Alright, my life is pretty pathetic. My sophomore year of highschool I pretty much dropped out of school due to medical reasons. I'd show up once in a while when I felt like it, and on test days because our schools grading scale was tests being 75% of our grade. I'd ace the tests and walk away with my 75% at the end of the semester. Near the end of my sophomore, I finally convinced my parents to take me to the hospital, they put me down for a while and went in with cameras and knifes to figure out what was wrong. Turns out I had 4 bleeding ulcers in my stomach and the natural pills my parents were forcing me to take (papaya enzymes) they said helped them were actually acting as meat tenderizers and making my problem worse. Went back to school my junior year to realize how far behind I was on credits. I ended up finding a program, which was pretty much a living hell, or a highschool bootcamp as others called it. Upon enrollment, everyone would take an exam to see where they stood, they would do a 12 week course starting at that level, and quickly moving up from there. Unfortunately, I maxed out their tests and landed myself in the 99 percentile of everything, so I was stuck with college material for those 12 weeks, at one point I was actually doing the teachers math homework. At the end of the 12 weeks we would test again and whatever score we received, we would obtain a waiver for that and had to complete the rest in a traditional school. Once again I maxed out the test and recieved my waiver for up to grade level 13 which is the highest they went. In order for it to be valid, I had to complete my senior year of highschool, which I did. Now I am stuck without a G.E.D. or a diploma, but rather a waiver. I am stuck in many odd scenarios because of this. When filing government documents, they do not choose the normal G.E.D, diploma, or none, rather they fill out N/A, unless it has listed highschool diploma or equivalent. I am considering going to go get a G.E.D. even though it is valued lower than what I currently have just to solve all of the confusion.

I'm really here to see what your opinions are on the matter. I'm 21, still living with my mother. Been slowly saving to purchase my own place, I really don't want money going down the drain by renting/paying someone elses house payment.... I really don't want to go to school to have someone try to shove knowledge down my throat, I pick things up very quickly, school just feels like a bunch of busywork. Yes, there are a few classes I do want to take on subjects that I just can't grasp on my own. I just don't want to go and take 4 years of math and english which I pick up quickly anyways, I feel like it would be a waste of time and money. Some have suggested a technical school which I know nothing about. They explain it as I can take just the class I want, nothing else. Some have said it is possible to go to the college and take a class and just get a certification rather than a degree. I know nothing about higher education. Honestly, haven't taken the time to look either and I know I should. The main class I have had my eyes on, I think is called MIS. Though that is just a recommendation from a friend after telling him what I want to learn and do. I want to get into computers, I know that. I really want to learn more about the internet specifically. I know internet may possibly be dead in the near future with all of this legal stuff going on, but I still want to try and jump on the bandwagon as it fascinates me. More or less, I want to learn about what really makes it tick. I have a buddy who is into internet security. Watching him work is mind boggling to me. Fascinates me because it is something hard for me to understand. He sits back and reads every packet sent and revived through a network and understands it. He never went to school for it, just got lucky and worked his way into it. I don't see myself getting lucky like that. I want a little something more to wave in an employers face that yells pick me, because right now I understand I am self-taught joe who might not know anything. It is a big risk most employers aren't willing to take right now.

I got way off track there but ohwell. It is late, I need to get to bed. I'm just going to post now and fix my mistakes tomorrow rather than try and read what I just typed.. If anyone bothered to read the mess and understand or has some advice on what I should do, let me know.

Join the Army.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Join the Army.

Thats just what I was gonna say. Take the ASVAB then decide which branch and military occupation. The Army tho? Frig them, join the Seabees!! lol

Get the GED
I don't know what its like up there but here you can just go take the test. If you pass they give you a diploma.

I would say a good path for you may be to get your GED, then join the military. I'll explain why.

First, do not skimp on getting your GED. It's not in the long run "valued lower" as you may think. With a GED, you can still get into four year universities - you may have to enter a community college, however the chance for college entry is still there. I think the current thing you have - a "waiver" - is just going to continuously confuse people. At least with a GED it will firmly show you finished & attained high school education level, which thus gives you a solid chance to enter college. I know you said you don't want college, but I don't think you realize what having that higher education would do for your life.

And the reason why I point out college is there is something people really need to realize, and not talking about people specifically saying it here but I hear it more and more when talking to people and apparently you are hearing it from people also - the old "trades" are quickly going away. Going to something like a "trade" or technical school in modern times is going to get you nowhere fast. One, most of these schools are either for profit, are extremely difficult to afford, or you cannot obtain financial aid for them, thus it makes it ridiculously difficult to get in. Second, you are "locked" into whatever that trade is that you have studied for. If you went to a tech school for welding, you're going to be stuck welding.

Remember that the average American worker will change jobs six to eight times over their lifetime. Going to a normal college university, even if it isn't for a specific degree, opens more doors than people may realize. Having firm upper level education behind your back shows employers you are likely going to be reliable & dedicated to your work. And you don't have to go to college for any specific right now. I didn't declare a college major until two years in.

So why did I mention military as the second part? Here's why. There is a growing trend among all employers of "veteran's preference." It has existed in the Federal Government forever, but is becoming more and more apparent in the private sector as well since we are getting veterans back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Basically, when issues arise at the workplace - needing to layoff people, needing to hire new people, etc. - veterans get preferred treatment. Veterans would be the last likely ones to be laid off or the likely ones to be hired.

However, while the military is great, you're not going to obtain the best "education" to assist you in the workforce. The military is a great thing for learning a tremendous amount of skills and ideologies. You still would be at a tremendous advantage however to get some upper level college education under your belt. Hence, the best pathway for you might be; GED -> some college -> military.

I have a younger brother who is your age, around 22. He is currently unemployed, has an actual high school education, has talked about going to trade schools, and doesn't seem to has aspiration for higher learning or military. I think this situation is dangerous. Remember that currently there are many with actual BA's and Master Deg.'s that cannot find jobs - I should know as I know people personally in those situations. If you're having to compete with people that have actually finished their college degrees to find jobs, then without some upper level college or military service you are going to be at a tremendous disadvantage for your life.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Get the GED I don't know what its like up there but here you can just go take the test. If you pass they give you a diploma.

Times two here.
Get it if you want to, but why ? I can see the societal reason but I don't buy too much into it. A personal achievement reason I would understand more. I should have graduated in 1977 but had dropped out. I got my GED in 1990, all those years later, by just passing the test. (I was pleased that what I learned, I actually did learn. I know of graduates, past and present, who are dumber than rocks.) Being a drop out with no GED did not keep me from getting a job. Likely I would have been suspect, and even disqualified, from many jobs but I still had opportunities. I was even the Night Auditor/Night Manager (math my weakest/non existent strength) at Holiday Inn at twenty years old and held that job for two years till I changed careers and started roughnecking.

quote Originally posted by Shill: He never went to school for it, just got lucky and worked his way into it. I don't see myself getting lucky like that. I want a little something more to wave in an employers face that yells pick me, because right now I understand I am self-taught joe who might not know anything. It is a big risk most employers aren't willing to take right now.

Luck, if there is such a thing, is something you make. The same with opportunity. They work both ways too. Why don't you see yourself getting lucky like that ? Lack of confidence ? An easy fix. Accomplish something. Then, you can work yourself into something else just like your buddy. You didn't say how your buddy got lucky, hmm.
You want a little more something to waive in an employers face ? Try confidence. Which you can only gain by accomplishing something, even something small. Try perseverance. Something only which can be demonstrated. Try loyalty, again demonstrated. Try humility. The best thing to waive in an employers face is experience, and that would not just include job subject knowledge. Everybody works their way into their next opportunity, like your buddy. I am still doing that today.
What you gotta do is move out of your Mom's house. You can't support a company if you can not support yourself. I am a survivor. I had to be and it is what made/makes me. Failure helped immensely. I appreciate every failure I achieved, if you want to talk about school to keep it on topic, . What you gotta do is take risks, nothing better than laying it on the line to keep you focused on success. You also gotta understand that the world is not made up of instant gratification. That's why they call it work and you will be working the rest of your life, and not just for pay.

quote Originally posted by Shill: I really want to learn more about the internet specifically. I know internet may possibly be dead in the near future with all of this legal stuff going on, but I still want to try and jump on the bandwagon as it fascinates me. More or less, I want to learn about what really makes it tick.

The internet. I can see possibilities but am too dumb to evaluate. Computers change every six months, the internet is bound to also. Big money has been made in the web world. You may be right that the internet may not offer good job prospects as many a Internet Technology PFF member has posted the market is tough. It's only gonna get tougher. Just like the Gold Rush, and all other boom jobs, as the word gets out, everybody wants to do it. It's gonna take more than a piece of paper.
I was gonna ask you what you wanted to do. You said you really wanted to learn the internet. Don't 'cha want to make money ? I guess IT pays well enough. Not to start, I would think. Though starting at a lower wage is the cost of real world education. If you are gonna pay the price of a real world education, you might pick a subject which you think will still be around.

quote Originally posted by Shill: I got way off track there but ohwell. It is late, I need to get to bed.

Not much opportunity to be gained sleeping all day. The early bird gets the worm.

Well, he won't get into the Army without a GED. Even with a GED he likely won't get into the Army without some college under his belt.

quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: And the reason why I point out college is there is something people really need to realize, and not talking about people specifically saying it here but I hear it more and more when talking to people and apparently you are hearing it from people also - the old "trades" are quickly going away. Going to something like a "trade" or technical school in modern times is going to get you nowhere fast. One, most of these schools are either for profit, are extremely difficult to afford, or you cannot obtain financial aid for them, thus it makes it ridiculously difficult to get in. Second, you are "locked" into whatever that trade is that you have studied for. If you went to a tech school for welding, you're going to be stuck welding.

I have not the time just now to offer a different perspective.
Bump for reference.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I have not the time just now to offer a different perspective. Bump for reference.

Times change Cliff, and tho there is still a lot of opportunity in skilled labor, it's getting harder and harder to find a trade that doesn't require a lot of education. I did it--you did it and you still are, but we gained experience back when there wasn't a lot of complex technlogy involved--got in on the ground floor so to speak and it was a lot easier to advance with the changes. If I were to return to your filed, I'd likely be lost because it's changed so much just since I've been away from it. As I said in another thread, people like yhe Bdub will probably make more $$ in his very first full year of work than you or I ever made in our most productive year--and he will do less physical work, and will probably end the day still wearing clean clothes and without aching all over.

I have to agree with 84fierofreak--education is where it's at. Even my wife is returning to school this fall to get a nursing degree and she's in her 40s. Just because we are in an economic downturn right now, with lots of college grads flipping burgers or out of work, it's not going to be that way forever, and for every degreed person who can't find work, I bet there are also 2-4 blue collar workers in the same boat.

Go to school Shill. It's an investment for the future--just try not to incur a lot of debt while doing it.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: Go to school Shill. It's an investment for the future--just try not to incur a lot of debt while doing it.

I agree based on what my now grown & out on their own children have done.

My kids were lucky in that I committed to them to finance their undergraduate degrees. In investigating college costs, the best bang-for-the-buck college education BY FAR is to do your first 2 years at a community college that is credit transferable to a university. Do whatever you have to do to keep college debt to a minimum. My daughter-in-law wasn't as lucky as my son was - and has 30 grand in college debt. That college debt is a real PITA when you are newly married and already have enough of life's bills.

Get your GED first. What do you want to do with your life? What kind of career are you interested in? Joining one of the armed forces might be able to point you in the direction you need to go.

quote Originally posted by weloveour86se: Thats just what I was gonna say. Take the ASVAB then decide which branch and military occupation. The Army tho? Frig them, join the Seabees!! lol

SeeBees ???...yeh, if ya like hard work ...Learn to fly ....ya get to sit on yer azz, and the hardest thing ya do is sweat (and ya will do LOTS of that on a back-course with a motor out )

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Times change Cliff, ...

I know that, agree with you. The rotary table still turns to the right. Though, we do drill sideways now, .

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Go to school Shill.

Can't disagree with your here either.

quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: ... the old "trades" are quickly going away.

Yea, you are right too. We don't need no lamp pole lamp lighters, though the carriage business did evolve. Heh, the horse business still is big money. What is the saying ? Everything old is new again ?

quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: Going to something like a "trade" or technical school in modern times is going to get you nowhere fast. One, most of these schools are either for profit, are extremely difficult to afford, or you cannot obtain financial aid for them, thus it makes it ridiculously difficult to get in. Second, you are "locked" into whatever that trade is that you have studied for.

My my my. You just described college. Including the "going to get you nowhere fast" part. Yeah well, it is a more technically advanced world. Blah blah blah. It always has been.
Some old trades do go away. The value in others are hidden. Used to be, apprenticeship was the ticket and it still applies today. Apprenticeship is still education. Call it "riding on coat tails" if you want.
Eh, ran out of time again.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Go to school Shill. It's an investment for the future--just try not to incur a lot of debt while doing it.

Apprenticeship. It even works after a college career.

The Army National Guard has a GED program where you join, they send you to recruit training, but before you actually go to training they put you through a GED program, then training. You can go Active duty after AIT (and 6 months in a guard unit).

The Army (Active duty) Navy and AF will not even talk to many applicants s without a GED (many branches prefer an HSD).

Due to the lousy economy they are being choosy, and it will get worse with the impending draw-down of forces.

Get your GED ASAP!

Check out your local community college they have many technical degrees and certificate programs. Tuition is $95 per credit hour which is pretty good.
http://cis.scc.spokane.edu/?cisnet
I would do the certificate program first because it’s half the hours required for the degree and you can complete the degree later.

One way to increase your chances of getting a job after graduation is to find an internship program (that means working for free while building your skills). Some college students pass on this opportunity because they are to busy partying, they are also some of the ones camping and protesting they can’t get a job.

Don’t rule out apprenticeship programs as they pay you while you learn. Your local community college has 19 programs. http://www.scc.spokane.edu/?apprent

As a retired military person I normally would have said join the military. However because of the down sizing that has already begun without a high school diploma it will be difficult for you to join. They always adjust the qualifying standards when fewer numbers of recruits are needed. Of course if you really want to, don’t let anyone discourage you from joining. I joined with a GED and started as a Private (E-1) and made it to Sergeant Major (E-9), I did however get my degree while serving thru night/online classes.

You can make your life whatever you want it to be, it just takes action. I always ask myself if I would have started “this” 10 years ago where I would be today. Don’t wait 10 years and ask yourself where you would be if I had gotten my GED.

If you pick things up that quickly, get the GED and go into Engineering at a 4 year university. (you may have to start with a 2 year Engineering Technology degree at a Tech School, but much of that will transer over). Studying Engineering you'll quickly find out where your ability to pick up things quickly runs out.
Once you find something that challenges you, you may be more interested. But don't blow it off because it's "boring" if you haven't mastered it yet. You have to actually do it before you can say you can do it.

Other than that, I agree the military is a good option. GED, then military, then get out and go to college. If you don't want to do college, I'd recommend a trade school. Become a welder, carpenter, or other type of skilled labor. Skilled labor will be in demand in the future because blue collar jobs are seen as inferior to white collar and most people push for the college degree (much like I just did). If college isn't for you, that's fine - but find something else to excel in. If I had it to do over, I'd probably take some welding and metal fabrication courses. (I still might, just to have the skills for my personal use)

I'll be more pessimistic and say you won't ever do anything or go to school. You'll be a basement boy for the rest of your life.

I have no advice to give other than reality.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'll be more pessimistic and say you won't ever do anything or go to school. You'll be a basement boy for the rest of your life. I have no advice to give other than reality.

Translation:

Take our advice to heart. Get up and go do something. And get that HSD or GED!

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'll be more pessimistic and say you won't ever do anything or go to school. You'll be a basement boy for the rest of your life. I have no advice to give other than reality.

Throw him on the back of a horse.....ya learn to count life expaancy in seconds...ya hope for 8 of them, but reality is ya got 4....

Ya know, there is a good reson I fix machines for a living

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Translation: Take our advice to heart. Get up and go do something. And get that HSD or GED!

Yep.

Why would i need to get a ged if i was just going to head straight to college anyways?

quote Originally posted by Shill: Why would i need to get a ged if i was just going to head straight to college anyways?

Most if not all colleges require a GED/HSD for admission.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Most if not all colleges require a GED/HSD for admission.

Which i have the equivalent. I meet all the requirements for the schools, minus the funding.

quote Originally posted by Shill: I'm just going to post now and fix my mistakes tomorrow

I'm sure you meant mistakes in this post and not in your life - right?

quote Originally posted by Shill: Which i have the equivalent. I meet all the requirements for the schools, minus the funding.

Go to the colleges and see if they will accept that

quote Which i have the equivalent. I meet all the requirements for the schools, minus the funding.

If you join the armed forces they can help you with your funding problems.

You sound very dis-interested in going to college and sounds like your a smart guy. Bite the bullet and go to college using student loans or whatever you can.
Start at a community college if you have to, but you will find it to be invaluable in the end. I speak to you from experience and having a similar start in life.
I was very much like you are at your age. I felt I had a lot to offer and also picked things up quickly. I would rarely do my homework because once I got it I struggled with doing the same thing over and over. Passed my tests but ended up being a avg student from lack of turning in homework.

Anyway I got a 2 year college degree in drafting and design and figured I would get in on the ground floor understand whats going on and work my way up. Which I did in the engineering community. I eventually became an engineer and then program manager. The problem is times are changing and as unemployment rises employers can be more picky. So those guys that may be very good at what they do and just as smart as the next guy will not get hired over the guy with that little piece of paper.
That degree is a little piece of job security. It will open so many doors for you.

I know it sucks and it seems like your throwing money to an institution to teach you a lot of stuff you'll never need again or something you may already know. But trust me you will learn something and gaining knowledge about things your not necessarily interested in will broaden you as an individual.

So, if you're 21, the simple answer is to get a GED. You need to have a high school equivelency to really do anything other than fast food.

Now, back when I started getting into computers as a career field, I don't want to say things were NEW... since computers had been around since the ENIAC in the 50s (or whenever it was), but in the mid 90s, most people weren't on the internet, or at best, they had Prodigy or AOL or something. There really weren't any degrees available back then anyway. As I worked from one company to the next, I built up experience, contacts, and knowledge. So with the prior years of experience, I was able to progress from job to job, without having a college degree. I made it pretty far.

For most people today (in the computer field), unless you have a college degree, people will pass you up over someone else that does. Unless of course you have the very specific skills that they are looking for.

When I first went to college at 18, I dropped out immediately. Actually, to tell the truth, I didn't end up getting my associates degree until 12 years after that. It's not that I went to school full time for 12 years, it's just that I wasn't that interested, and I took classes here and there. Once in a while, I'd get interested again and take a class. About 5 years ago I actually got really serious, banged out my last few classes in my associates degre, and then immediately hit the books towards a bachelors degree. All the classes that I've taken in the past 5 years have all been straight As, because I've been motivated. When I was younger though, my grades were horrible because I just wasn't interested.

As a young kid... working towards a degree always made me feel good. It always made me felt that, even when I did get laid off from a job, that I was still "moving forward." Does that make sense?

I know what you're saying about you not wanting to have your head filled with crap, but understand that as you get older, your mind will change (hopefully for the better). You go through a lot of stages in your life where you just "wake up" to a new level of maturity (I think?)

When I was 21, I had somewhat of an epiphany, not sure exactly what it was, but I just felt a bit more responsible. I took things a bit more serious, and I wanted to continue being more responsible.

However, it's never good to have the mindset of not wanting to learn something, because you think you already know it. Having been in the programming field for over 11 years already, I went ahead and got a Software Engineering degree for my bachelors (my associates was a Computer Science degree). Truth be told, I could have taught all of those classes, but I went into each class with an open mind, wanting to learn anything and everything. You'll find that a lot of these college types tend to have a more "classical" training that you wouldn't otherwise get just from pure experience. It's not all that it's cracked up to be, but it certainly adds a good perspective to what you might already know (or don't). Because I was eager and willing to learn, even on a topic that I was considered an "expert" in, I actually ended up learning a LOT. You quickly realize that it's pretty much impossible to know everything there is to know about whatever it is. Take Fieros for example, I've been wrenching on them and taking them apart for 16 years... I've owned at least 9 of them, and I probably don't know half of what some of the guys on here know.

You'll also find that as you narrow your schooling focus, classes actually get easier (for you). My associates degree was filled with a lot of courses that really don't have anything to do with my career... but they are intended to make you more well rounded. You have to take them, so might as well learn something I suppose. I wasn't worried about suddenly being turned into a Democrat. Bachelors was easier than my Associates, and my Masters Degree (which I'm working on now) is actually even easier than my bachelors, and significantly easier than my associates.


If I were you, I'd want to get out there, and start my life. You're 21, you shouldn't be living with your parents unless you're Hispanic (the rules are different, don't ask). You should go on roommates.com, and see if someone near you is looking for a roommate. If the location is good, and the rent is decent, you can start renting a place with someone your own age. You'll be amazed at how quickly your life will start to grow. You'll want to pick your friends wisely... only keep yourself in good company. Sometimes, you outgrow friends because they never grow up...


Anyway...

I don't feel like they would cram me full of junk, i feel they would cram me full of stuff I already have.

Like teaching your dog to roll over, are you going to ask him to lie down when he is already on the floor? He's just going to lie there and do nothing. Only difference is that the dog will probably enjoy the attention. Most of the stuff they want me to to take as a pre-requisite for these classes is stuff that I already know, or can easily learn on my own at a faster pace. No sense in paying someone to slow me down. Unfortunately, looks like i'm going to have to anyways.

Side note, a joke I thought of while posting that I haven't heard in a while...
If you doubt that dog is man's best friend, try the following: lock your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car. After an hour, who is still happy to see you?

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At least at the community college I go to, you can test out of classes.... so if you're smarter, perhaps you can blow off a bunch of math classes just by taking the placing tests (or whatever classes)... might cost a little money though.

Is a 4 year college really going to train you to do a job in your major? Not really. The honest answer is that that diploma represents that you can stick through and accomplish something. It's the start of a track record that employers are looking for.

A 2 year tech school is more directed at teaching you a specific trade... And to show that you can stick through and accomplish something.

Ha good joke.

Anyway you might be able to take placement tests. I took one and I was able to obtain credit for English 101 without even having to take the class, so I moved right on to English 102 my first semester.

Also with my math. Most people start out at Math 042 or 108. Once again, I was able to skip all of that and take Math 130. So you may be able to already get credit for those easier classes by taking the SAT or ACT and the Compass (For NIC anyway).

quote Originally posted by Shill: I really don't want to go to school to have someone try to shove knowledge down my throat, I pick things up very quickly, school just feels like a bunch of busywork.

A lot depends on where you go to school. High school, I drifted. Made A's like James Bond kills people, nonchalantly. Did everything, just to stay interested. Debate team. Tennis team. Made gunpowder. (Fortunately, the statute of limitations has run on that one).

Had the good luck to go to university at a place where there were people (ok, pretty much everyone) as smart (and smarter) than me. Makes a difference. Being "good" in that kind of environment is tough. No matter how fast you are, you have to understand when you're listening to someone who's smarter than you are, or when you're listening to someone who's not as smart as you are, but who has put in the time to have a greater overall mass of knowledge that you do. You can learn from the latter group, too.

I understand what you're saying about busywork. Find a place where it feels like getting an education is like trying to take a drink from a fire hose. Stay the course, there. You'll be home.

Get the GED, the tests for it are way too easy. Joining the military, they want you to have a GED at the least. You can get your GED in boot camp; I did not know this and was not told this by my recruiter, so I put off enlisting for a couple of years because of that. You can believe I was pretty upset when I found out that you can get your GED in boot camp.

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As someone who has made hiring decisions. I wouldn't consider your waiver "more valuable than a GED". I think based upon your post you are lazy. You couldn't even be bothered to do your schoolwork. Not everything in life is for your enjoyment. I am betting you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. I finished in the 99 percentile all through school, you aren't special. This isn't me bragging, I am telling you, I am not special either. You talk about a friend who "lucked out" into something. I have had friends say this to me. FYI. I didn't "luck out" into anything. If I lost it all today, I could/can/would be back in the same way. To the point of your life being pathetic, I agree. I was moved out before I was 21. I would have left sooner, but it was called "helping my mother make ends meet". I don't understand how you are "saving" to move out. Put some money together and move out. You keep talking about not wasting money on rent, but you build PCs, have a hobby car and are laying around playing video games.

Things you need to do. Grow up. Stop mooching and freeloading. Go work some manual labor in the heat. See yourself in a realistic light. Realize how terrible manual labor is and get an education.

I think you should do some research on some people who have had a tough life. Maybe you would appreciate all the things/opportunities that you have and have squandered.


1. You are white.
2. You are a male.
3. You live in the US.
4. You are at least middle class.

All of those equal unlimited opportunity and an unfair advantage. If your life isn't everything you want, the common denominator is you and how bad you suck at life. Trust me on this one.

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You're suspect.

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quote Originally posted by ls3mach: As someone who has made hiring decisions. I wouldn't consider your waiver "more valuable than a GED". I think based upon your post you are lazy. You couldn't even be bothered to do your schoolwork. Not everything in life is for your enjoyment. I am betting you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. I finished in the 99 percentile all through school, you aren't special. This isn't me bragging, I am telling you, I am not special either. You talk about a friend who "lucked out" into something. I have had friends say this to me. FYI. I didn't "luck out" into anything. If I lost it all today, I could/can/would be back in the same way. To the point of your life being pathetic, I agree. I was moved out before I was 21. I would have left sooner, but it was called "helping my mother make ends meet". I don't understand how you are "saving" to move out. Put some money together and move out. You keep talking about not wasting money on rent, but you build PCs, have a hobby car and are laying around playing video games. Things you need to do. Grow up. Stop mooching and freeloading. Go work some manual labor in the heat. See yourself in a realistic light. Realize how terrible manual labor is and get an education. I think you should do some research on some people who have had a tough life. Maybe you would appreciate all the things/opportunities that you have and have squandered. 1. You are white. 2. You are a male. 3. You live in the US. 4. You are at least middle class. All of those equal unlimited opportunity and an unfair advantage. If your life isn't everything you want, the common denominator is you and how bad you suck at life. Trust me on this one.

Not very often do I agree with you but I have to here..
I was thinking the same thing and even in my post above as I stated how my HS experience was similar it was indeed because I was lazy.
Things came easy for me and I just assumed they always would.. Yes getting out in the world will open those eyes up and make you aware just how little you know..
Once heard this: You dont know what you dont know.. So thinking you know a lot just shows what little you actually know.

quote Originally posted by rstubie: Not very often do I agree with you but I have to here..

That's because I am an ******* !

I don't think a lot of people like my style of portraying reality either, doesn't change it from being true though.