See, I go the other way, most things should be tax exempt

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I have never said to tax the rich more. I do not subscribe to class warfare.

<foot in mouth>I apologize. I must have mixed my threads and who I was talking with. <foot in mouth>

quote Originally posted by Gtdhw: <foot in mouth>I apologize. I must have mixed my threads and who I was talking with. <foot in mouth>

Its ok, it happens

Now that their dirty deeds have been exposed to the light-they're singing a different tune. Typical of so-called religous people.

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quote Originally posted by madcurl: Now that their dirty deeds have been exposed to the light-they're singing a different tune. Typical of so-called religous people. http://news.yahoo.com/uproa...l-ban-235931692.html

Again, where is your proof that this is "typical" of so called religious people? I attend one of the largest Fundamental Baptist Church in my area... and we have at least one inter-racial couple... nothing is said. We have a large group of Asian people, nothing is said. Yes, we're still sinners, yes I've even made mistakes too, even on this forum in the past... but that vast majority are still truly saved (again, the vast, not everyone who names the name of Christ is truly saved)

What's more disconcerting is your flippant attitude towards those who name the name of Christ... you should rather be afraid and be asking God for His mercy. Because if you're like this now, wait until you're burning.

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: What's more disconcerting is your flippant attitude towards those who name the name of Christ... you should rather be afraid and be asking God for His mercy. Because if you're like this now, wait until you're burning.

Yeh, well crusty the cross-man can either show up or shut up...I'll be damned if I am going to live in fear of somebody elses imaginary friend, and I really dont take kindly to the xtian threats of "obey or burn"...this life or the next, I am not the kind of man that bows to threats of what will happen if I dont bow down, bend over, act like a sheep and take a jew deek up my keester.

Oh, and I aint going to burn...the xtian "hell" is nothing more than a re-telling of the Hades, mixed with the garbage pits that burned outside the walls of old jerusalem, and parents told the kids if they didnt obey they would be thrown into the its to burn. No more real than my level 76 fighter...its ALL IMAGINARY....leave dark-age superstions 1,000 years in the past where they belong.

To be blunt...I dont believe in socities xtian "god", and I sure as sheet aint afraid of it.

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: What's more disconcerting is your flippant attitude towards those who name the name of Christ... you should rather be afraid and be asking God for His mercy. Because if you're like this now, wait until you're burning.

Flippant? Give me a break. Clearly the ones that had a "flippant" attitude was the ones that voted 9 to 6 vote. That's 14 people that decided to use their own flippant man-made disison to vote on a subject that is CLEARLY found in the Book of Acts regarding "races" while the other either didn't care or didn't want to upset the head pastor. Once again they over looked God's word and replaced for man made doctrines. Typical response. Makes you wonder what "votes" they took in the 20s,30s, 40s, 50s, 60, & 70s. Heck, I'd bet they'd vote for slavery too.

As for you 1986FieroGT, ""You should rather be afraid and be asking God for His Glory." I say to you, "You should be trying to find out what God's Word say about races. As for someone "burning" give me a break. God's judgment starts first in the church and then towards outside, so you better make sure of where you point your finger.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: The only problem i have with the 'its their place, their rules' argument ( which i normally do fully support ) is that they are in effect accepting public tax dollars since they are a tax exempt entity. I feel that once you accept 'public funds' in any form the rules need to change and you are no longer truly a private entity.

quote Originally posted by Gtdhw: Do you feel the same about anyone accepting "public funds"?

quote Originally posted by User00013170: yes

quote Originally posted by User00013170: You can give whatever you want. That is private money and not what i'm talking about. I am talking about redistribution of tax dollars. Money I never got a choice in where it gos. It was taken and distributed without my consent. And while i have nothing against people getting together and forming a church, they should be held to the same standards and pay their own way as everyone else. NO tax breaks. As far as I'm concerned, getting a tax break is the same as accepting tax dollars.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: We don't/won't agree, but as i stated above, receiving *any* tax abatements ( i guess that is a better term than "breaks" ) or achieve 'non profit' tax status is the same as receiving public dollars to me and it changes the rules. And just to clarify i don't care if they are a church, or a manufacturing plant or a food pantry or the boyscouts... I'm not being biased here, and all should be treated the same. Also, i don't care if we are talking federal or state or local taxes. Its still public funds, just from different sized pools. That they also receive private funds is totally irrelevant to me since they still accepted public funds.

Wow, this conversation did not lead where I thought it was going. So what the heck I’ll ask.

Nurb,

Curious, do you have children? Do you have a job? Do you or have you ever had a mortgage on a house?

If the answer is yes to any of those, when you file taxes do you take the standard deduction? Have you ever taken any dependant deductions? Did you ever take a deduction for intrest on your mortgage?

quote abatement 1. the act or state of abating or the state of being abated; reduction; decrease; alleviation; mitigation. 2. suppression or termination: abatement of a nuisance; noise abatement. 3. an amount deducted or subtracted, as from the usual price or the full tax.

If so then you have accepted public funds, and well I guess the government has every right to tell you what to do also.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Flippant? Give me a break. Clearly the ones that had a "flippant" attitude was the ones that voted 9 to 6 vote. That's 14 people that decided to use their own flippant man-made disison to vote on a subject that is CLEARLY found in the Book of Acts regarding "races" while the other either didn't care or didn't want to upset the head pastor. Once again they over looked God's word and replaced for man made doctrines. Typical response. Makes you wonder what "votes" they took in the 20s,30s, 40s, 50s, 60, & 70s. Heck, I'd bet they'd vote for slavery too. As for you 1986FieroGT, ""You should rather be afraid and be asking God for His Glory." I say to you, "You should be trying to find out what God's Word say about races. As for someone "burning" give me a break. God's judgment starts first in the church and then towards outside, so you better make sure of where you point your finger.

Again, you didn't read what I had posted.

And again, God doesn't care about the races (except for maybe the Old Testament after the Tower of Babel)

And regardless of the judgment inside the church has nothing to do with condemnation.

Please, just truly turn to the Lord and be saved... let's stop all of this and be friends in glory when you die.

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Again, where is your proof that this is "typical" of so called religious people?

I think he was meaning more the hypocrisy involved. " we believe this, until you call us on it ". And sad to say it is not all that uncommon.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: You would be surprised how consistent i am, even when i file taxes. And for the record, I also think all those 'deductions' should be removed from the code too. Everyone should the same % and be done with it. Tax code is the biggest scam going.

I know that is your opinion. However you evaded answering the question. Have you ever taken any of those deductions when you filed taxes?

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Again, where is your proof that this is "typical" of so called religious people? I attend one of the largest Fundamental Baptist Church in my area... and we have at least one inter-racial couple... nothing is said. We have a large group of Asian people, nothing is said. Yes, we're still sinners, yes I've even made mistakes too, even on this forum in the past... but that vast majority are still truly saved (again, the vast, not everyone who names the name of Christ is truly saved) What's more disconcerting is your flippant attitude towards those who name the name of Christ... you should rather be afraid and be asking God for His mercy. Because if you're like this now, wait until you're burning.

well, that is pretty easy: how many different manuals are there for "religous people"? as far as I know - for the cult called "christians", there are very few, and they all use the same ones. and, they are the same ones used for a long long long time. the same ones used to burn witches. the same ones used to burn jews. the same ones used to enslave these very same negros. the same ones used to commit genocide upon the entire continent of N.America.

and, if we are to believe the BS about "all muslims" based on a few muslims - well, them same ignorance should apply to christians.

but - I fully understand the desire to pick and choose which stereotypes are true, and which are not. heck - this very church is taking votes on negros based on stereotypes, is it not? so - yes - I 100% that stereotyping is foolish. but, it seems that is what christians do. so, WTF. I am sure there are endless excuses lined up. but - they are only acceptable when the christians STOP stereotyping. and we all know that will NOT happen. it is in the very core of the religion to seperate humans in an "us vs them" fashion. likely left over from the orginals liars, The Jews, and even more reinforced by the latest liars, the Muslims.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: it is in the very core of the religion to seperate humans in an "us vs them" fashion.

That is human nature, has nothing to do with religion. You can remove religion and it will still happen. Does religion nuture it? Sometimes, but it is not the cause.

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