This is Firegirl on Shill's computer once again.
So my friend up and moved to Minnesota about a week or two ago, for his insulation job. I was talking to him today and he did offer me a very easy job that he needs filled. He explained that said job requires lifting a 30lb bag and filling up the machine when it gets low, and turning it off when needed, for $40 an hour (Really only $40 per job but it takes an hour to an hour and 20min for one job). I told him I wasn't interested but I told Shill who seemed to be interested in it.

After finding out some answers this is what we've got so far (I'm going off the texts so sorry for the random order): We have to pay our way there, but my friend is coming back in a month to get his truck, and he offered to drive us there for free, since the company is paying for his gas, so technically we could get a free ride there. When we do get there, they will provide you an apartment for free for as long as you work with the company, but you will have roommates, about 3-4. However, since I would like to move with him, but not work for the company, we would have to get our own apartment anyway, as there is no reason they should pay for me staying there.

The average work day is 4 hours, which is $800-$1200 a week, during the slow season. When it gets busy, he says to expect $1600 a week. It's a full time job, 15 miles south of Minneapolis, in Burnsville. There is no guarantee on the number of jobs, but he's never made less than $500 a week, and there's lots of ways to earn bonuses and extra pay.

So all in all it seems like a good job. The reason we are unsure is because we don't want to move over there and buy a house or apartment, then he gets let go and we are stuck. It doesn't seem like it will happen but you never know. What do you guys think? We have as long as we want to answer, but if we answer before a month we can get the free ride.

Also, for me personally: What's the weather like out there? I've heard it's horrible winters and hot summers, which is not what I want, but this seems like a good job to get some cash for a house, so I wouldn't mind putting up with the snow..

Job sounds great...actually a little too great. I would definitely do some more research into this company before taking a plunge.

As for the weather, the area you are talking about is about a 2 hour drive north of me so we get the same weather. I guess I grew up with it so it doesn't really bother me, I actually like it because there is an actual change in the seasons. You will get really cold shots (for a week or two) in January-February and then really muggy/hot shots in July-August but I would say overall the weather is quite pleasant. Heck, 2 weeks ago it hit dang near 60 degrees.

Also, I'm not sure of the cost of living where you are at right now, but usually the midwest's cost of living is cheaper than a lot of the country (not always).

didn't read all of her post, but the apartment is shared with the rest of the company,

1. i hate apartments
2. do i trust some random joe sleeping next to me?

also, probably want to leave my completely rust free fiero back here in the northwest, so i would be without a vehicle for some time.

name of company is rocky mt insulation.

was given this address
gormi.com which redirects to rockymountaininsulation.net

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Job really does sound too good to be true.

Firegirl says: Yeah I can understand that. I have known my friend for about a year. I worked with him at a theme park, and he actually got me a job where he used to work. He's been in the insulation business for 2-3 years, and I really don't see him as a guy who wants to screw us over on this sort of stuff, but I will say you never know! Which is why we're on here asking about it.

He actually just told me now that if we get our own place there, instead of using the free apartment, the job probably wouldn't be worth it. Our roommates would be him and I guess a guy he knows, so they wouldn't be completely random people. The contracts to sign is one saying you won't take this idea somewhere else, you won't mess up the apartments, or do drugs in them.

I mentioned again that I wouldn't be working at the company, and if that would be ok if I still lived there? I wouldn't be a mooch, I'd go looking for a job first thing. But he said that's something he has to talk to the owners about that.

HI all

I can't say much more about the job, what was said pretty much does seem to be of interest and would seem to be a concern, and since you have time on your hands, that part almost seems covered. The weather? I moved to MN, north of Minneapolis in '90, summer of that year actually. The weather wasn't much different yet, as I had moved from MI. That first winter though, what a wake up call!! The first snowfall of that year on halloween actually, was like 23-25 inches all in one night! I luved it at first, but also developed into what locals of this area call a freeze baby, I think it defines itsef, sorry but you are asking a big deal with the move being so big. It took somewhere close to 5-7 years before I got used to the colder winters, and since your from a wet climate, the summers here in the midwest? MUGGY! The part noone likes, well can't say noone but for the most part almost noone likes the HUMIDITY, think of any time you spent in a sauna, and then compare that to being outside, not as hot but the closest you could come to a midwest summer when its in full swing. The seasons are awesome! I just learnt the other day actually, but the midwest is one of if not thee best area in the world for growing a variety of plants, so you being a girl your flower season might bloom. But that is something you probably know alot more than I thus far, an area of recent interest myself.

When it all comes down to it, the biggest issue isn't where am I going to work, its being away from your family. Once the newness factor of the adventure wears down, that is one of the first things you'll notice for sure, but then again this area could also become a life for you too. Your covering all the good questions so far, but this one is the real one to face, but if there is some personal things you would like to know more about that might help you see this area as home to by all means ask away.

The winter holds many different livelyhoods, from ice-carving to a wedding outside about a week ago, which incidently might be on of MN's first, or at least the first I ever heard of. There is also a winter festival, complete with an igloo or block of snow-ice, harder than then the powder of fresh sking or snowboarding, and hopefully as strong as the ice in your freezer, but this igloo thing is a castle, one big enough you can actually cruise through its inside. I first learnt to ice-skate here, and if you want to try that, I got thee best way how, the way I was taught. I wanted to try hockey skates, and a friend who knew how to skate said he'd teach me, what times! I think it took me 3 days to notice that I was skating like someone who's been doing it for years. The secret? We both had hockey sticks, and he told me to try and get the puck from him. That was the lesson, I never had the time to notice that what I was doing was brand new, so how could it fail me and make me fall. OF course if you would rather learn to skate with figure skates, a couple years ago I saw a small child with a metal chair pushing it in front of them so they wouldn't fall so much.

As far as the climate for driving, the winter is probably the worst actaully. Its like the people forgot last year, and have to relearn all over again. But that could be the Scandinavin in people, if you saw the movie Thor, it is in these people to not be outdone by others, so I guess you could say we are fighting the weather too, in some odd way. Of course that rise to a challenge would be present in any culture. If you could give me a day or so for me to ask around, Scandinavin people populate this area amongst the most, Germans, that pretty much covers all I know really. Whats missing in yur post, is you. So what kinds of things speak to you, draw your attention, the larger your list the easier your transition could be when you do arrive.

I don't want to sound as if I am implying that since your a girl, you like shopping, but MN is home of the biggest mall in our Country. If you'd like to get an idea on its size, look it up, just be preparted to spend the WHOLE day your first time, lol. No matter how much anyone trys to tell you how great this area is, with its people and its culture, non of it will tell you wether or not you will want to be apart from the people in your life now. And that is the best one to ask. Every time a question came to me in life, involving moving to another area, even a college, my first thought was family. I grew up shy, still am in some ways, so having someone close by, in person, when I had things to talk about was pretty much the main reason. That is me though, you on the other hand could turn this town upside down with your beat.

quote Originally posted by pavo_roddy: HI all I can't say much more about the job, what was said pretty much does seem to be of interest and would seem to be a concern, and since you have time on your hands, that part almost seems covered. The weather? I moved to MN, north of Minneapolis in '90, summer of that year actually. The weather wasn't much different yet, as I had moved from MI. That first winter though, what a wake up call!! The first snowfall of that year on halloween actually, was like 23-25 inches all in one night! I luved it at first, but also developed into what locals of this area call a freeze baby, I think it defines itsef, sorry but you are asking a big deal with the move being so big. It took somewhere close to 5-7 years before I got used to the colder winters, and since your from a wet climate, the summers here in the midwest? MUGGY! The part noone likes, well can't say noone but for the most part almost noone likes the HUMIDITY, think of any time you spent in a sauna, and then compare that to being outside, not as hot but the closest you could come to a midwest summer when its in full swing. The seasons are awesome! I just learnt the other day actually, but the midwest is one of if not thee best area in the world for growing a variety of plants, so you being a girl your flower season might bloom. But that is something you probably know alot more than I thus far, an area of recent interest myself. When it all comes down to it, the biggest issue isn't where am I going to work, its being away from your family. Once the newness factor of the adventure wears down, that is one of the first things you'll notice for sure, but then again this area could also become a life for you too. Your covering all the good questions so far, but this one is the real one to face, but if there is some personal things you would like to know more about that might help you see this area as home to by all means ask away. The winter holds many different livelyhoods, from ice-carving to a wedding outside about a week ago, which incidently might be on of MN's first, or at least the first I ever heard of. There is also a winter festival, complete with an igloo or block of snow-ice, harder than then the powder of fresh sking or snowboarding, and hopefully as strong as the ice in your freezer, but this igloo thing is a castle, one big enough you can actually cruise through its inside. I first learnt to ice-skate here, and if you want to try that, I got thee best way how, the way I was taught. I wanted to try hockey skates, and a friend who knew how to skate said he'd teach me, what times! I think it took me 3 days to notice that I was skating like someone who's been doing it for years. The secret? We both had hockey sticks, and he told me to try and get the puck from him. That was the lesson, I never had the time to notice that what I was doing was brand new, so how could it fail me and make me fall. OF course if you would rather learn to skate with figure skates, a couple years ago I saw a small child with a metal chair pushing it in front of them so they wouldn't fall so much. As far as the climate for driving, the winter is probably the worst actaully. Its like the people forgot last year, and have to relearn all over again. But that could be the Scandinavin in people, if you saw the movie Thor, it is in these people to not be outdone by others, so I guess you could say we are fighting the weather too, in some odd way. Of course that rise to a challenge would be present in any culture. If you could give me a day or so for me to ask around, Scandinavin people populate this area amongst the most, Germans, that pretty much covers all I know really. Whats missing in yur post, is you. So what kinds of things speak to you, draw your attention, the larger your list the easier your transition could be when you do arrive. I don't want to sound as if I am implying that since your a girl, you like shopping, but MN is home of the biggest mall in our Country. If you'd like to get an idea on its size, look it up, just be preparted to spend the WHOLE day your first time, lol. No matter how much anyone trys to tell you how great this area is, with its people and its culture, non of it will tell you wether or not you will want to be apart from the people in your life now. And that is the best one to ask. Every time a question came to me in life, involving moving to another area, even a college, my first thought was family. I grew up shy, still am in some ways, so having someone close by, in person, when I had things to talk about was pretty much the main reason. That is me though, you on the other hand could turn this town upside down with your beat.

Wow what a long response! The first thing that pops into my mind is that I hate winter! haha I love saunas but I don't know if I would actually want to live in one. I really am not sure if it would be a place I want to live but if the job is good for some extra cash, maybe I wouldn't mind a temporary move and just deal with it. Actually, I don't mind winter, it's the driving in the snow that makes me absolutely hate winter! haha so I'll have to get a job close by

About the family? Eh. My whole family lives in Cali and I never see them. My brother and his wife and daughter will be moving to Seattle soon, and my parents just sort of drive me crazy and treat me like a little kid, so being away from them would be nice. I know I will miss them eventually, so their visits every now and then will be nice!

A lot of it, I think, is that Shill and I are so ready, mentally, to get out of here and move somewhere nicer! But financially it is impossible (to live comfortably). Shill doesn't want to spend (or to him, waste) any money on an apartment, we want to have our own house where we can work on cars and blare music at 2am

It's a big decision, and I'm sure I still have many unanswered questions that I have not thought of.

I learned during trucking you never believe what your told about a job.,.. they always glorify it..Werner said Id be making 70K a year.. i wasent even breaking 40K..

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: I learned during trucking you never believe what your told about a job.,.. they always glorify it..Werner said Id be making 70K a year.. i wasent even breaking 40K..

Exactly my concern... Sure they say $40 per job, but can't guarantee atleast 2 jobs per day.

Yeah, $40/hr sounds great, but in reality, it may be closer to:
$40/day
$200/week.

But, ya get to move to Minnesota in mid-January, live with strangers, and mix insulation.
Some benefits, ya just can't put a value on.

At $40 per hour they can't find any locals? I highly doubt that. So what's the catch?

quote Originally posted by carnut122: At $40 per hour they can't find any locals? I highly doubt that. So what's the catch?

This reminds me of the movie where the guy takes a job in a faraway city and once he gets there, he finds out its just temporary, until the regulars there settle their strike. Then he's booted back where he came from.

However as someone who loves winter, I'd enjoy living in Minnesota.

And I have to add: Have you ever actually worked with insulation? Itchy, scratchy, nasty insulation? That gets in your skin, your nose, your lungs? Tossing heavy bags of fluff around on a hot, sticky summer day, with billions of particles just waiting to stick to your sweaty body?

I'm getting all itchy just thinking about it....

(That came across as kinda weird, didn't it?)

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Yeah, $40/hr sounds great, but in reality, it may be closer to: $40/day $200/week. But, ya get to move to Minnesota in mid-January, live with strangers, and mix insulation. Some benefits, ya just can't put a value on.

It's $40 per job, and yeah there's no guarantee that you'll get many jobs, but he said he's never made less than $500 a week. Of course that's not him saying he'll guarantee it and things may go down the drain, so I understand that..

We won't live with strangers, were living with my friend who I've known for about a year. The guy he's living with is a stranger to us though.

quote Originally posted by carnut122: At $40 per hour they can't find any locals? I highly doubt that. So what's the catch?

He said that he moved to Minnesota to help manage and hire people. This isn't the first time he's asked me about working in this business. Anyway, I guess the main problem is the people they hire don't show up, so they fired everyone there and he is hiring people back that will show up. He says it is a full time job, you might get moved to a different office but that means a raise as well. I asked why the benefits and pay so good and he said because it's a high profit margin for each sell.

quote Originally posted by Zeb: And I have to add: Have you ever actually worked with insulation? Itchy, scratchy, nasty insulation? That gets in your skin, your nose, your lungs? Tossing heavy bags of fluff around on a hot, sticky summer day, with billions of particles just waiting to stick to your sweaty body? I'm getting all itchy just thinking about it.... (That came across as kinda weird, didn't it?)

Yuck, that does seem terrible That is something Shill will have to decide if it's worth that (If this all works out like my friend says).


To Shill: If you are too skeptical about this job I understand. I don't want you to do it if you don't want to.

From what I am reading the 40 dollar a job is not nearly as good as it sounds.

You said it was 4 hours per day, or 4 jobs.

If you worked a 40 hour week (8 hour day) that is only 20 dollars an hour, 13 dollars an hour on a 12 hour shift.

The red flag I saw was when you said "he's never made less than 500 per week." That's only 12 dollars an hour at a regular job.

This is for an itchy, probably very hot job that I'm betting sucks a lot more than you would think. Usually the really bad jobs come with housing, it's easier to keep people around that way.

Brad

If that's real, hell, I'd do it. Only work 4 hour days, and make something like $250+/week? Sounds awesome!

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: I learned during trucking you never believe what your told about a job.,.. they always glorify it..Werner said Id be making 70K a year.. i wasent even breaking 40K..

Well if you are approaching 40k a year, Werner is paying you better than I thought they would.

HI all

Ah yes the larger the challenge the larger the reward, its funny how maturity also says that what you will know in 5 years was right infront of you right now. Extra cash is nice, but the length of phone calls versus the time having your extra cash could only go so far in a cross-country visit. Its funny how valueable those little things are, and the smaller your list of interests well you know that much more about yourself and what your capable of. Experience still the best teacher though not the only. There is great wisdom in a 5 year plan, you know more solidly what can happen, yet there is even more so in a 25 year plan. Seattle is an expensive city, but those exist in every state. Your dollar will actually go further in WI but your also spending more on gas for the city life. When I first moved here to WI, it was sooo quiet I had to have a radio going so I could fall asleep. Now its more homely, fresher air, closer to nature, still have to drive an hour to the cities but with netflix and Libraries you can also watch Cirque De Soliel on Dvd, theather not so much so, but the trade offs you learn in experience always tell you what means the most to you. Mentally prepared for more money is great, but the trap of the community you take a life in, it could sap your money in other ways that aren't in a city, I live on a large acre property with a wooded area so we burn wood during winter. Other people around here have maybe a larger sense or an easier time knowing where there money is going because they have a different bill for almost everything. A city can hide fees, as can a country community. Burnsville from what I remember is a close relative of upscale, i.e., higher payment climate, but with any place large enough you also get crime. It is more of a developed suburbia. So look at what this area offers itself in terms of the basic living neccisities. Seattle is close in winter weather maybe, yet how much might you be spending in summer? So the closer you live to a city the more available to you yet the more money you could also spend in that process. I am not trying to cause alarm just concern. Spend some time on a chat forum with people in the area you want to go to as the ones who live there offer more than what I know. Also when looking at chat forums take notice of certain politics in speech, as well as passions, also the scope of the interest in the title of the site your visiting. It sounds funny to me to relate that last part to a woman but it could also prepare the guy too. Oh that 25 year plan? What costs more in the longer run versus what could last longer if you spent more money right now. I so rarely ever use a printer anymore and being around nieces and nephews alot they print a couple times a month, well the printer we have offers more services yet the ink seems to wear out fast, a probable combination of not using it and using it too much all at once. Or could it be that what it offers yet how much of its ability in offering a larger capacity of things to do could it hold a reserve for each system available? So knowing what it will offer you length wise is also wise to consider. A laser printer is something I am actually cosidering more and more. Yes it could cost more to fix, yes it could cost more to buy and run, but is it a more lively machine for the haul or do I have to keep buying ink every couple months. An older gentelmen back when I was in high-school saved his pocket change in rubber-plastic 40 gallon size garbage containers for close to his whole life. He was 80ish when he took them to the bank, took 3 days to haul all of it, and totaled some where near 80,000 dollars all-together. A penny saved is a penny earned, yeah Ben Franklin was impeccablly impressed with this story, yet knew it all along. That was a Minnesotan too.

Now its time to say something too many people know not. Growing up, spent a total of 15 years in MI, the first 13 basically, close to one year in MN, then a year back in MI, then a few years in MN, then came back for another year. Haven't gone back to MI after that for too long, almost recently went back for a new setting could offer a life too, eventually came back to WI. Minnesota was the first time in my life I wanted to call a place home. MI is a major industrial area, Motor City, that may be home base but it also has too much Semi traffic, so much so that the roads are terrible there in most situations. The air growing up wasn't always thick, or heavy from smoke, yet I noticed growing up there versus MN that the air quality was more beautiful here than there. This last time I went back, it had been so long in passing that I noticed a cleaner sensation. If I had to choose where to have been born, MN would be that choice. Detroit as the media has portrayed in recent years is in decline with its industry so jobs are scarce, here the pinch is pretty much heading that way too. But MI was famous recently for its people selling at so low a price just to get quick cash to leave for another life somewhere else. Its weird how Detroit is Hockey town, a name given because of the Wings, and yet MN it seems to me embraces this sport all the more for the people to gather and play it more often than MI.

It will be a culture Clash of the Titans in changing locations, even in the way people speak, yet this area reminds me more to what paridise could be if it snowed there too. I am odd though with choosing an area to want to live in. I spent quite some time looking at places around the states under the question of what place offers the best of life without the draw backs of weather or earthquakes or some natural disaster. I didn't like any choice, it was too give and take, so I went on to other things for a long while. Just recently Hawaii came back into the picture, since seening a movie about surfing, North Shore back in high-school, I wanted to learn to surf. That movie Soul Surfer reminded me of that wish, so its incredibly funny how I knew 15 years ago, maybe a little less or more but didn't seek a way how, but it came back that picture of possibility. Still wanna learn to snowboard before that, so don't know completely yet. A long vacation might tell me, but would it?

Now for me, I am feeling too introspective, haha or sniffle sniffle? Is there any guarentees in life other than there are no guraentees? It seems to me that our base knowledge is soo broad that once you eye a chunk, it almost calls for a retreat. The last 6 months of my life i've learnt more about things than 35 years of being a drifter, yet still feel as lost as ever. The vacancy of such a life of no gain outweighs the gift of this finding. In talking about that list of what matters and how a short one makes more sense as it is easier to follow, it also came to me that maybe i'd learn something if I tried to percent how much a person is involved with life. I started at four, as in the four seasons, not the hotel, but the changes of life :P. Just this last week, a fifth was added.

20% in the choices you make mentally
20% in the action you do take
20% in the real people who come into your life
20% in the real people that only come in through music, tv, or a book, reality too, just a little more one-sided thier discussion
20% of the people who are yet to come. Those little ones.

I want to add more to this list, like the fact that the choices that you don't take is also a loss too. Someone once said that fashion recycles itself, updated yes but still comes back around and around. Maturity says that what we know now is right there as it will be found in years to come, yet is this list complete? Would it be all that more of a change to add that aspect? Or does #'s one and two say that beneath thier words? It came to me today, the more definitions of life you have and the more universal they are the broader a personality you could have.

What I am asking is how could you equate your life to thee above list?

edit to add: I AM SORRY FOR THE HIGH-JACK!!!!! YOUR QUESTIONS LED TO ME ASKING MY OWN, YOUR LEAD PASSAGE WAS WHAT IT TOOK YES, THOUGH IT wasn't till after I posted this that I realized I should post my own thread.

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quote Originally posted by dennis_6: Well if you are approaching 40k a year, Werner is paying you better than I thought they would.

Its not bad but I'm going with a smaller local company... The owner of it is saying 50K a year day cab work off weekends and when the company grows hes going to be bringing his drivers up with it

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: From what I am reading the 40 dollar a job is not nearly as good as it sounds. You said it was 4 hours per day, or 4 jobs. If you worked a 40 hour week (8 hour day) that is only 20 dollars an hour, 13 dollars an hour on a 12 hour shift. The red flag I saw was when you said "he's never made less than 500 per week." That's only 12 dollars an hour at a regular job. This is for an itchy, probably very hot job that I'm betting sucks a lot more than you would think. Usually the really bad jobs come with housing, it's easier to keep people around that way. Brad

Well if it's only 4hours (jobs) a day, that's 20hours a week..

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Take it from me. Out of highschool i was the universal b!tch for a construction and remodeling company... Mainly roofing but when insulation crawl space work was in order guess who was pulled off the roof cuz he was a squranney lil sh*t.. Yup me.. Insulation sucks.. when your in the protective suits for them in the summer its hot as balls and you sweat your ass off within 2 seconds of putting it on.. than your into a crawl space hanging insulation... when the suit becomes unbearable and you take it off fiberglass gets everywhere i dont know where i hate it worse in your eyes or hair of dont ask me how it got there but in the draws.. talk about crabs on crack lol... than you go home itching and scratching the whole way to a cold shower.... i was so happy when they hired someone smaller than me..

I am not a believer in grandiose promises, either jobs, sales, good deals, miracles in cans, etc.
That said, to prevent itchy skin resulting from installing fiberglass insulation, (not all insulation is fiberglass) all you need to do is coat your skin with baby powder.

Considering this is spray in insulation, I doubt it is fiberglass.

quote Originally posted by FireGirl: Well if it's only 4hours (jobs) a day, that's 20hours a week..

Right, but since I'm betting you can't find a part time job to fill in those other 4 hours per day there is no sense in calling it 20 dollars an hour. (Based on average 8 hour workday.)

Brad

So many things throw up flags in this thread.
1. Log into your own account, it is confusing as hell and only takes 2 clicks.
2. Do you two not have text messages or each other's numbers?
3. Firegirl, your best friend you've known less than a year? How long have you and Shill been dating? The reason I ask, is because 1 year is an awfully short amount of time. If you aren't closer to your boyfriend than some guy you've known for a year, might want to think about that.
4. Does this "best friend" have a thing for you. Certainly seems that way.
5. Insulation is itchy as hell. Many people have already suggested that.
6. I never believe what I am told in situations like this.
7. As I understand it you two don't live together? You want to both move across state-lines, with him getting a new job and you not having one and with strangers in an apartment paid for by his employer? Seems like a good way to doom a relationship. Also seems a good way to get in someone's pocket.
8. Have either of you EVER lived outside of your parents house?
9. Have either of you ever experienced cohabitation with the opposite sex?
10. I keep seeing all this talk about buying a house and not "wasting" money on rent. I also keep seeing threads where (Shill specifically, but I assume you too) are struggling with finances. The Christmas thread immediately comes to mind. Also the most recent (of 3 computer threads currently on page 1) where he is taking $50 a month for a computer? Is he financing a PC for you or himself? $1200 isn't a lot of money. If you buy a house and that puts you in a jam, you can expect a LONG road ahead. Things come up constantly when you own a home.
11. If you have never lived on your own or with each other, you are not wasting money renting. You learn a lot about yourself when you live alone. You learn TONS about a person when you live with them. Here is an example. I blow my nose in the shower. When I shower with a girl that doesn't live with me, I don't blow my nose. Thus when someone moves in, they will learn that about me. Now that may or may not be gross to either of you, but you will learn that about your significant other and I can guarantee you will find somethings that really bother or sick you out.
12. I would be EXTREMELY concerned about how reliable this job is, how long it last, how honest everyone involved is being. If it is as good as you say, as mentioned before, why aren't more locals trying to get on with this company?
13. I think the answer to this problem is for Shill to go work at this company. Get established and feel it out. If it isn't all it's cracked up to be, he can come back.
14. I think you moving and putting all your faith in this job and your boyfriend is a bad call on your part. If something isn't right it could easily stress your relationship and destroy it. Just somethings to consider.

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quote Originally posted by ls3mach: So many things throw up flags in this thread. 1. Log into your own account, it is confusing as hell and only takes 2 clicks. 2. Do you two not have text messages or each other's numbers? 3. Firegirl, your best friend you've known less than a year? How long have you and Shill been dating? The reason I ask, is because 1 year is an awfully short amount of time. If you aren't closer to your boyfriend than some guy you've known for a year, might want to think about that. 4. Does this "best friend" have a thing for you. Certainly seems that way. 5. Insulation is itchy as hell. Many people have already suggested that. 6. I never believe what I am told in situations like this. 7. As I understand it you two don't live together? You want to both move across state-lines, with him getting a new job and you not having one and with strangers in an apartment paid for by his employer? Seems like a good way to doom a relationship. Also seems a good way to get in someone's pocket. 8. Have either of you EVER lived outside of your parents house? 9. Have either of you ever experienced cohabitation with the opposite sex? 10. I keep seeing all this talk about buying a house and not "wasting" money on rent. I also keep seeing threads where (Shill specifically, but I assume you too) are struggling with finances. The Christmas thread immediately comes to mind. Also the most recent (of 3 computer threads currently on page 1) where he is taking $50 a month for a computer? Is he financing a PC for you or himself? $1200 isn't a lot of money. If you buy a house and that puts you in a jam, you can expect a LONG road ahead. Things come up constantly when you own a home. 11. If you have never lived on your own or with each other, you are not wasting money renting. You learn a lot about yourself when you live alone. You learn TONS about a person when you live with them. Here is an example. I blow my nose in the shower. When I shower with a girl that doesn't live with me, I don't blow my nose. Thus when someone moves in, they will learn that about me. Now that may or may not be gross to either of you, but you will learn that about your significant other and I can guarantee you will find somethings that really bother or sick you out. 12. I would be EXTREMELY concerned about how reliable this job is, how long it last, how honest everyone involved is being. If it is as good as you say, as mentioned before, why aren't more locals trying to get on with this company? 13. I think the answer to this problem is for Shill to go work at this company. Get established and feel it out. If it isn't all it's cracked up to be, he can come back. 14. I think you moving and putting all your faith in this job and your boyfriend is a bad call on your part. If something isn't right it could easily stress your relationship and destroy it. Just somethings to consider.

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quote Originally posted by ls3mach: So many things throw up flags in this thread. 1. Log into your own account, it is confusing as hell and only takes 2 clicks. 2. Do you two not have text messages or each other's numbers? 3. Firegirl, your best friend you've known less than a year? How long have you and Shill been dating? The reason I ask, is because 1 year is an awfully short amount of time. If you aren't closer to your boyfriend than some guy you've known for a year, might want to think about that. 4. Does this "best friend" have a thing for you. Certainly seems that way. 5. Insulation is itchy as hell. Many people have already suggested that. 6. I never believe what I am told in situations like this. 7. As I understand it you two don't live together? You want to both move across state-lines, with him getting a new job and you not having one and with strangers in an apartment paid for by his employer? Seems like a good way to doom a relationship. Also seems a good way to get in someone's pocket. 8. Have either of you EVER lived outside of your parents house? 9. Have either of you ever experienced cohabitation with the opposite sex? 10. I keep seeing all this talk about buying a house and not "wasting" money on rent. I also keep seeing threads where (Shill specifically, but I assume you too) are struggling with finances. The Christmas thread immediately comes to mind. Also the most recent (of 3 computer threads currently on page 1) where he is taking $50 a month for a computer? Is he financing a PC for you or himself? $1200 isn't a lot of money. If you buy a house and that puts you in a jam, you can expect a LONG road ahead. Things come up constantly when you own a home. 11. If you have never lived on your own or with each other, you are not wasting money renting. You learn a lot about yourself when you live alone. You learn TONS about a person when you live with them. Here is an example. I blow my nose in the shower. When I shower with a girl that doesn't live with me, I don't blow my nose. Thus when someone moves in, they will learn that about me. Now that may or may not be gross to either of you, but you will learn that about your significant other and I can guarantee you will find somethings that really bother or sick you out. 12. I would be EXTREMELY concerned about how reliable this job is, how long it last, how honest everyone involved is being. If it is as good as you say, as mentioned before, why aren't more locals trying to get on with this company? 13. I think the answer to this problem is for Shill to go work at this company. Get established and feel it out. If it isn't all it's cracked up to be, he can come back. 14. I think you moving and putting all your faith in this job and your boyfriend is a bad call on your part. If something isn't right it could easily stress your relationship and destroy it. Just somethings to consider.

1. Sorry, was being lazy and on his computer, sorry for being confusing!
2. Yes but we came on here to ask for help/advice from people who have much more experience in this kind of stuff.
3. We've been dating 2 and a half years
4. If he does, he has never told me. He actually told me he'd kick my arse if I ever tried anything, as he knows I have a boyfriend
5. Yes it is.

7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Those are some good points to think about. Maybe we can rent for a little while to make sure.
14. Yes, I keep thinking things for the best when I should be thinking about things for the worst.

Thanks for some really good things to think about!

quote Originally posted by FireGirl: 1. Sorry, was being lazy and on his computer, sorry for being confusing! 2. Yes but we came on here to ask for help/advice from people who have much more experience in this kind of stuff. 3. We've been dating 2 and a half years 4. If he does, he has never told me. He actually told me he'd kick my arse if I ever tried anything, as he knows I have a boyfriend 5. Yes it is. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Those are some good points to think about. Maybe we can rent for a little while to make sure. 14. Yes, I keep thinking things for the best when I should be thinking about things for the worst. Thanks for some really good things to think about!

3. Why isn't he your best friend?
4. Yes he has a crush on you.
14. Not the worst, just realistically.

If this is a career he needs to go and try it out and you can follow after everything gets settled. I assume you have a job now? If you two are living free with your parents, why don't you have plenty of money saved? If I could live with a parent for a year, I would be balling. I've never had the luxury of being an adult and living with a parent without having to help pay all the bills. I can say if I did, I wouldn't be spending my money on new computer builds, cars and partying (not saying you guys do), I would be obtaining wealth and assets.

MN is fun in the winter. It's not as bad as the movies, at all. You have cold snaps and heatwaves, but we have four seasons...well, depends...in the "spring" it's usually 20 below until April 2nd, then it's 90 above.

Visit here next week and see what you think. It's still hot out. I didn't even wear a coat today.

Burnsville is fun, sorta.

quote Originally posted by Shill: Considering this is spray in insulation, I doubt it is fiberglass.

Actually, it could be cellulose, OR chopped fiberglass. The chopped fiberglass is quite popular these days. It doesn't seem to be as itchy as it was twenty years ago though...I am a very experienced Carpenter, and have talked to some of the people on the insulation crews. There is a pretty good turnover in the crews around here, but I don't think the pay is as good as what you are talking about out there. Personally I could not do that job for any length of time, while it one of the easier (physically) fields of the building trades, it is nothing I would look forward to getting up in the morning for. If he takes it ALWAYS use a respirator.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: 3. Why isn't he your best friend? 4. Yes he has a crush on you. 14. Not the worst, just realistically. If this is a career he needs to go and try it out and you can follow after everything gets settled. I assume you have a job now? If you two are living free with your parents, why don't you have plenty of money saved? If I could live with a parent for a year, I would be balling. I've never had the luxury of being an adult and living with a parent without having to help pay all the bills. I can say if I did, I wouldn't be spending my money on new computer builds, cars and partying (not saying you guys do), I would be obtaining wealth and assets.

My boyfriend is my best friend. I never said the friend offering me a job was my best friend. Just a friend. That is a funny little skit, but I am like the girl in it, I think guys and girls can be friends! lol if he does have a crush on me, he doesn't show it and he hasn't once tried anything. And yes, realistically is a better word for that..

It's not necessarily a career, just some good extra cash. We both have jobs now but they are low hour low pay jobs, I get 15 hours a week, and a good paying summer job. We are both looking for something better. I have saved up my money, but I just love to buy cars! And parts.........lol! But I'm not completely broke...just not ready for a house. Honestly, the fact that I'm 21 and still live at home does bother me, so I really hope to get a better paying job in the near future. I am always applying!

Spending the money on the computers? That's what I told him!! lol but I am guilty of the parts and cars, but no more cars for me (actually selling one of them) and I have all the parts I need for my fiero to run again (for now). But money is not spent on partying anymore though.

Most likely, his answer for this job is a no. And me moving there is a no also. I want to live somewhere! Not be there without all of my cars and belongings for a temporary time!

Thank you for all of the advice on everything!

quote Originally posted by FireGirl: I think guys and girls can be friends!

I think, as a guy, that you are wrong.

I'm sorry, but unless he's a flaming homosexual there is no reason for a guy to be talking with a girl that is dating someone else.

There are exceptions, like if you work together, or he is your brother. The guy is not your "friend" because he wants to be, he's your "friend" because you stuck him in the friend zone at some point and for some reason he hasn't got the nerve up to try and move up a level.

I'm not trying to be rude, or hateful just honest here. Ask around, Want me to PM 10 random guys on here asking if a guy and girl can be "just friends"?(at least in the guys head.)

Brad

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I think, as a guy, that you are wrong. I'm sorry, but unless he's a flaming homosexual there is no reason for a guy to be talking with a girl that is dating someone else. There are exceptions, like if you work together, or he is your brother. The guy is not your "friend" because he wants to be, he's your "friend" because you stuck him in the friend zone at some point and for some reason he hasn't got the nerve up to try and move up a level. I'm not trying to be rude, or hateful just honest here. Ask around, Want me to PM 10 random guys on here asking if a guy and girl can be "just friends"?(at least in the guys head.) Brad

QFT

Yeah, I'm not trying to argue that. It makes sense. Just as a girl (most girls probably) believe guys and girls can be friends. Same goes for the guys, most (I mean all) believe they can't be! lol

I don't understand why guys and girls can't hang out as friends. I hate most females, guys are more laid back, like goofing around and playing video games and just having fun, even if it means getting dirty (paintballing, something I want to try, dirt bikes, racing, monster trucks, working on cars!! lol) Guy aren't scared to jump off cliffs into water, whereas most girls are "Like oh my gawd that is so high up, I'm so scared, hold me hot guy!...you know? I'm more of a tomboy than a girly girl. I know there are some cool chicks around here who are like me, I just don't go out much anymore, and I only really work with 3 other girls, the rest (obviously) being a guy. And they are a LOT more fun to work with.

Guys socialize by insulting each other and not meaning it.
Girls socialize by complimenting each other and not meaning it.

quote Originally posted by FireGirl: Yeah, I'm not trying to argue that. It makes sense. Just as a girl (most girls probably) believe guys and girls can be friends. Same goes for the guys, most (I mean all) believe they can't be! lol I don't understand why guys and girls can't hang out as friends. I hate most females, guys are more laid back, like goofing around and playing video games and just having fun, even if it means getting dirty (paintballing, something I want to try, dirt bikes, racing, monster trucks, working on cars!! lol) Guy aren't scared to jump off cliffs into water, whereas most girls are "Like oh my gawd that is so high up, I'm so scared, hold me hot guy!...you know? I'm more of a tomboy than a girly girl. I know there are some cool chicks around here who are like me, I just don't go out much anymore, and I only really work with 3 other girls, the rest (obviously) being a guy. And they are a LOT more fun to work with. Guys socialize by insulting each other and not meaning it. Girls socialize by complimenting each other and not meaning it.

Look. Guys are more fun than girls. We hangout with girls with the hope of having sex with them, otherwise we wouldn't put up with your BS. Every guy would rather hangout with their male friends over a female he doesn't want to sleep with. Believe whatever you want, but you are wrong. The reasons you just listed that you don't like girls, we all agree with. If you didn't have sex on your side, guys wouldn't want to hangout with girls either. As a guy who can pickup girls, I'm telling you 100% this is accurate. I'mnot being a dick here, just stating the truth, regardless of whether you believe it, doesn't change the validity. You aren't some special exception, trust me. I've dated some awesome,fun girls, if it wasn't for the sex, i would have rather hungout withmy boys.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: Look. Guys are more fun than girls. We hangout with girls with the hope of having sex with them, otherwise we wouldn't put up with your BS. Every guy would rather hangout with their male friends over a female he doesn't want to sleep with. Believe whatever you want, but you are wrong. The reasons you just listed that you don't like girls, we all agree with. If you didn't have sex on your side, guys wouldn't want to hangout with girls either. As a guy who can pickup girls, I'm telling you 100% this is accurate. I'mnot being a dick here, just stating the truth, regardless of whether you believe it, doesn't change the validity. You aren't some special exception, trust me. I've dated some awesome,fun girls, if it wasn't for the sex, i would have rather hungout withmy boys.

Well that's depressing, thought I was an exception oh well. Anyway, thinking about if I was a guy, yeah I wouldn't hang out with girls either! haha

Know what I just realized? In my head: My guy friend gets a girlfriend and he stops hanging out with me. I always thought because the girlfriend would be mad that he's hanging out with another girl, when in reality, it's all what you guys have been saying! I wasn't giving him any, he stopped hanging out with me to hang out with someone who would give him some! It all makes sense now! haha

Edit to add: Not just one, but basically all past guy friends..

What about if a girl is viewed as one of the guys? It's still about the sex isn't it?

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quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I think, as a guy, that you are wrong. I'm sorry, but unless he's a flaming homosexual there is no reason for a guy to be talking with a girl that is dating someone else. There are exceptions, like if you work together, or he is your brother. The guy is not your "friend" because he wants to be, he's your "friend" because you stuck him in the friend zone at some point and for some reason he hasn't got the nerve up to try and move up a level. I'm not trying to be rude, or hateful just honest here. Ask around, Want me to PM 10 random guys on here asking if a guy and girl can be "just friends"?(at least in the guys head.) Brad

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It is possible, just very hard and uncommon.

quote Originally posted by FireGirl: Well that's depressing, thought I was an exception oh well. Anyway, thinking about if I was a guy, yeah I wouldn't hang out with girls either! haha Know what I just realized? In my head: My guy friend gets a girlfriend and he stops hanging out with me. I always thought because the girlfriend would be mad that he's hanging out with another girl, when in reality, it's all what you guys have been saying! I wasn't giving him any, he stopped hanging out with me to hang out with someone who would give him some! It all makes sense now! haha Edit to add: Not just one, but basically all past guy friends.. What about if a girl is viewed as one of the guys? It's still about the sex isn't it?

You are NOT one of the guys. You get to hangout with the guys because you are involved with one of them. If you weren't involved with one of them, you would only be able to hangout because at least one of them wants to sleep with you. You gave examples of exactly that in this post, how they stop hanging out with you. About the only exceptions to this are relatives and disparagingly different demographics, and I mean DISPARAGINGLY. An example, a woman that I worked with in her late 60s viewed me as a grandchild. When I say friends in a case like that, I really mean more of an acquaintance. We would have lunch every few months and that was the extent of our hanging out together. Guys aren't friends with girls they don't want to make sex to.