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what is a short barrel rifle ? a few ?s by fierobrian
Started on: 02-19-2013 06:53 PM
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Report this Post02-19-2013 06:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobrianSend a Private Message to fierobrianDirect Link to This Post
here is what i thought Short-barreled rifle (SBR) is a legal designation in the United States, referring to a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm with a barrel length of less than 16 inches (40.6 cm) or overall length of less than 26 inches

now the fun part i got a rossi circuitt judge in 44 mag the lower stock is cracking it is still 16 weeks old rossi wants me to take the lower stock off and send it to them and wait till they get them in maybe 8 weeks or longer . if i take the lower stock off it is 23 inches overall length . is this a short barrel rifle ? i say yes rossi says no as long as the barrel is longer than 16 inches it is not a shortbarrel rifle
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can you remove more items so it is not complete, but actually "parts"?

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http://www.atf.gov/firearms...html#part-registered

Your answer is in the first response on this page.

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Report this Post02-19-2013 07:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PhilSend a Private Message to PhilDirect Link to This Post
If you take the lower rear stock off - it's now a long barreled pistol
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Report this Post02-19-2013 08:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zetabirdSend a Private Message to zetabirdDirect Link to This Post
i believe the serial number still has it marked as a rifle it would just be an incomplete rifle untill the stock is put back on
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Report this Post02-19-2013 08:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for User00013170Send a Private Message to User00013170Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by zetabird:

i believe the serial number still has it marked as a rifle it would just be an incomplete rifle untill the stock is put back on


I agree with that. Its all about what the weapon was at time of manufacture. Removing/adding components doesn't change what it 'is'. ( tho it may make it illegal depending on the combination ).

That is why if you ever make an AR-15 ( or AK, etc ) pistol you want to use 'new loose parts' and not convert an existing rifle. Or you may run into the short barrel rifle problem.
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Report this Post02-19-2013 08:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NiterrorzSend a Private Message to NiterrorzDirect Link to This Post
 
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I agree with that. Its all about what the weapon was at time of manufacture. Removing/adding components doesn't change what it 'is'. ( tho it may make it illegal depending on the combination ).

That is why if you ever make an AR-15 ( or AK, etc ) pistol you want to use 'new loose parts' and not convert an existing rifle. Or you may run into the short barrel rifle problem.


incorrect, if you put a stock on a glock pistol it becomes an SBR and is subject to tax stamps
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Report this Post02-19-2013 08:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for User00013170Send a Private Message to User00013170Direct Link to This Post
 
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incorrect, if you put a stock on a glock pistol it becomes an SBR and is subject to tax stamps


Perhaps. Id like to see the law first where it 'becomes' something else.. ( but i do agree with you that sticking a stock on one is problematic with the law, without paying your tax, and taking into account local restrictions )
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Report this Post02-19-2013 08:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FriendGregorySend a Private Message to FriendGregoryDirect Link to This Post
Humm, actually converting a rifle to a pistol is a big no no unless it started off as a pistol. I had a talk with an ATF agent about this. I have a MAC10 pistol, bought parts to make it a carbine, the long barrel goes on first before adding the stock and comes off last after removing the stock. Kind of silly shooting a 9mm 50 yards plus but, I get 2 inch MOA with the setup.
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Report this Post02-19-2013 08:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2farnorthSend a Private Message to 2farnorthDirect Link to This Post
Blackrams gave you the right answer concerning federal law. You still need to research your state and local laws as theirs may be more restrictive.
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Report this Post02-19-2013 09:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FriendGregorySend a Private Message to FriendGregoryDirect Link to This Post
It looks like there is a handle there that would allow the gun to be fired as a pistol. Remove some functional part so that it is inoperable. The fact is, someone has to be looking for this to be a problem so, you decide. Lock it in a safe and make sure anyone that enters your home understands that they should always say no when the government / police ask to enter...even with a warrant, just in case they have a bad address of faulty circumstance.
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