful.. What the hell does he need an army for? Couldent he just snap his divine fingers and make all the evil non christians just dissapear? Instead hes going to make his "followers" kill and murder others in his name? Wow thats the most lazy diety iv ever heard of.. Wont even solve his own issues.. lol.
And which is it? Is god going to kill everyone? Or should i say, are you and your fellow christians going to kill everyone? Or are we going to do it ourselves with nukes? Or will it be the asteroid?
God can do whatever He wants... and even use a glorified army to do what He wants.
As for the idea of the glorified army coming back and fighting, I just heard about it within the last 2 months, so I'm still trying to understand it myself, but it seems to be a legitimate interpretation based on Joel chapter 2.
As for us killing people... if its under divine mandate and if its come to the point of no return for those people in God's sight, then yes, it would be legitimate... God did the same thing in the Old Testament with the Israelites.... He used them to kill out peoples that had reached their limit in sin.
As for whether or not the earth will be wiped out... biblical prophecy shows that an asteroid hits earth
Rev 8:7 The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up. Rev 8:8 The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. Rev 8:9 A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. Rev 8:10 The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. Rev 8:11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter. Rev 8:12 The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light might be darkened, and a third of the day might be kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night.
What could be an interesting possible interpretation for the first trumpet is that its either nuclear war, or a plethora of meteorites/asteroids hitting the earth and wiping out a huge chunk of it....
The second trumpet seems to be an asteroid. The third trumpet seems to be another asteroid/meteorite that poisons a lot of the fresh water, while the fourth would probably happen because of the onslaught of meteorites/asteroids hitting the earth, will darken the atmosphere, or perhaps all of these trumpets should be taken as a nuclear war.
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Marvin McInnis Member
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As for us killing people... if its under divine mandate and if its come to the point of no return for those people in God's sight, then yes, it would be legitimate... God did the same thing in the Old Testament with the Israelites.... He used them to kill out peoples that had reached their limit in sin.
You just neatly described the concept of "Jihad," didn't you?
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... a third of the sea became blood. ... A third of the waters became wormwood ...
Neat tricks.
I am constantly amazed how such theology flip-flops back and forth, solely on human whim, between literal interpretation and metaphorical interpretation. Literally interpreted, Revelations says nothing about "nuclear war" or "an asteroid."
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Your god is supposed to be all knowing and powerful.. What the hell does he need an army for? Couldent he just snap his divine fingers and make all the evil non christians just dissapear? Instead hes going to make his "followers" kill and murder others in his name? Wow thats the most lazy diety iv ever heard of.. Wont even solve his own issues.. lol.
And which is it? Is god going to kill everyone? Or should i say, are you and your fellow christians going to kill everyone? Or are we going to do it ourselves with nukes? Or will it be the asteroid?
If you take it as a literary work, and not the truth, you still need to read it as a literary work to answer your questions. So the answer from the literary work, and not from religious beliefs, is:
god is in part using an army of followers. Why did you make the assumption that he therefore needs an army? He doesn't need an army since he is all powerful. Then why use one? I'll give you an example. I have children. I had the power to just do everything in my home myself. I didn't need them to do anything involved in keeping the house. But I did anyway. It is more rewarding to do things with your children, and it is good for them.
Next error in your assumptions. You said make followers "kill and murder". They aren't the same thing. In the literary work, if you are god you have control and authority, and what you say goes. God can have them kill, but according to the literary work, that isn't murder. Big difference.
"Won't even solve his own issues." Well, now you are obviously just being sneering. At least the others had some semblance of a question. None there.
"is god going to kill everyone". According to the literary work, not directly. There are going to be multiple plagues that kills over half the population, I think. I could calculate the exact percentage, but I'm not going to take the time to go back and read it.
After that period of time, yes, then god is going to come with an army of his followers and kill the rest. to ls3mach:
the story has been out for several thousand years in multiple countries in the world and hasn't caused mass hysteria. How many more thousands of years do you need it to not cause mass hysteria to be convinced that your question was without merit?
regarding his being considered crazy, or being institutionalized, what people in life do is they don't look at this in isolation. They look at the totality of someone's behavior. Are they nice? Respectful? Helpful to you? Good neighbors? Good co-workers? Etc. etc. And then instead of insulting declaring them "bat **** crazy" and worthy of institutionalization, they go, "hmm. Well. That's interesting." Maybe throw in an eye roll. And then live and let live.
As an example, I don't think at all what mormon's believe is the truth. But they treat me and others well, and seem like good neighbors and co-workers, so, so what.
There are some atheists, and humanists, and wiccans. I don't believe many of the things they believe is the truth, either. But so what? As long as they are nice people to be around, whatever.
In the Christian faith do they believe that once one dies they go to heaven, or is there a waiting period where you are just "sleeping" until Judgement day? I seem to remember reading both.
The Seventh Day adventists are the major proponent of soul sleep... but between the parable in Luke 16 that talks about the rich man and lazarus and the statements that Paul and Peter made in their books, it isn't true... we'll be in the presence of the Lord.
Originally posted by frontal lobe: After that period of time, yes, then god is going to come with an army of his followers and kill the rest. to ls3mach:
the story has been out for several thousand years in multiple countries in the world and hasn't caused mass hysteria. How many more thousands of years do you need it to not cause mass hysteria to be convinced that your question was without merit?
regarding his being considered crazy, or being institutionalized, what people in life do is they don't look at this in isolation. They look at the totality of someone's behavior. Are they nice? Respectful? Helpful to you? Good neighbors? Good co-workers? Etc. etc. And then instead of insulting declaring them "bat **** crazy" and worthy of institutionalization, they go, "hmm. Well. That's interesting." Maybe throw in an eye roll. And then live and let live.
As an example, I don't think at all what mormon's believe is the truth. But they treat me and others well, and seem like good neighbors and co-workers, so, so what.
There are some atheists, and humanists, and wiccans. I don't believe many of the things they believe is the truth, either. But so what? As long as they are nice people to be around, whatever.
MANY MANY times has religion caused war, pandemonium and mass hysteria throughout history. Let me also interject Christianity is not the only religion that retells of the events that have happened in the bible, specifically old testament. It isn't even the oldest one to account similar stories. That people believe them as anything other than historical and possibly some unexplained (at the time of occurrence) is silly to me. I didn't say he was bat **** crazy. I wonder how people can say such things and not be deemed "insane" is absurd to me. Also, being crazy doesn't make you a bad person. I dated a girl that had to be hospitalized for mental issues. She was a great woman, just went off the reservation. Some people cope differently and I realize that religion is a coping mechanism.
The Seventh Day adventists are the major proponent of soul sleep... but between the parable in Luke 16 that talks about the rich man and lazarus and the statements that Paul and Peter made in their books, it isn't true... we'll be in the presence of the Lord.
Isn't true to you, you mean.
But thanks for the answer, I did wonder if there were both beliefs in different denominations.
