I went out as a dd for my friend wearing us govt issue marpat pants, and ended up being the one to drink. the last bar my friend and I decide to stop into, some marines were checking me out from the otherside of a pool table in the back room and I overheard thier "frustration" when they walked over and called me out, simply because I was wearing the pants. Ive worn the camo out many other times and havent had a problem, until now. The only things that had happened to me before were a few millitary and ex millitary coming upto me to talk. of course I am assuming these guys just got out of basic and had thier blood pumped full of alcohol.

never will I ever pose as a marine or any millitary, and if asked I will deny such a thing every time. what could be the reason for such an adamant attack on me or anyone as a said "poser"?

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I wear bdu pants to work about every night. They are more comfortable than jeans to work in, breath a bit, are tough as nails, and dry fairly quickly.

Nobody has ever gave me a hard time.

Brad

I guess they have never heard of people wearing military surplus.

I talked to my army buddy in s. korea last night about it, he said hes been told that millitary isnt even supposed to be wearing thier acu or mccuu or whatever bdu in public, because some people shoot soldiers. the drunk marines said to me that is comfuses people if I were to wear the usmc camo out (and its not my fault if someone cant tel, I can). even though im not enlisted I know the uniform code of millitary justice. (thank my marine dad) And anyone wearing marpat in public and claiming to be in the usmc is in violation.
marines specifically arent allowed to wear thier camo out in public unless they arew on base or travelling to and from thier base.

but like I said I think it was the alcohol talking.

Some of us worked very hard, and gave up many things to earn the right to wear that uniform.

Ed.

quote Originally posted by ED's85GT: Some of us worked very hard, and gave up many things to earn the right to wear that uniform. Ed.

they made that clear. thanks for serving, if you did.

quote Originally posted by ED's85GT: Some of us worked very hard, and gave up many things to earn the right to wear that uniform. Ed.

This is correct and although I didn't agree with many of the services changing the rules and allowing non-dress uniforms off base/post other than traveling to and from duty, I don't get to make the rules.

quote Originally posted by AL87: I think it was the alcohol talking.

This I agree with. But, I will also say that wearing any sort of military uniform into a bar frequented by military members is kind of asking to be challenged.

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quote Originally posted by ED's85GT: Some of us worked very hard, and gave up many things to earn the right to wear that uniform. Ed.

Agreed.

While I was serving (in the Marine Corps), you were not allowed to wear you utilities anywhere except on base, in the field or while driving to and from.

From what I understand now, the rules for that have been loosened and minor stops (pick up kids, run into a convience store etc) are now allowed.

But, it still bothers me to see others wearing utilites, when I was trained that it was wrong. -Jason

quote Originally posted by blackrams: But, I will also say that wearing any sort of military uniform into a bar frequented by military members is kind of asking to be challenged.

I didnt know the bar was frequented by any marines. there isnt a millitary base anywhere around here, exept for a national guard armory.

And I also didnt know that the rules got loosened.

My favorite response when I find someone wearing camos is to bump into them and then say "oh excuse me, I didn't see you"

I'd have told them I'm not in the military, but I wear camo when I go out hunting and decided to wear them tonight.
Since I'm not in the military, the UCMJ means bupkiss to me.

I have a tremendous respect for anyone who has served and NO tolerance for people who claim to have served who haven't, but wearing freaking camo pants is a far cry from impersonating a soldier. If you had walked in wearing dress blues or a bunch of medals claiming they were yours, then they'd have something to complain about.

I believe it's illegal to claim to be a veteran. I know it's fraud if you do it to get any kind of benefit, even if it's just a handout from somebody who thinks you served.

I still have one pair of BDU pants. I dont wear them to bars or out on the town but I do wear them around the house.
They are not the ones I got in the service but they are service issue. I was in the Navy but part of the security detail I was on required me to wear the Marines BDUs
I never put them on unless I was on duty and standing watch.

Who wears camo to go to a bar?

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Who wears camo to go to a bar?

Lots of people--you just never saw them--see Dratt's reply.

In my day, in or out the gate, it was dress uniform and/or in some places, proper civilian attire. Entering or leaving base in utilities would result in OOD being summoned--no exceptions--with the expected write up to follow. Perhaps, it depended on where you were stationed, but everywhere I went, that was the standing order for all enlisted. If your work uniform was utilities, you changed clothes once you arrived at your work area--changed again at the end of the day to leave base. I was on several USN bases where the Sailors could come and go in work uiform, but not so for any Marines.

(The word "Marines" btw, when referring to US Marines, is a proper noun, and as such gets the same capitalization as the word "I" when referring to one's self.)

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: (The word "Marines" btw, when referring to US Marines, is a proper noun, and as such gets the same capitalization as the word "I" when referring to one's self.)

Also when referring to someone other who is a Marine. More so when there are a bunch of them. 'Course, Girl Scouts get the same respect.

Normally when I see Uniforms in a bar I approach them and if I have the cash buy a round. Unless they are men and only wearing pants then I just quietly exit the bar.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Normally when I see Uniforms in a bar I approach them and if I have the cash buy a round. Unless they are men and only wearing pants then I just quietly exit the bar.

You exit alone I presume............


(said the guy with a rather femine sounding username)

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quote Originally posted by dratts: My favorite response when I find someone wearing camos is to bump into them and then say "oh excuse me, I didn't see you"

The daily chuckle. Thanks.

I play Airsoft from time to time. Was heavily into it up until two years ago. My "impression" was one of an Army Ranger. ANY military personel could easily tell that I was not in BDUs. An assimily to a real soldier, but reenacting nonetheless. I have Marpat, a Vietnam impression, and of course my Ranger gear. All of my equiptment is military equiptment that I either picked up cheap online, or at one of dozens of surplus stores in the area.

Our Mil-Sim days were quite often training with Fairchild AFB, the Spokane PD, or ROTC kids. Never did I get a wayward stare, comment, or attitude. As a matter of fact, I was commented on my gear.

Now, we did remove several individuals from the community for their absurdely fake service details. One claimed military, but really his time in the military was never. Another stated combat service which was proven to be untrue. THAT is upsetting.

Tony

that is what I got my marpat for^^^ airsoft.

and like I said I would never say im in the millitary.

A lot of people wear camo around here and I have never thought twice about it. You can clearly tell the difference from military personnel and a regular Joe out at Home Depot picking up some bag of cement. If you were completed decked out where it was in question of who you were, then I would have concern. But if you were just wearing camo pants and a t-shirt I wouldn't worry.

And believe me I have the utmost respect from military personnel, anyone that knows me knows that true. But wearing camo pants is different then someone going in public in dress blues.

quote Originally posted by dratts: My favorite response when I find someone wearing camos is to bump into them and then say "oh excuse me, I didn't see you"

hahahahahhaaha


where is that damn like button already?

quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: And believe me I have the utmost respect from military personnel, anyone that knows me knows that true. But wearing camo pants is different then someone going in public in dress blues.

I'd never wear dress blues, i have a complete MCCUU that i dont really sport out unless im airsofting with friends. or hanging out with some army rotc girls (which are also the friends I go airsofting with) (and no you cant have them because girls who airsoft are hot), poking fun at them in the differences between the usmc and army.

quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: A lot of people wear camo around here and I have never thought twice about it. You can clearly tell the difference from military personnel and a regular Joe out at Home Depot picking up some bag of cement. If you were completed decked out where it was in question of who you were, then I would have concern. But if you were just wearing camo pants and a t-shirt I wouldn't worry. And believe me I have the utmost respect from military personnel, anyone that knows me knows that true. But wearing camo pants is different then someone going in public in dress blues.

This.

I have called out known military members for uniform violations, (cover, etc) and have been called out by other military members for violations when I was in (once, coming home from duty I exited my car to get gas without my BDU top on, just bottoms and a t-shirt, pants still bloused, no cover, etc, and had an off duty Sergeant in civies practically tear my head off in the middle of the gas station. And looking back on it I deserved every word he said to me). However it is not a crime for a civilian to wear surplus BDUs nor, IIRC, is it a crime for a civilian to wear a full uniform (barring certain insignias, again IIRC), otherwise we'd have a lot of actors to put in jail...

Now military personnel improperly displaying their uniforms (such as I did), or wearing ranks, awards or insignias that they are not entitled to (think impersonating and officer for example) are subject to the UCMJ .

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soo... I need to remove the "usmc" name tape on the blouse and remove the ega insignias on the blouse and cover?

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I'm with the marines...it's a pretty lame thing to do. Old BDU's are one thing...they are old and no one wears them anymore. New style uniforms though are a little strange to wear out if nothing else and could give some people the wrong idea.

quote Originally posted by Black88GT: I'm with the marines...it's a pretty lame thing to do. Old BDU's are one thing...they are old and no one wears them anymore. New style uniforms though are a little strange to wear out if nothing else and could give some people the wrong idea.

this is true^^^ and that is the point they made to me. albeit a little loud, and haughty. but still maintianing couth.

Bottom line, the US Government sells these surplus uniforms to the general public. If people have a problem with civilians wearing these uniforms they should take it up with the proper departments.

However I completely understand the feeling someone in the Military has, they fight at huge person sacrifice to have the honor to wear those outfits, and it seems like a slap in the face to have a regular Joe sporting them around with out the work. But once again, I don't think many people will mistake someone in just the camo pants as someone in the military.

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I would have told them, go away fashion police. I can wear 4 stars on my shoulders and if I did not earn them, it is jewelry and unless I am on a military base, it is nobodies business but my own. I wear BDU, surplus military issue primarily for gardening and so long as a place does not have a dress code, I will wear them into a bar.

87antuzzi, not all bars are "dress up bars".

quote Originally posted by FriendGregory: ... 87antuzzi, not all bars are "dress up bars".

Usually, mostly the gay ones, I'm guessing.

No, I just dont like wearing camo and think it looks white trashy in my opinion. And no, I have never been to a gay bar and never will. Now dont you old folks have a early bird special at Golden Corral to attend to??

quote Originally posted by AL87: I went out as a dd for my friend wearing us govt issue marpat pants, and ended up being the one to drink. the last bar my friend and I decide to stop into, some marines were checking me out from the otherside of a pool table in the back room and I overheard thier "frustration" when they walked over and called me out, simply because I was wearing the pant

You should of told them to screw off. It's non of their business as to what some one else is wearing. I see people outside of my base in military clothing constantly, hell every one wheres their PT gear because well, its comfortable and no one says a thing about it. Sounds to me like they were just looking to start some crap.

quote Originally posted by Fiero_Fan_88: You should of told them to screw off. It's non of their business as to what some one else is wearing. I see people outside of my base in military clothing constantly, hell every one wheres their PT gear because well, its comfortable and no one says a thing about it. Sounds to me like they were just looking to start some crap.

Exactly why I didnt say much to them.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: You exit alone I presume............ (said the guy with a rather femine sounding username)

unless some lass that is also in the wrong place needs rescuing. But only if she isnt wearing a shirt

I remember one time I was wearing jeans and a light blue button up shirt and a Petty officer started yelling at me about my cover. I gave him a weird look and he started chewing on me more until he got close enough to see it wasn't a uniform. It was funny because he just turned around and started muttering about why would someone wear something that looks like a uniform when its not. Answer is your wife buys it for you.

...Wearing the BDU no big deal ,,wearing any part of the USMC uniform with the emblem & not being a Marine,NO ,
..,The tough guys talk big here,, better not run into a serious Marine,,he equate,s the Marine emblem with Tarawa,Iwo Jima ,Hue,Ramadi & cares little for a lying tough talking wantta be,
who show comtemp for the blood of thier brothers ,,its a long chain of brothehood & how easily some of the above would easily shame us .. F.U. scumbag
I have seen your lying sorry slime bragging in Bars,, hope you pay some day.
ya gotta be a no respect democrat
Try to show honesty & integrity you liar,s

uhlanstan... wtf? I cant comprehend your bad typing... but still... funny.

I've been wearing blue jeans into bars across the country and have never been assaulted by a Cowboy.

Come to think of it, back when I wore a leather coat I was never assaulted by a biker either.

Brad

quote Originally posted by Fiero_Fan_88: You should of told them to screw off. It's non of their business as to what some one else is wearing. I see people outside of my base in military clothing constantly, hell every one wheres their PT gear because well, its comfortable and no one says a thing about it. Sounds to me like they were just looking to start some crap.

Excellent advice, and I highly recommend following it should similar circumstances arise again.

Be sure to let us know how following that advice works out for you.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I've been wearing blue jeans into bars across the country and have never been assaulted by a Cowboy. Come to think of it, back when I wore a leather coat I was never assaulted by a biker either. Brad

Ever wear one with a club's colors?