Maybe Rickady has heard the term "racist" used so much in the past 4 years anytime someone has criticized President Obama's policies, the meaning of the word has become a general insult.
I use the word liberally now that the current administration showed me the modern definition of it.
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Rickady88GT Member
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Yup. Just returning the favor, since he used the same description of me in a past thread. Respect is earned, and he has already shown disrespect to me and others here several times in the past.. why should I give it to him anymore? When ole' Rick stops using insults on people just for disagreeing with his viewpoints, he will get respect in return. Until then telling someone they are "stupid and fundamentally wrong" won't earn brownie points with anyone.
No favors, just one conversation at a time. I am not perfect, I just call it like I see it. I dont hold it against you, we all have opinions. If I could not take it, I would not dish it out. One thing about me, I can put differences aside like a dirty rag. When someone needs help or a question I do what I can nomatter our differences of opinion about politics religion abortion, sexual prefence or racism. You will probably never see any of my "name calling or disrespect" in General or Tech forums. Search it and prove me wrong. Infact you would be hard pressed to find me "troll" or look for people I disagree with in unrelated topics just to harass them. I will comment on what is said in any given thread as it relates to the thread topic if I feel strongly enough about it.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
That wasn't my point. I just asked you why ray is the "perfect example" (and not me, for example) when you don't like how he expresses his "liberal" point of view. You expand your dislike of him to all "liberals" which would then include me. That's what I didn't like about your post and therefore labeled it unqualified.
Your point is dead on. Let the back-peddling begin.
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Rickady88GT Member
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There are plenty of people who do understand it. When you say it cannot be understood you expand your inability to understand it to everybody, whatever their political affiliation. And that is an invalid generalization because it is demonstrably untrue.
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To disagree with implies an understanding. What is wrong with generalizing, isnt that why we lable things like liberal, conservative and such?
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Rickady88GT Member
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There are plenty of people who do understand it. When you say it cannot be understood you expand your inability to understand it to everybody, whatever their political affiliation. And that is an invalid generalization because it is demonstrably untrue.
Liberalism encompases much more than just politics. BTW so does conservatism.
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htexans1 Member
Posts: 9115 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
There are plenty of people who do understand it. When you say it cannot be understood you expand your inability to understand it to everybody, whatever their political affiliation. And that is an invalid generalization because it is demonstrably untrue.
I may be wrong, but Yellowstone seems to "Be Liberal."
He also seems to me to be the first one I have "met" that really cares to debate without resorting to "leg Humping" (Name calling) like some others of our distinguished members.
Since he wishes to talk, I'll ask:
"Enlighten me to what Liberalism is." I am asking in a "serious manner" and I am not attacking, I am simply asking to stimulate debate, without any of my usual "Comrade Obama" banter.
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yellowstone Member
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I may be wrong, but Yellowstone seems to "Be Liberal."
That's a tricky one since "liberal' as you use it is a US-specific term. In Europe, "liberal" is used in the economic sense and would be closer to libertarian here. Plus, in the US the political spectrum is shifted completely to the right compared to Europe. There, I was considered almost a conservative and the concept that Pres. Obama was a socialist was completely laughable (you'd understand after you listen to our socialists!).
How I would define my political basics: - supporter of a market economy with a strong regulatory component that prevents imbalances (e.g. social, environmental) - social liberal, with government not involved in people's personal living arrangements (e.g. sexual behavior, marriage, religion) - secular humanism, conviction that religious beliefs have no place in government - social responsibility as a society to prevent poverty and provide all people with a level playing field to make something of themselves (e.g. education, social programs) - fiscal conservative and a belief that, with narrow exceptions, the government should not borrow
Originally posted by htexans1: He also seems to me to be the first one I have "met" that really cares to debate without resorting to "leg Humping" (Name calling) like some others of our distinguished members.
Since he wishes to talk, I'll ask:
"Enlighten me to what Liberalism is." I am asking in a "serious manner" and I am not attacking, I am simply asking to stimulate debate, without any of my usual "Comrade Obama" banter.
I would really go with the definition found in Wikipedia:
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Liberalism is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and the free exercise of religion.
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because nut-con's esp the religious right are a clear and present danger to freedom and they lie so much
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by ray b: because nut-con's esp the religious right are a clear and present danger to freedom and they lie so much
That's utterly laughable, considering it is the LEFTIST Democrats who are constantly pushing MORE government, while the "religious" right is pushing for LESS government.
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ray b: saving the world one internet post at a time.
Either that, or trying to give it severe eye strain.
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rpro Member
Posts: 2920 From: Rockledge, FL Registered: Jun 2006
That's utterly laughable, considering it is the LEFTIST Democrats who are constantly pushing MORE government, while the "religious" right is pushing for LESS government.
no and even if they were there are many forms of cutting government that are a danger too
but your fearfull godbothered rick wants crusades against sex ed, **** , gays, choice and lots of other ''sins'' and to prey on school children with woo fables and superstitions replacing science all that needs more laws and money for infarcement
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27105 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
What is pointless is replying to Ray B's posts to begin with. Clearly he just throws out some imflamatory comment knowing he'll invoke outrage. All it does is encourage him.
When I realized he lives here in Florida and won't even attend Daytona, that pretty much tells me he has nothing to contribute to our community except strife and division. Same thing with Neptune... just a few miles from Daytona, yet wouldn't have the courage to show his face after some of the outrageous things he's said over the years. These guys are both a waste of oxygen.
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I was going to make some comments but it's pointless really.
Nothing to see here, move along.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
That may be true but the topic is interesting and worthy of a discussion nonetheless. Does it matter who started it and why? While Mr. Santorum is no Taliban, the rise of a politician with his views in a major democracy in modern times is quite troubling to me. His actions are unlike the Taliban but his ideology is noxious.
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What is pointless is replying to Ray B's posts to begin with. Clearly he just throws out some imflamatory comment knowing he'll invoke outrage. All it does is encourage him.
When I realized he lives here in Florida and won't even attend Daytona, that pretty much tells me he has nothing to contribute to our community except strife and division. Same thing with Neptune... just a few miles from Daytona, yet wouldn't have the courage to show his face after some of the outrageous things he's said over the years. These guys are both a waste of oxygen.
I was going to make some comments but it's pointless really.
Nothing to see here, move along.
that is exactly what the religious right wants you to think their evil plans only work if nobody is watching them they want no discussion or examination of their programs just believe and have faith that they and only they are correct and that is why they need to be exposed for what they really are just a kinder gentler version of the tali-ban with a slightly different rule book sure they donot now cut off heads [but they want to silence descent]
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htexans1 Member
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that is exactly what the religious right wants you to think their evil plans only work if nobody is watching them they want no discussion or examination of their programs just believe and have faith that they and only they are correct and that is why they need to be exposed for what they really are just a kinder gentler version of the tali-ban with a slightly different rule book sure they donot now cut off heads [but they want to silence descent]
Yup. Sounds like the left to me.
"You have to find out whats in it by passing it. " Nancy Pelosi
"Our government is more transperant" Barack Obama
(won't release his school records or the birth certificate he has from Kenya)
"Were the Smart Kids " -- Neptune
Sure you are. We've had your Kool aid laced message for 3 years now, you have until Nov 6th, Comrade.
that is exactly what the religious right wants you to think their evil plans only work if nobody is watching them they want no discussion or examination of their programs just believe and have faith that they and only they are correct and that is why they need to be exposed for what they really are just a kinder gentler version of the tali-ban with a slightly different rule book sure they donot now cut off heads [but they want to silence descent]
You have made a wrong assumption in this post. My comments were pertaining to the ususal ill infomed and inflamatory comments that you had posted.
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
I didn't make myself clear. I did read your posts and was agreeing with you!
rayb, I dislike power grabs from secular humanists. Based on a long history of bad to horrible real results of governments dominated by those kinds of people.
"the less religion in a government the better it governs"
Let's try a VERY recent history lesson.
Wisconsin just had conservatives vote in Governor Walker. Some of that was due to the tea party. Not nearly 100%, but many of the tea party, and the conservatives would call themselves Christians. Their political gatherings were universally peaceful, polite, respectful, clean.
The liberals didn't like it. They are much less likely to be Christian, and would have a much higher percentage of secular humanists, atheists, and other non-Christian ideologies. Guess what their political gatherings were like? They destroyed the property around the capitol to the tune of $5 million dollars. They were physically abusive to counter protestors. One poured beer on a legislator in a restaurant. They were incredibly verbally abusive and nasty.
You tell me. Which group would govern better? Which would you rather be around? Which group used Taliban tactics?
Your country over the years has been greatly influenced in positive ways within government by fairytalelanders living and voting their values within that government. They didn't try to "power grab" the government. But they had every right to vote and promote and express their values just like a secular humanist would (and does).
You apparently would have hated living in the late 1700's and early 1800's U.S. because a LOT of those guys were fairytalelanders. Yet they were able to get a pretty great country going.
Wisconsin is yet to be played out. My only information is from the media, but it sure looked like a power grab that was overplayed. I'm watching to see how it plays out because I think that what is going on there might be a sign of the times.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
To disagree with implies an understanding. What is wrong with generalizing, isnt that why we lable things like liberal, conservative and such?
Nothing is wrong with generalizing. It gives us a perfect reason to hate and distrust people we have never met. Combine that with the anonymity of the net where anyone can hide in their house and hurl insults that they would never dare speak in person, and how can anything but great things come from that?
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Although satirical, this is most intellegent post in this entire thread.
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Nothing is wrong with generalizing. It gives us a perfect reason to hate and distrust people we have never met. Combine that with the anonymity of the net where anyone can hide in their house and hurl insults that they would never dare speak in person, and how can anything but great things come from that?
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Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Nothing is wrong with generalizing. It gives us a perfect reason to hate and distrust people we have never met. Combine that with the anonymity of the net where anyone can hide in their house and hurl insults that they would never dare speak in person, and how can anything but great things come from that?
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Although satirical, this is most intellegent post in this entire thread.
I don't know about the satirical or most intellegent, but it is damn sure the truth.
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Rickady88GT Member
Posts: 10655 From: Central CA Registered: Dec 2002
Nothing is wrong with generalizing. It gives us a perfect reason to hate and distrust people we have never met. Combine that with the anonymity of the net where anyone can hide in their house and hurl insults that they would never dare speak in person, and how can anything but great things come from that?
Again you have a great way of getting a point across, nothing good comes from it......or is there? A test of a persons maturity and ability to resist.
But just for the record, if you are saying that I hate anyone just because I disagree with political opinions, you would be wrong. I can not think of a single person on this forum that I "hate", just strong disagrements with opinions. Now distrust is another topic. I can distrust people like neptune and ray b because of the bad politics, opinions and insults they buy into and nobody had to hide behind anything or hurl insults to get that reaction from me. They did it all buy them selfs .But that is quite a bit off this topic and this thread is getting nowhere, so I am out of it unless anyone else has a really good point to make.
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Again you have a great way of getting a point across, nothing good comes from it......or is there? A test of a persons maturity and ability to resist.
But just for the record, if you are saying that I hate anyone just because I disagree with political opinions, you would be wrong. I can not think of a single person on this forum that I "hate", just strong disagrements with opinions. Now distrust is another topic. I can distrust people like neptune and ray b because of the bad politics, opinions and insults they buy into and nobody had to hide behind anything or hurl insults to get that reaction from me. They did it all buy them selfs .But that is quite a bit off this topic and this thread is getting nowhere, so I am out of it unless anyone else has a really good point to make.
No Rick, I think I know you well enough to know that you are not a hateful fellow. I did include distrust, and I think judgement like that goes both ways. People that I enjoy communicating with sling names at each other due only to what they THINK the other believes. It is really sad. I think (hope ) that you have a fairly positive opinion of me, but only because we have sat down and broke bread together. If not, who knows if you might have the same opinion of me as the MeanGirls do? According to them I am the most evil person alive.
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Rickady88GT Member
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No Rick, I think I know you well enough to know that you are not a hateful fellow. I did include distrust, and I think judgement like that goes both ways. People that I enjoy communicating with sling names at each other due only to what they THINK the other believes. It is really sad. I think (hope ) that you have a fairly positive opinion of me, but only because we have sat down and broke bread together. If not, who knows if you might have the same opinion of me as the MeanGirls do? According to them I am the most evil person alive.
I dont know who the meangirls are, I must not have seen the thread. I do however sling names (I admit that it is wrong and should not do it) and insult bad thought as I see fit. But the people them selfs, I try to find out enough about them, (granted this forum is a poor tool to really get to know a person) before I judge them. Like Yellowstone, I asked for a clearification on some of his beliefs in the healthcare thread to get to know more about were he is comming from before I "label" him. I hold nothing against him just because we have differences. We just have differences, that simple. Others ask for for insults by insulting.
I truely believe I can get along with just about anyone nomatter our beliefs, as long as we dont bring up stuff that bug each other and argue about it all the time.
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I dont know who the meangirls are, I must not have seen the thread. I do however sling names (I admit that it is wrong and should not do it) and insult bad thought as I see fit. But the people them selfs, I try to find out enough about them, (granted this forum is a poor tool to really get to know a person) before I judge them. Like Yellowstone, I asked for a clearification on some of his beliefs in the healthcare thread to get to know more about were he is comming from before I "label" him. I hold nothing against him just because we have differences. We just have differences, that simple. Others ask for for insults by insulting.
I truely believe I can get along with just about anyone nomatter our beliefs, as long as we dont bring up stuff that bug each other and argue about it all the time.
MeanGirls; those who act like jerks in order to keep "undesirables" quiet. See: Toddster, Patrick, Fierobear, tony Kania, 84fiero123, fierofetish, etc. etc. Can be any political background, refers to tactics like accusing people of insurance fraud, uncle incest, and other low tactics.
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