quote Originally posted by Ventura: Wasn't Romney the governor of Massachusetts or something? How did that work out? Opinions?

Just like Obama, it doesn't matter what his past was, he's white.

The making of the new messiah. This time, it will be different, right?

quote Originally posted by TK: The making of the new messiah. This time, it will be different, right?

We don't need a messiah. We don't expect a messiah. We simply expect someone to go do the things we all have to do, like balance the goddamn checkbook.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: We don't need a messiah. We don't expect a messiah. We simply expect someone to go do the things we all have to do, like balance the goddamn checkbook.

Agreed, but you can see it happening like it does every time. We never learn.

quote Originally posted by TK: Agreed, but you can see it happening like it does every time. We never learn.

Well, there hasn't been a Tea Party before now. We used to go vote Republican, expect the job to be done properly, and went back to our busy lives and obligations. We now realize we can't do that any more, or we end up $16 trillion in debt and with a president who is basically a socialist agitator and who hadn't done s*** before he got elected.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: We don't need a messiah. We don't expect a messiah. We simply expect someone to go do the things we all have to do, like balance the goddamn checkbook.

Hence, the difference between rational people and Democrats

I guess we'll find out how rational people are from (actually both parties) in less than 3 months.

If Obama would have ballanced the budget, reduce the federal debt or even come close to doing that as promised, I would probably vote for him inspite of the assault on the constitution and other items. The country needs to be on a solid financial foundation.

My vote will be split towards those I feel will restore some fiscal sanity and lean heavily against incumbents that haven't produced that or have added to the gridlock in Washington.

quote Originally posted by jetman: If Obama would have ballanced the budget, reduce the federal debt or even come close to doing that as promised, I would probably vote for him inspite of the assault on the constitution and other items. The country needs to be on a solid financial foundation.

But why should we have to put up with an assault on the constitution? Sorry, no thanks.

quote My vote will be split towards those I feel will restore some fiscal sanity and lean heavily against incumbents that haven't produced that or have added to the gridlock in Washington.

It is the Democratic Senate that isn't even voting on bills. If you want to vote something down, even for partisan reasons, that's one thing. But they aren't even voting! Remember THAT when you're voting against incumbents. At least the Republicans are introducing and voting on bills that are attempting to fix problems.

quote Originally posted by jetman: My vote will be split towards those I feel will restore some fiscal sanity and lean heavily against incumbents that haven't produced that or have added to the gridlock in Washington.

I recommend not listening to the speeches about who's causing the gridlock. Look at the actual voting records to see who's been voting on what.
Democrats will say Republicans are causing gridlock and Republicans will say it's Democrats. Look at the bills submitted for votes, what's been voted on and who voted for what.
You'll find a lot of bills passed the House and went to the Senate only to sit and rot on Harry Reid's desk and never get voted on. That includes budgets.

Don't take my word for it either. Do the research.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Hence, the difference between rational people and Democrats

NO THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE IRRATIONAL FEARFUL HATERS ON THE RIGHT
AND THE NORMAL PEOPLE IN THE CENTER
BUT THE RIGHTWINGERS HERE SEE THE CENTER AS COMMIES OR WORSE

Yay! A Romney/Ryan ticket for 2012! I'm going to take my right hand out of this barrel of acid and put my left in this pit of white-hot coals....

/sarcasm... maybe

This election cycle is no better than the last 5... It's the lesser of 2 evils and depending on your views/outlook on life there's no good answer...

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quote Originally posted by Rallaster: This election cycle is no better than the last 5... It's the lesser of 2 evils and depending on your views/outlook on life there's no good answer...

You've told us what you don't want. What do you want?

I want statesmen who respect, obey and defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Only then can we begin to fix the problems.

Unfortunately, we elect politicians. Me first, party second and country third.

btw, regardless of whoever is elected, 4 years from now we'll probably be 6 trillion further in debt and everyone will be saying anyone but Obama/Romney. Just my opinion.

quote Originally posted by ray b: NO THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE IRRATIONAL FEARFUL HATERS ON THE RIGHT AND THE NORMAL PEOPLE IN THE CENTER BUT THE RIGHTWINGERS HERE SEE THE CENTER AS COMMIES OR WORSE

Wow, I say Beetlejuice and BAM...there he is

quote Originally posted by jetman: If Obama would have ballanced the budget, reduce the federal debt or even come close to doing that as promised, I would probably vote for him inspite of the assault on the constitution and other items.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: But why should we have to put up with an assault on the constitution? Sorry, no thanks.

I need to correct myself, I was using the constitution issues as a clohcism (sp) (similar referenced example). I've been on record here as opposing the assault by both parties of our constitutional rights.

Thanks for pointing that out fierobear, that was a poor example, I would overlook some faults if,,,,, Thanks again fierobear, you're great!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: We don't need a messiah. We don't expect a messiah. We simply expect someone to go do the things we all have to do, like balance the goddamn checkbook.

Some of us do--perhaps even most of us. Others, will show no desire or need to balance any checkbook, especially if it can be postponed to a time when it will cause no pain during their lifetime--whether it be a political lifetime or a real, breathing, flesh and blood physical lifetime.
"Can kicked"

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I recommend not listening to the speeches about who's causing the gridlock. Look at the actual voting records to see who's been voting on what. Democrats will say Republicans are causing gridlock and Republicans will say it's Democrats. Look at the bills submitted for votes, what's been voted on and who voted for what. You'll find a lot of bills passed the House and went to the Senate only to sit and rot on Harry Reid's desk and never get voted on. That includes budgets. Don't take my word for it either. Do the research.

QFT

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I recommend not listening to the speeches about who's causing the gridlock. Look at the actual voting records to see who's been voting on what. Democrats will say Republicans are causing gridlock and Republicans will say it's Democrats. Look at the bills submitted for votes, what's been voted on and who voted for what. You'll find a lot of bills passed the House and went to the Senate only to sit and rot on Harry Reid's desk and never get voted on. That includes budgets. Don't take my word for it either. Do the research.

That's asking a lot of some people. Think for themselves? Perish the thought!

It's amazing that people think this new development (if successful) will change anything.

The new management will be able to fall back on this time in history and place it on one man, as an excuse for their lack of change for MANY decades to come.
They will only have to say "Obama", and their (bought & paid for) unwillingness to make any real change will be forgotten by the masses.
"Yeah, he is worthless, but at least he ain't Obama!"

They will never see, it's not the show that is the problem, it's the audience.

We refuse to see anything larger then the myopic view we want to see.
It's our way of imagining personal control of the larger, uncontrolable, world around we are living in.
Something small for us to get our head around.
Even if it isn't exactly true.
It's kinda' true, or COULD BE kinda' true, and that's enough to use it as an explanationfor larger, more complicated things.

When, in reality, the WHOLE world is having problems.
It's just the times.
We have all become just smart enough to be stupid, at will.

To fix this problem, everyone has to work at it.
Everyone needs to change.
Individually, we need to use more brains and more heart, and that will translate into a more constructive use of our powers, as a whole.
Stop buying into The Game, because the HOUSE always wins.

Stop playing poker and start playing chess.
Think 20 moves ahead.
Have multiable gameplans.
Be prepaired for any contigentcy.
Everyone work at it, all the time.

Look at this country as an employee owned business.
Then grow it.
There could still be room for lazy & worthless, just not much pay in it.

If we REALLY wanted better, we could HAVE it.
But we got to stop accepting the game they want us to play.
Because in reality, the game they have slowly built on us is not THEIRS, it's OURS.
We are the game pieces, we are the bank, we own the board, therefore WE ARE THE GAME.
WE call the shots.

They even TELL us that.
Because that is what it looks like, when you don't really look at it too hard.
It's like we are DAZZLED by the the speical effects we see in a movie "trailer".
When we KNOW the movie is always ALOT different then the "trailer" they keep showing us over & over over & over over & over over & over over & over over & over over & over over & over again.
WE need to realize that the trailer ain't the movie.

And we need to TELL THEM THAT in no uncertain terms.
We will no longer be satisfied with "Comming Attractions" that never get here.

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quote Originally posted by 8Ball: LOL What a moron......

So your ADMITTING Obama is a moron !!!! He did the same exact thing when he picked Biden.

Its easy to make mistakes that will bite you. I was in the middle of 'playing' one nite with a gf and called her by my ex's first name.... Things were done for nite immediately.

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: So your ADMITTING Obama is a moron !!!! He did the same exact thing when he picked Biden.

Yep, Obama introduced the new President of the 57 states!

I'll bet Romney knows how many states there are.