http://www.paullee.com/titanic/switch.html

There's an interesting theory out there that the Olympic (which had been seriously damaged when another ship had struck it).... was switched with the Titanic, and White Star line was going to have the renamed Olympic/Titanic sunk after saving the passengers.... and thus to get the insurance money...

The theory with the original Olympic was that because of its serious damage, that it would had to have been cut in half and had a new frame put into it.... thus patch it up as best as they could ad send it out to sink intentionally....

There would have been too many people involved to be able to keep that a secret. Even with sister ships, no 2 are exactly alike. The crew, down to the firemen and boiler tenders would have known the difference.

With the video documentary I just saw on Youtube... they have some credible evidence on how a coverup with many people could have taken place....

Also, (according to the Youtube videos) one of the major things that was discovered in 1986 when the Titanic was found, was by the name plate in front where "Titanic" was on the side of the ship... Originally White Star Line had the names of the ships engraved into the hull... it was discovered that the Titanic had its name plates riveted on instead (and not engraved)... and when they looked at the name plate letters on the side of the ship in 1986, two of the original letters had falling off... behind them, the letters "M", and "P" were discovered (engraved into the hull, like it should have been).... thus if this is true, then it really was the Olympic that sunk...

if true, this has very serious implications. fraud, mass murder for profit, coverups, all of that. when the truth becomes known, the perpetrators should be hauled through the court system and the book thrown at them... oh, wait. theyre all dead. never mind.

THIS IS A JOB FOR JAMES CAMERON AND HIS SUPER SUB!

TITANIC II

On Youtube? Why didn't you say so to begin with? That seals it-----------done deal-the switch was made. I believe it now Proff I mean 1985FieroGT. A heck of a scoop. Thanks!


I do admit tho, It IS a rather "interesting" conjecture, other than all the details--like buying the silence of the 15,000 Irish workers. It's not you could just bribe them with a sack of potatoes and a pint of Irish Stout.

Well, I imagine you put a group of people to work "working on" the Olympic, and try and fix it, then tell them you have given up, and are moving them to another project.

Then send a guy to put the nameplates in place.

Then hire another crew to work on the Titanic, bring in people from another part of the country, after all it's basically seaworthy now. Have them go through and "finish" the Titanic.

Though it seems to me that they would waste more money doing this than they would save on insurance.

And wouldn't someone have said something when they didn't order boilers and such? There wasn't the media that we have nowadays, and really they could have got away with it if they planned it out right, but I don't see why, they would have got insurance from the Olympic when it was hit anyway.

Now, if both of them were at the same dock, and floating at the same time, I could see them pulling it off even easier. It would certainly explain the ship splitting in two so easily, but it's still in the "tin foil hat" area of theory's.

Brad

It's a pretty wild conspiracy theory but there's no hard evidence to back it up. Olympic and Titanic were not structurally identicial, Titanic had the A deck promenade enclosed at the front halft of the superstructure where the Olympic was open in that section.

Hi-res pictures of the wreck show the A deck promenade deck enclosed forward. As maryjane said how do you keep thousands of people quiet if you were to do structual changes to both ships, transfer the interior decorating and everything associated with the name and no one noticing.

Olympic was scrapped by 2 different companies, ( neither were Harland and Wolff ) and again hundreds if not thousands of people said nothing about name plates being covered.

Ships aren't built like cars, you don't ' cut them in half and put a new frame in'. That statement alone should ring a bell that who ever said that is a crack pot. The only thing the Olympic got from the Titanic is a propeller shaft after the Hawke collided with it and then shortly after one of Titanics propellors.

Man some of the stuff you read on the internet you can't even dream of.

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Looks pretty unsalvagable to me. Looks like there's a pretty good crack in the hull under the hole (made by the other ships bow, I would assume). I don't know if you could dry dock a ship that big back then so if the crack extended very far, it could have been impossible to fix correctly. Remember, they used some pretty crappy steel back in the day (which is why the iceburg ripped the side out of the Olympic Titanic). Tough to fix. Might be able to temporarily patch it up but I can see where it wouldn't be considered "seaworthy" any longer. I love conspiracy theories but I don't see the logic in this one.

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Where is RayB? Obviously this was a Bush / Haliburton conspiracy. It's obvious the NEOcons arranged this to kill off a democrat that would have brought world peace and stuff.

An American missile cruiser had a hole blown in the side at the waterline by terrorists a lot bigger than that. They towed it clear across the Atlantic ocean to weld a patch on it. Those big ships dont even have a 'frame' per se' anyway. They just start at one end and weld sections of hull on one at a time till they get to the other end. Even if they did cut it clear in half, they just drop in another section and weld both ends up to the existing halves. (sorta like they make limousines)

Does the documentary show any of the 2006 photos that allegedly show the M and P being covered up by the Olympic nameplate?

http://www.titanic-titanic....spiracy_theory.shtml

http://www.titanicuniverse....onspiracy-theory/124

http://www.dailymotion.com/...anic-conspiracy_news

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quote Originally posted by Fformula88: Does the documentary show any of the 2006 photos that allegedly show the M and P being covered up by the Olympic nameplate?

Supposedly it was in 1986 when the Titanic was rediscovered....

No, I don't believe they showed it, but they mentioned it....

Don't forget that aliens were involved, as they could have erased the memories of those thousands that knew the truth..

( not saying that ships don't get renamed/etc but we would have known )

Hmm, so this was supposed to be an insurance scam, yet they did not claim on insurance for the original accident? maybe I missed something.

swapped the nameplates, sank the olympic, scrapped a perfectly good titanic?

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The insurance scam theory would have required the White Star Line to have a decent policy on the Titanic/Olympic. In reality (from what I've read), the ship was insured for 5 million, far less than the 7.5 million it cost to build.

http://www.encyclopedia-tit...red-for-5000000.html

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quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: Remember, they used some pretty crappy steel back in the day (which is why the iceburg ripped the side out of the Olympic Titanic).

Yes. Consider the ductile/brittle transition behavior of low-carbon steel alloys, which is what caused many WW-II Liberty Ships to break in half (all by themselves). The Titanic also used low-carbon steel for its hull plates, with a reported ductile/brittle transition only slightly below room temperature. The North Atlantic in winter was not a safe environment for such ships, even without the presence of icebergs.

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Is that what the used to call "boiler plate" steel?

As far as large ships not having frames, they may not have back then, but every big USN vessel I was ever on certainly had frames, from a harbor tug (USS Atapaka) to an aircraft carrier (USS Lexington) to a Spruance class destroyer (USS Paul F Foster). They may build the ships in modular sections, but the frames are still there within each module and the ends are all welded together front to back (bow back to stern) .

When below decks, you always want to kinda keep in the back of your mind 'exactly' where you are in case the crap hits the fan and the lights go off, and you do this by noticing the frame #s that are stenciled every few feet every where ya look as you walk along the passageways. (up inside the upper beams of the frames is where all the dopers tried to keep their stash hid so they wouldn't get caught with it in their personall area in the berhting compartments)

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Theyve showed them building large ships on documentaries. They may well have 'frames' as reinforcements all along the hull, but not in the sense they lay a keel down the center and attach ribs all the way down, then attach sheets of steel to them...like a smaller boat or sailboat would have.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Theyve showed them building large ships on documentaries. They may well have 'frames' as reinforcements all along the hull, but not in the sense they lay a keel down the center and attach ribs all the way down, then attach sheets of steel to them...like a smaller boat or sailboat would have.

"Laying down the keel" is a figure of speech in steel shipbuilding, but they definitely build the frames first, both vertically and horizontally, then the cross section bracing and beams & spars for the inner compartments fore and aft, the weld (or rivet in Titanic's case) on the inner and outer hullplating, even with Titanic and Olympia. Nowdays, those ships would have been built in modular fashion, with a steel (or aluminum) framwork, and then hull plates welded to that individual section.

This is Titanic's bow section frame. In the upper center, you can see the vertical beams (what you might call "ribs") protruding up. The steel plate hull is laying stacked on the quayside, not yet riveted to the frame, as the cross section hasn't been completed yet.




Frame of the Kungsholm, a passenger liner of the Swedish American Line. Keel was laid, frame built, the the crossection began and outer hull welded on.

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OK. I just seen what they did on tv, they never showed one built like that. It was all like you call modular. Had the decks, bottom, both sides all prefabbed in like 50' sections, then just just placed them with cranes, welded it together moved to next section. See I dont know everything. Thanks for the info...now I know more.

Roger, not being a dick.. They didnt weld in those days. It was all rivits.

I don't think anybody is doubting ships have frames of one sort or another, I was replying to the fact the statement " cut it in half and put a new frame into ' was used.

Impossible, the two ships were NOT identical. Every ship has its own subtle and not so subtle differences. The Olympic had completely different decorations (for one example) than the Titanic.

We can call this "The Iceberg on the grassy knoll" conspiracy.

Jim

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Impossible, the two ships were NOT identical. Every ship has its own subtle and not so subtle differences. The Olympic had completely different decorations (for one example) than the Titanic.

Hello, not sure I would say plausible. This was done in a time when people were less than ready to challenge the powers to be with no internet and resources to look into. Im finding it more than interesting. As the names were normally engraved into the hull, yet with these two they were later plates rivited on. White paint under the black paint on the hull of the sunken Titanic and what was the Kaliforian doing just sitting there stopped close to where the titanic went down. A seris of events where the Kalifornia didnt realize the rockets that were sent up in distress were maybe from a illegal whaleing ship instead that could have assisted but chose not to. Short wave radio and GPS would have helped. Hmmm
http://www.titanicuniverse....onspiracy-theory/124

http://www.youtube.com/watc...re=player_embedded#!

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quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: We can call this "The Iceberg on the grassy knoll" conspiracy. Jim

The Illuminati planned this, didn't they, Jim?

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quote Originally posted by normsf: Hello, not sure I would say plausible. This was done in a time when people were less than ready to challenge the powers to be with no internet and resources to look into. Im finding it more than interesting. As the names were normally engraved into the hull, yet with these two they were later plates rivited on. White paint under the black paint on the hull of the sunken Titanic and what was the Kaliforian doing just sitting there stopped close to where the titanic went down. A seris of events where the Kalifornia didnt realize the rockets that were sent up in distress were maybe from a illegal whaleing ship instead that could have assisted but chose not to. Short wave radio and GPS would have helped. Hmmm http://www.titanicuniverse....onspiracy-theory/124 http://www.youtube.com/watc...re=player_embedded#!

I think you mean the 'Californian'. And there is no proof it was near enough to help even if the wireless operator was awake. The Titanic's actual sinking location was 5 miles SE of where is was reported (the reason it took so long to find it). The ship that was reported by survivors as being on the horizon could have been nothing more than a fishing trawler as you state. We'll never know. But the Olympic was the only one of the 3 sister ships to survive more than 2 years of service. In fact, the Olympic served until 1935 when it was sold for scrap. The patch in the hull where it collided with another ship was there.