quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: Since it was brought up. Mind you I do not like to bash at all but it is odd that the ones who seem to be the users are all church folk. Every other day church folk are the ones who have made me question myself in the first place. Odd how there is a common ground among the guilty in my life. Got me thinking now...

You also should consider the fact that most "church goers" are unsaved. I would never be one to rip you off ever since I was saved.

Here's a rule of thumb... Generally anyone outside of evangelicalism is unsaved. Then probably half of those within evangelicalism are unsaved.

We'll keep it at this and I'll gracefully bow out of this thread, but at the very least, you really shold read Spurgeon's book that I posted even if you don't believe.

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT:Generally anyone outside of evangelicalism is unsaved. Then probably half of those within evangelicalism are unsaved. We'll keep it at this and I'll gracefully bow out of this thread, but at the very least, you really should read Spurgeon's book that I posted even if you don't believe.

LOL, this reminds me of all the Christens that say Bless You and now it feels like F-you, I am going to try to cheat you.

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: Since it was brought up. Mind you I do not like to bash at all but it is odd that the ones who seem to be the users are all church folk. Every other day church folk are the ones who have made me question myself in the first place. Odd how there is a common ground among the guilty in my life. Got me thinking now...

Dopplefrickin'ganger!

I won't even go any farther about just how many "christians" have faqued me this past year. Seriously OMG!

And yes, ALL of them have been saved. I hate to be the bearer of bad news 1985FieroGT, but just by you believing that ONLY the unsaved can be this way..... (Where is my double head smack smiley?!)

I hate folks that use religion as a way not to pay me my $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. "God will find a way." Well god did not buy you food. God did not help get clothes for your kids. I DID! STOP USING THE LORD AS A REASON TO BE A DAMN MOOCH!

I don't tell all here, and I have my reasons for the season. Let's just say that I gave a family life, and for several years now, they won't pay it back. "God will find a way!" Sheeze!

Sorry to pizz on your thread Dave, but these last statements that I have read touched home to the tune of nearly $20,000. (I am now shaking!)

Tony MF Kania

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: Lately, i'm starting to have a bad outlook on people in general all over again

Hey me too. But "people in general" is general. Thats the problem, generalizing. We see so little of this worlkd in our daily lives, we usually see only the bad in the media, consider that. There are good folk, you may just be one yourself. I do believe most people are selfish and can alot of the time be careless jerks. What I think I have for them most of all is maybe pity. However I don't continuously give them chances to burn me or my loved ones. It is all in how you do otr say things. You can still be civil. Its just part of life. If you can find folks who are nice, hang with them.
Don't slide backwards dude. You control your life, don't let losers influence you negatively.

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: This will be the first year in a long time i have not donated to any charity for christmas because well... i couldn't afford to.

Don't feel bad for that charity is for your excess. There is nothing wrong with not giving if you don't have to give. There is nothing wrong with accepting if you are in need.
But also if you give give without expecting any return, even favors. IMO

I have found decent people... here!
Two that i've known for a long time and the rest seem to be in an online forum.

Tony, Man if you only knew the crap i went through with the religious nuts. At one point in my life i was a christian. I believed very strongly in the loving power of "god". Then one day while sitting in a gutter in NYC begging for scrap change it hit me. "WTH am i doing? "God" doesn't care about me, and neither does anybody else. I need to do something and do something fast!". Shortly after i got my life on track but it meant hanging with the wrong crowds, doing things i care not to talk about on an open forum. Over time they gave me the attitude to do for me and to he** with everybody else. It was then that i got into drugs and alcohol.

When my cousin died because of a drunk driver is what woke me up to what i was doing to myself. Of course i tried the AA and NA groups. HA! they were worse with using me then the Christians were. Most of them were held in churches. I got clean on my own with no help. When i got sober is when i decided to become better then those who would use me in the past. to become a "good man". Honestly i could go on an on about religious nuts and how they've done me wrong but the fact remains... doesn't matter what your into, what your beliefs are, or what car you drive, or the color of your shirt, it's YOU that makes you a good person or not. I refuse to label somebody by association. It's just nauseating that the majority of people are really as bad as i once thought they were.

Dave

We know that not all are bad. It is us to pick an dchoose.

Take 2.5 for instance. While it is a fact that he is a follower of God, he does not put it in our faces. He has more than proven his worth as a human, and I would not ever think of pushing him away. His beliefs are different than mine, but his stance on life goes hand in hand.

You know, I too went homeless for a period of my life. It happened after the drugs and partying. I never blamed anyone for it. Only myself. I was the destructive force, and I knew it. There is a GREAT feeling of pride knowing that I chose to rectify my wrongs. To this day, some 10 years later, I still feel that I need to "give." To become that better man. And you know what, I ain't stopping.

Dave, like me, you know what to do. Your actions have spoken louder than words, and you have proven yourself as a valid member of society. I hope to share a dinner with you one day, and we can get the stories that we cannot tell on the internet out. A heavy burden is ours, and we are able to carry it.

Tony

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: Tony, Man if you only knew the crap i went through with the religious nuts. At one point in my life i was a christian. I believed very strongly in the loving power of "god". Then one day while sitting in a gutter in NYC begging for scrap change it hit me. "WTH am i doing? "God" doesn't care about me, and neither does anybody else. I need to do something and do something fast!". I need to do something and do something fast!". Shortly after i got my life on track but it meant hanging with the wrong crowds, doing things i care not to talk about on an open forum. Over time they gave me the attitude to do for me and to he** with everybody else. It was then that i got into drugs and alcohol. When my cousin died because of a drunk driver is what woke me up to what i was doing to myself. ... doesn't matter what your into, what your beliefs are, or what car you drive, or the color of your shirt, it's YOU that makes you a good person or not. I refuse to label somebody by association. It's just nauseating that the majority of people are really as bad as i once thought they were. Dave

There are a lot of things that pop into my head reading this. I mean things like; it does matter what you believe because that is what influences you. You even said hanging with the wrong crowds gave you a certain attitude. That was what you believed at the time. It took a tragedy to spark your change for the better. You chose to be where you are now, but it did take things that were out of your control to help you get there, or get you in the right frame of mind. It developed your character.
Just thoughts.
I sent you a PM

I've been thinking about you all day Dave. I shouldn't have opened it up this morning, because it really put me in a mood. I try not to think about stuff like that, it hurts too much. Like you, I too get walked on. I do things for anyone and everyone and get the shaft most of the time. It's not even like I want anything from them. A simple hug and some appreciation would do wonders.

Then, there I am on my postal route collecting gifts from my customers. These people I know all of a couple of minutes a day, some I don't even see, and they leave me gifts and write me nice things about how it's so nice to see my smiling face everyday, how well I do my job, thanking me for doing a little extra for them, etc. These people I see for a tiny bit a day, if that and they think of me during Christmas. The people in my life crap all over me, and yet these people do this willingly for me. I just don't understand life sometimes. But, I try not to think about it.

Don't be like me, put your foot down and worry about yourself and your family first. Find out who your real friends are and make them a priority too! If you let other people walk all over you, it's your fault too! I know it's hard to say no, but do it!!!

I'm glad I could make your Christmas a bit brighter. Helping you out made my Christmas brighter too!!

PS, the people on this forum are great too! I don't know how many I think of as a good friends. I know I can count of them if I ever need a shoulder to lean on. Someone even sent me a Secret Santa gift just because. It's driving me nuts too! I need to find out who did it so I can properly thank them....

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Dave & Tony,

When tellin' you guys this I should heed my own advice here, but I shouldn't have to tell you that ALL Christians are bad. Unfortunately the "so called Christians" at my job have proven to be two faced jerks and like I've told you both ( I think ) they're not all bad just like all white, black, red, yellow, and brown folk ain't the same. It only takes a few a-holes to give the rest a black eye.

Also, like I've told you both.....I've let them run me off. Let me repeat.........I've LET those run me off. Am I ready to go back? Nope.

Dave,

Stay head strong and focused.

And remember, folks!!!

RESPECT <------- the word "respect" is a copyright by Tony Kanias' new tatoo

Paul

The word "respect" is earned not just freely given in my book. BUT should be such a thing as common decency. Huge difference between the two and often get mistaken for one another.

As for the religious folk... they are not ALL bad. Again, never make somebody guilty by association. Every person is different. What i have recently learned is...

Always feel somebody out before offering to help in any way.
Never expect anything in return, even gratitude if you choose to help.
If you are expecting something, say it up front and don't be passive about it.
You CAN say "NO!" even if you thought it might be fun to do.

Easy enough to do.

Side note: there are a few people on here who have preached a little to me but are usually the first ones to lend a helping hand. So... this forum has proven me wrong about religious people.

Dave

Could be NSFW, mild language.

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: The word "respect" is earned not just freely given in my book. BUT should be such a thing as common decency. Huge difference between the two and often get mistaken for one another.

100% agree, Dave. I didn't mean for it to come across to respect everyone........it IS EARNED

Paul

Sorry to revive but...
I may actually see another Fiero thanks to a forum member. I just have to come up with the $ to get it here and to register it. I would be switching plates (hopefully) so it should be a ton cheaper. waiting to hear what exactly is wrong with it but i don't see this as an issue as i do have a ton of parts still. Now i have a place i can work on it if need be but it cant stay there for long. Should be just long enough to get my sable sold to pay for the registration and whatever loan i can get to get it here.

So i guess things DO come back once in a while. Aught to be stressful to get it all organized but should be worth it!

I am glad you are about to get something that you enjoy. Now, can I be the caring Dad sort to some of your original issue? Do you already have reliable transportation and do you have any debt besides home mortgage? If you answer no to reliable transportation or yes to having debt, clear up those first. At one time you managed being on the street so, suffering is not beyond you. However, now with the family, your responsibility is to keep them mentally secure. The best way I can come up with to do that is to be as streamlined as possible with your finances. My son worried that we would be homeless because I lost my job, it was easy to explain to him that without other debt, we really only needed a small amount of money to get by. My wife would renew the fear in him by saying the wrong things but, sometimes I could just wink and he understood that I understand what needed to be done and I got it covered.
At least in that one issue, I hope the prodigal son is willing to follow the father.

Well my fiero used to get better milage the the sable I have right now so I figure it would be an upgrade. Once my wife goes back to work ill have the extra $ to get the car here and swap the plates. Then sell the sable for what I need to come up with.

I know, I know... Best laid plans. :/ got my fingers crossed!

Update on the original post:
So i get a text from a number that is no longer in my phone from the wife trying to patch things up with me. I already know it's a ploy to get me to cough up money that really isn't owed to them. I simply ignored it. Not worth my time. It's bad enough i can't even come up with $300 to get back into a Fiero. No way can afford to deal with a drama ridden leach again.

Oh well... figured i would just update this.

I'm guessing your wife has her own car? Anyway, it's good to see you making headway. Like the saying goes, keep your eye on the prize.

Yeah she does. She has a 98 accord.

DON'T DO IT!

That is all.

Tony

Lol... Im not. They can rot for all I care. To put me through the ringer and make me second guess myself. People like that are never worth it.

Exactly.

Tony

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: I simply ignored it. Not worth my time.

This makes me happy!
We should all follow this plan.