With the gun control "debate" raging and with many people calling for the protection of our nation's children; I have to ask a serious question. (We even have government officials saying they would be in favor of ANY new (gun) law that would save just 1 child's life.)

There is another law we could pass that would save the lives of more than 1 MILLION children PER YEAR, if it were enforced; guaranteed. This law would NOT violate any constitutionally guaranteed rights or freedoms.

So would you support such a law? Many of you can probably guess what that law would be without me actually saying it, but I'm just curious how many on here would actually support a law that would actually do something to save children's lives...

No

I would have to read the fine print.

Not touching this one with a ten foot pole. *backs out sheepishly*

We already have too many children.
Some of them are over 30 years old, but thats another topic for yet another bash your enemy thread.
My answer?
NO!
And I'm pretty sure I know where you're going with this...




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Drive safely!

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Interesting responses thus far. I would like to add this question: those of you saying NO, do you also support new gun bans?

No again.

I'll touch it. No. When and if women want it to change, they and only they can change it. End of subject.

Unless you are talking about lawn-darts and water wiggles.

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No.....

Interesting how to some, human life becomes much less important on this side of the threshold.

I'm backing out of this one......I pick my headaches wisely.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: I pick my headaches wisely.

I feel the same way with the relationship between my fingernails & my nose.

I figured the OP was talking about mandatory immunizations.

I'll play. (ain't skeered)

I would not support a law of the land or of man that outlaws abortion.
We already have a supreme law that addresses this.

And in answer to your other question (you ask--I will answer)
I believe there is certainly room for some "improvement" in the way legal guns are bought and sold, tho I oppose any outright bans above and beyond what the law of the land already decrees.

you may ask another.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I'll play. (ain't skeered) I would not support a law of the land or of man that outlaws abortion. We already have a supreme law that addresses this.

Now if we could only get the republican party to get off that topic and let it rest. Many people I have met who label themselves as republicans feel the same way you do MJ. While they are against it and wouldn't choose that option themselves (or atleast say they wouldn't) they don't feel they should make that choice for others.

As to my answer on the topic, No assuming the law somehow takes away a parents choice (as in mandatory immunizations). As to the second question, again No I am not for any additional gun bans. I am for better screening of prospective gun buyers and some type of law requiring private sales to be subject to the same process new sales would be (as in the sale required to be made through a gun dealer so they can file the proper paperwork).

quote Originally posted by Darth Fiero: With the gun control "debate" raging and with many people calling for the protection of our nation's children; I have to ask a serious question. (We even have government officials saying they would be in favor of ANY new (gun) law that would save just 1 child's life.) There is another law we could pass that would save the lives of more than 1 MILLION children PER YEAR, if it were enforced; guaranteed. This law would NOT violate any constitutionally guaranteed rights or freedoms. So would you support such a law? Many of you can probably guess what that law would be without me actually saying it, but I'm just curious how many on here would actually support a law that would actually do something to save children's lives...

I don't think you can really quantify a law like that. How many lives have been saved as a result of people having guns in their home to protect them? There are defense shootings every day, but they rarely make the main media for some apparent reason, but you see them all the time on local news from various places.

To say that banning all guns (for example) would be worth it to save the life of one child... how many would die as a result of a break-in or home invasion... with no way to defend themselves?


I think people tend to overcomplicate issues, and the best answer is usually... usually... the simplest one. All of these shootings have been from crazy people. What would be the simplest answer? If someone is legitimately crazy, they need to be admitted.

If this is in regards to mandatory childhood immunizations, I would not support a federal law requiring them, tho I strongly recommend parents DO get their kids vaccinated. I would also not support taxpayer provided expenditures or funding to immunize illegal immigrants or their foreign born children, unless there is an equal amt of spending cuts made elsewhere to cover that cost.

No

quote Originally posted by maryjane: If this is in regards to mandatory childhood immunizations, I would not support a federal law requiring them, tho I strongly recommend parents DO get their kids vaccinated. I would also not support taxpayer provided expenditures or funding to immunize illegal immigrants or their foreign born children, unless there is an equal amt of spending cuts made elsewhere to cover that cost.

Soo, those who don't qualify get sick and spread the disease when they go to work, or to the store, or to the place under the bridge where they hide out and sleep.
Are you familiar with the old saying: "cutting your nose off to spite your face?"
Sometimes complex problems just don't have simple amswers.
And no, Nurb, you CAN'T just shoot the homeless illegals.

(I thought this was going to be another abortion thread, even though its here on Pennocks gun enthusiasts forum)

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: (I thought this was going to be another abortion thread, even though its here on Pennocks gun enthusiasts forum))

Mee too.

i think abortion should be legal up to the age of 18.... that is the parents right to off thier kid up to the childs 18th bday. i mean really if your litle **** was a drag on the world and a loser would you not want to off them? (im not really seriosu about that) some kids are beyond hope though and you should be able to cut your losses.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: (I thought this was going to be another abortion thread, even though its here on Pennocks gun enthusiasts forum)

I thought so as well.....though how a cogent connection between anti-abortion and pro-gun positions will be articulated remains to be seen.

It couldn't possibly be one of those "sanctity of life" arguments as that would be mind-bogglingly hypocritical....."Treasure life at all costs before birth.....give everybody a gun soon thereafter."

Then again, I wouldn't put it past 'em.

So.....what IS this about anyhoo??

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quote Originally posted by Niterrorz: some kids are beyond hope.

No kid is beyond hope.
They can all be turned around.
Even me.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Soo, those who don't qualify get sick and spread the disease when they go to work, or to the store, or to the place under the bridge where they hide out and sleep.

That would depend on Congress' appetite to cut spending elsewhere to pay for it. Ask them.
(I don't care where they make the cut(s)--defense--SS-education--farm subsidies--oil subsidies--doesn't matter, but just make the cut.)

There are plenty of laws that may save lives of children or adults, but I wouldn't support them solely based on that. It depends on what the law is.

quote Originally posted by Darth Fiero: So would you support such a law?

No, because my opinion is that they need to focus on punishing the people that "misuse" guns and leave the law abiding people alone.

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*walks back in standing tall*

Automatic life sentence for those that use a gun in the commission of a crime. If you are found guilty, you already know your sentence. Stolen gun. Legal gun. frack it, even poachers.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: *walks back in standing tall* Automatic life sentence for those that use a gun in the commission of a crime. If you are found guilty, you already know your sentence. Stolen gun. Legal gun. frack it, even poachers.

Sounds good and may stop some crimes. The problem is, with the recent mass murders with a psycho and multi clip rifle, They usually shoot them self after killing. The law wouldn't stop them. They plan on it being a life sentence.

quote Originally posted by bonzo: Sounds good and may stop some crimes. The problem is, with the recent mass murders with a psycho and multi clip rifle, They usually shoot them self after killing. The law wouldn't stop them. They plan on it being a life sentence.

Yeah pretty much my thought to. It seems like most "spree" type killings end with the suspect shot and killed by officers or by themselves. So auto life in prison or death penaly doesn't really seem like a deterant if the killer is going into the "spree" with the intent of being dead at the end of it anyway. I probably will never understand why someone who wants to pop a peice of lead in their skull thinks they need to ruin other people lives and cause others to suffer in the process.You want to be dead? Go ahead and take your OWN life, but leave others lives alone.

Let me get this straight. So we should pass a law allowing the full police power of the government to put a gun next to the head of a pregnant woman and force her to give birth to a fetus or face imprisonment and also allow the government to meddle into private citizens medical records so we can satisfy some sick religious men who want to control women's wombs?

Ummmm......NO!

Apparently you guys know the OP better than I do. I couldn't figure out what he was talking about until the comments.


We don't need any abortion laws. It's called murder, and should be treated as such. If you disagree, you disagree based on when you believe a fetus becomes a human, or you think murder should be legal.

Abortion itself is not a thing. It's "killing a fetus" or "killing a human." I tend to believe the human part comes in sooner than other people believe.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Apparently you guys know the OP better than I do. I couldn't figure out what he was talking about until the comments. We don't need any abortion laws. It's called murder, and should be treated as such. If you disagree, you disagree based on when you believe a fetus becomes a human, or you think murder should be legal. Abortion itself is not a thing. It's "killing a fetus" or "killing a human." I tend to believe the human part comes in sooner than other people believe.

Well said. Legalized genocide.

quote Originally posted by bonzo: Sounds good and may stop some crimes. The problem is, with the recent mass murders with a psycho and multi clip rifle, They usually shoot them self after killing. The law wouldn't stop them. They plan on it being a life sentence.

I hear ya on that. We cannot stop crazies. But, we could inhibit the "casual" carjacker. Only a suggest on my behalf. Just like pet-a-childs should be tattoed with pink writing on their lower forehead identifying them for life. Or drunk drivers issued pink plates and being able to be pulled over at any time, for any reason.

Punish criminals, not me. I will never respond to keeping all after class for "little jimmies" indescretions.

quote Originally posted by bonzo: and multi clip rifle,

Where do people come up with this stuff? Seriously?!

Kevin

"multi clip"
In over 50 years of using all sorts of rifles both in civilian life and in combat, I have never seen a "multi clip" or multi magazine rifle. Never.

Clips are for a girls hair.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: And no, Nurb, you CAN'T just shoot the homeless illegals.

I'll have to go out on a limb here, but I haven't seen Nurb post in awhile. So, yes, I'm going to defend him and say that Nurb did not say that (in this thread).

The way its worded is a clear invite for being a trick question to make it sound like a person that doesn't support xyz restriction wants children to die.

I don't think ill participate either.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: No kid is beyond hope. They can all be turned around. Even me.

Ever been to juvenile hall? There are lots of "kids" that are waiting to graduate to the adult prison.

quote Originally posted by Darth Fiero: (We even have government officials saying they would be in favor of ANY new (gun) law that would save just 1 child's life.)

No but, I would be in favor of opening up more freedoms if it would save just one more life. End gun free zones.