7.62x25 Tokarev Barrel kit, 5 inch, for 1911 Gov't models in 9mm or 38 Super. New, by J&G Sales.
7-2333
$189.95
http://www.jgsales.com/7.62...g-sales.-p-5619.html

I would think you would need another main spring and magazine too? ( if not a upper receiver too.. )

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I would think you would need another main spring and magazine too? ( if not a upper receiver too.. )

This is an exclusive J&G Sales custom barrel conversion kit that will change a Government model 1911 in 9mm or 38 Super to use 7.62x25 ammunition. This kit comes with a custom 5 inch stainless steel barrel, link, pin, and bushing.

The requirements for the conversion are as follows: Your 9mm or 38Super Government model 1911 must have a non-ramped frame (such as Colt, Rock Island, Taurus) and also requires the use of a 38Super magazine, which will accept 4-8 rounds of surplus or commercial ammunition. The barrel and bushings may require minimal fitting. Does not work on 45ACP guns.

You can use the drop down menu above to add an optional Wolff spring.

For best results we recommend the magazine associated below, part # 4-793

quote Originally posted by dennis_6: This is an exclusive J&G Sales custom barrel conversion kit that will change a Government model 1911 in 9mm or 38 Super to use 7.62x25 ammunition. This kit comes with a custom 5 inch stainless steel barrel, link, pin, and bushing. The requirements for the conversion are as follows: Your 9mm or 38Super Government model 1911 must have a non-ramped frame (such as Colt, Rock Island, Taurus) and also requires the use of a 38Super magazine, which will accept 4-8 rounds of surplus or commercial ammunition. The barrel and bushings may require minimal fitting. Does not work on 45ACP guns. You can use the drop down menu above to add an optional Wolff spring. For best results we recommend the magazine associated below, part # 4-793

True, a 38 is far closer to that caliber than 45 I tend to forget that there are other calibers for a 1911.. ( i keep thinking traditional )

Reason i was thinking that the barrel was just part of the kit is how i have seen those things work with Glocks with those 22 conversions, or AR-15 22 cal conversions..

What's the advantage of this? Just the ability to use surplus ammo?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: What's the advantage of this? Just the ability to use surplus ammo?

Some 7.62x25 has 500lbs of energy at the muzzle, flight path is much flatter than 9mm. Also punches through metal pretty good.
Surplus is corrosive, but non corrosive ammo isn't expensive.
http://www.ammunitiontogo.c...x25-tokarev-fmj-ammo
S&B 500 rounds $180.95


Deepest Penetration Depth : 11.8 ± 0.05 Inch-Thats almost the 'required' 12 inches of penetration AFTER TOTALLY DEFEATING a level II vest.And thats a basic FMJ with standard lead core,available over the counter by Sellier and Bellot.
Also,please note that the FMJ projectile actually EXPANDED to ABOVE .45 caliber-Bullet recovered average diameter – 0.462.The weight might not be there,but the penetration and the diameter sure is.And I'll be willing to bet it expanded to that diameter because of breaching that vest,so were looking at a .46 caliber hole for just shy of 12 inches-in other words,this is a .46 caliber wound passing the total length of 'soft tissue' terminal ballistics,all the way thru the 'bad guy'-AFTER defeating his vest.
Not bad.
Not bad at all.
http://forums.gunboards.com...ar-Penetration-Issue

JE223
December 27, 2006, 06:54 PM
Cartridge: 85gr Sellier and Bellot FMJ

Firearm: CZ-52 with 4.6" barrel length

Block calibration: 593 ft/sec and 10.3cm penetration

Single shot was fired to the center of the block from a distance of 6 feet. Bullet impacted the block at 1510 ft/sec, penetrated 16.0" of ballistic gelatin, 10" of polyester bullet arresting box (roughly equivalent to 12" of ballistic gelatin), and 1.5" of loose-packed 'play sand'.

Bullet penetrated to 7.0" in the gelatin, when it began to tumble. Bullet apparently 'righted itself', traveling base forward from 14.5" onwards. Interestingly, the bullet was recovered from the playsand, in a sideways attitude - indicating that it had once again started to tumble sometime after exit from the ballistic gelatin. Bullet was recovered with no deformation present.

I would like to thank JohnKSa for lending me the gun and providing the ammunition that was utilized in the test. If you found this information helpful, please let him know. It was quite a bear for both of us to get the shipping and such organized at this time of the year.

Thank you,
http://www.thehighroad.org/...ex.php/t-243642.html

Its a pretty powerful round.

Eastern Bloc Tokarev pistols can be had for about 200 dollars and are based on a browning design predating the 1911, but the grip angle sucks.

http://www.jgsales.com/roma...ndition.-p-6346.html

[This message has been edited by dennis_6 (edited 11-26-2011).]

quote Originally posted by dennis_6: Also,please note that the FMJ projectile actually EXPANDED to ABOVE .45 caliber-Bullet recovered average diameter – 0.462.The weight might not be there,but the penetration and the diameter sure is.

Very good info. Sounds like a nice round, but I have to question the comparison to .45 caliber recovered average diameter being 0.462".


It may expand to larger than a .45 caliber non-expanded size, but it doesn't take much of anything to get .012" of expansion. The bullet would have to remain virtually in tact for that to happen.

quote Originally posted by Formula88:

ooo pretty snowflakes.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Very good info. Sounds like a nice round, but I have to question the comparison to .45 caliber recovered average diameter being 0.462". It may expand to larger than a .45 caliber non-expanded size, but it doesn't take much of anything to get .012" of expansion. The bullet would have to remain virtually in tact for that to happen.

The interesting thing was it is a FMJ round and it expanded after defeating a Level II vest, and penetrated 11 inches past the vest. Making for a pretty nasty round if you were trying to hide behind that level II vest.

quote Originally posted by dennis_6: The interesting thing was it is a FMJ round and it expanded after defeating a Level II vest, and penetrated 11 inches past the vest. Making for a pretty nasty round if you were trying to hide behind that level II vest.

Absolutely. It sounds like a nasty little round. It definitely has some serious penetrating power. I wonder what it would do without having to go through a vest?