I didn't mark this as religion, as I didn't want to exclude anyone.
I figure that those who don't want to be involved will get their clue from the title.

My question is simply:
According to the Bible, Book of Revelation, and your personal understanding and belief, would it be possible for the Antichrist to be of either gender?
Or is that position reserved for a male only?

Thanks.

While I'm no biblical scholar, I have had a girlfriend that made me believe a woman could be the antichrist.

If you follow the prophecy of St. Malachy, we're very close to the end. http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Combining Daniel with Revelation everything points to a man...

Somebody that has to falsely unite the world and get the Jews and Muslims to sign a quazi-peace accord... There's quite a few people now that believe the Antichrist could be a Muslim. I also believe that the United States will be one of the main players in the end, and will probably still be numero uno in fulfilling Biblical prophecy as being the revived Roman/Babylonian empire.

As for fulfillment, probably within the next 100 years.

The gender is basically a male. The Antichrist is the same old recycled story of the demon or god that ruled the underworld.

Hades (the brother of Zeus) in Greek Mythology was the God of the Underworld much like the devil would have been in Christian mythology, although Greek Mythology is much older than even Genesis, so it makes the Christian Bible, especially the New Testament nothing more than recycle mythology stories borrowed from each other.

But then some Christians sects believe that anybody that denies Jesus as the Son of God as antichrist and therefore the Antichrist could be plural and include both men and women, children and little newborns.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: ... But then some Christians sects believe that anybody that denies Jesus as the Son of God as antichrist and therefore the Antichrist could be plural and include both men and women, children and little newborns.

Traditionally, children, particularly newborns, don't have the ability to understand, and, therefore, make a decision for or against Christ. Judeo-Christian thought varies a bit, as a boy reaches BarMitzvah at thirteen years old regardless of level of understanding. It could be argued that different children have different thresholds. My six year old has given her life to Christ, as have her older siblings (eight, 11 and 15). She knows that He died on the cross for her, and she understands what will happen to her soul. She also reads at a grade four and a half level. By the same argument, a developmentally disabled adult might not have the same level of understanding that my daughter does. I would think that s/he would be judged according to his/her heart, rather than according to his/her calendar age.

Back O/T, the Bible clearly states that Man fell by one man, Adam - despite the fact that Eve ate the apple first - and is saved by one Man, Jesus Christ. References to Antichrist in Revelation (and parallels in Daniel) are undeniably male. The devil, the serpent, the deceiver - despite psycho girlfriends that we've all had - are male figures.

Thanks, everyone. All responses are appreciated.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: While I'm no biblical scholar, I have had a girlfriend that made me believe a woman could be the antichrist.

Did you date one of my ex's? Or did I date one of yours?

quote If you follow the prophecy of St. Malachy, we're very close to the end. http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Very interesting. And not the first time that I've heard that we are near the end of the succession of popes.

I also remember the teaching (theory?) that 7 years of tribulation were supposed to begin with the establishment of a nation for the Jews.
Since that happened many years ago (assuming that a biblical year is the same as a chronological year) it would appear that that was a "miss". Or at least a misinterpretation.
I'm wondering if that 7 years will really begin with the establishment of an official Palestinian state.

Edit - I'm wandering off topic a bit. And I don't mind if others do, too. The whole subject fascinates me.
Although I do have a distinct reason for starting this topic.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: ... I also remember the teaching (theory?) that 7 years of tribulation were supposed to begin with the establishment of a nation for the Jews. Since that happened many years ago (assuming that a biblical year is the same as a chronological year) it would appear that that was a "miss". Or at least a misinterpretation. I'm wondering if that 7 years will really begin with the establishment of an official Palestinian state. ....

Not quite. The Tribulation begins, according to many interpretations, when Antichrist signs a peace treaty with Israel, allowing the reinstitution of sacrifices at the Holy Temple, which has yet to be built. There are those readying for construction even now; many of the accouterments that are needed for sacrifice have already been prepared. But the Temple site is occupied, so we won't see construction begin too soon.

quote Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: Not quite. The Tribulation begins, according to many interpretations, when Antichrist signs a peace treaty with Israel, allowing the reinstitution of sacrifices at the Holy Temple, which has yet to be built. There are those readying for construction even now; many of the accouterments that are needed for sacrifice have already been prepared. But the Temple site is occupied, so we won't see construction begin too soon.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I remember that now. Obviously I'm not a scholar.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I remember that now. Obviously I'm not a scholar.

I'm hardly a scholar, but we are called to understand the signs. "He who has an ear, let him hear."

It's been a while since I've read/studied in Revelation, but I have some sources to look up.

I interpret it as being a man.

The Antichrist basically will fool everyone into thinking he's the best leader to come into the world. Even without the other text in the Bible that points to a man, I don't see a woman doing that. Not that women can't be leaders--we see that all the time--I just don't think a woman could get a following from virtually everyone.

But Wichita aren't both of those really longcat?

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quote Originally posted by theBDub: I interpret it as being a man. The Antichrist basically will fool everyone into thinking he's the best leader to come into the world. Even without the other text in the Bible that points to a man, I don't see a woman doing that. Not that women can't be leaders--we see that all the time--I just don't think a woman could get a following from virtually everyone.

Does the annointed one (Obama) fill that role?

I don't think it'll be either. There are many references in revelations and the new testement describing "many will come and show you things." They will come and show us things that make us question our faith. They will show us enough to give them control of the world in the promise of peace but only 3 will rule. The devil, the beast and the false profit, I think. So, I don't know how many are comming or where they are comming from or if they will even have a gender, but I do know one thing. It won't be a muslim or a random Bible thumper that causes me to question my faith.

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: Does the annointed one (Obama) fill that role?

No. Wrong era for starters.

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: Does the annointed one (Obama) fill that role?

No, he is not "liked or followed by everyone"

quote Originally posted by Raydar: I didn't mark this as religion, as I didn't want to exclude anyone. I figure that those who don't want to be involved will get their clue from the title. My question is simply: According to the Bible, Book of Revelation, and your personal understanding and belief, would it be possible for the Antichrist to be of either gender? Or is that position reserved for a male only? Thanks.

Will it even be a human being?
Sound preposterous? Perhaps now, but in the not so distant future, maybe not.

Perhaps it will even be The Mule.

I'm getting a strange feeling that some of you actually "believe" in the Antichrist.

You do know it is just another Apocalyptic Story, one of many, that have been written during the ages. It isn't the first of its kind nor the last.

The Book of Revelations wasn't even written by John the Apostle as many Christians were told to believe and to top that off it isn't even Christian in origin but Jewish and the original text has been completed edited during the canonization processes (actually it wasn't even included in the beginning of Canonize Bibles) and some Christian sects don't even have it in their Bible today, such as the Eastern Orthodox, because the original text was so poorly written and made no sense.

The only reason why the Christian cults used it is because they were trying to find any story written around the 100-years after the death of naysayer preacher Jewish Priest known as Jesus that would fit with this crazy person's Apocalyptic views. They basically found this crazy story of Revelations, edited the hell out of it and then stuck it in as part of of the Bible around 400AD.


In other words, its a fiction story.

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quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'm getting a strange feeling that some of your actually "believe" in the Antichrist.

Are ya now?
Good.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'm getting a strange feeling that some of you actually "believe" in the Antichrist. You do know it is just another Apocalyptic Story, one of many, that have been written during the ages. It isn't the first of its kind nor the last. The Book of Revelations wasn't even written by John the Apostle as many Christians were told to believe and to top that off it isn't even Christian in origin but Jewish and the original text has been completed edited during the canonization processes (actually it wasn't even included in the beginning of Canonize Bibles) and some Christian sects don't even have it in their Bible today, such as the Eastern Orthodox, because the original text was so poorly written and made no sense. The only reason why the Christian cults used it is because they were trying to find any story written around the 100-years after the death of naysayer preacher Jewish Priest known as Jesus that would fit with this crazy person's Apocalyptic views. They basically found this crazy story of Revelations, edited the hell out of it and then stuck it in as part of of the Bible around 400AD. In other words, its a fiction story.

LOL!

quote Originally posted by joshua riedl: I don't think it'll be either. There are many references in revelations and the new testement describing "many will come and show you things." They will come and show us things that make us question our faith. They will show us enough to give them control of the world in the promise of peace but only 3 will rule. The devil, the beast and the false profit, I think. So, I don't know how many are comming or where they are comming from or if they will even have a gender, but I do know one thing. It won't be a muslim or a random Bible thumper that causes me to question my faith.

One of the "many" Wichita?

quote Originally posted by Khw: One of the "many" Wichita?

I guess you can say that. Makes the perfect cover for any cult doesn't it? Basically have you believe that anybody that tries to tell you the truth you can easily just discount it because it is just the devil's work.

The crazy ones are the Calvinist. They go a step further by saying that God has already chosen the people who will go to heaven by destiny and birthright. Those who are chosen will only be known by their complete dedication to the church.

There is a reason why sane people will follow a crazy man and drag their family to the jungles of Africa and then commit mass suicide.

Indoctrination of ignorant people is a very common practice art form to control minds.

Knowledge will set your mind free.

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quote Originally posted by Wichita: I guess you can say that. Makes the perfect cover for any cult doesn't it? Basically have you believe that anybody that tries to tell you the truth you can easily just discount it because it is just the devil's work. The crazy ones are the Calvinist. They go a step further by saying that God has already chosen the people who will go to heaven by destiny and birthright. Those who are chosen will only be known by their complete dedication to the church. There is a reason why sane people will follow a crazy man and drag their family to the jungles of Africa and then commit mass suicide. Indoctrination of ignorant people is a very common practice art form to control minds. Knowledge will set your mind free.

I hope you didn't think I was serious with that post. I was basically pointing out the irony of your post and the one that came in above it. This part of what you said. "Basically have you believe that anybody that tries to tell you the truth you can easily just discount it because it is just the devil's work.". My post was in jest, which is why I was "LOL". I'm not good at the use of smilies... It's always a after thought of mine thinking... Maybe I shoulda put a at the end of that, and then editing it to add it.

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quote Originally posted by Khw: I hope you didn't think I was serious with that post. I was basically pointing out the irony of your post and the one that came in above it. This part of what you said. "Basically have you believe that anybody that tries to tell you the truth you can easily just discount it because it is just the devil's work.". My post was in jest, which is why I was "LOL". I'm not good at the use of smilies... It's always a after thought of mine thinking... Maybe I shoulda put a at the end of that, and then editing it to add it.

Oh no! I knew it was cool. That is why I put the wink smiley in for ya.

I'm kind of a pudding stick. I like to stir it every once in awhile for these religious folks. It makes their blood boil a bit. I know they really try hard to block anybody that questions their faith but it also bothers them too because they think I'm just chastising their faith.

Maybe I can just post a nice heart warming picture of Jesus to mend my sins.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'm kind of a pudding stick. I like to stir it every once in awhile for these religious folks. It makes their blood boil a bit. I know they really try hard to block anybody that questions their faith but it also bothers them too because they think I'm just chastising their faith.

Of course, it is up to you to decide on stuff like that, but my own personal code is that I don't try to talk people out of their religion. Religion is personal, and I don't know enough about the universe to say there is or isn't a God. As long as you're not trying to kill me in the name of your religion, I have no problem with other's beliefs.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Will it even be a human being? Sound preposterous? Perhaps now, but in the not so distant future, maybe not. Perhaps it will even be The Mule.

MJ, you consistently surprise me. Nice reference.

-fh

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'm kind of a pudding stick. I like to stir it every once in awhile for these religious folks. It makes their blood boil a bit.

And that is why I gave you a negative rating.
I don't care what your beliefs are, but stirring the pot just to make someone else's "blood boil a bit" should earn you a ticket out of here. Heated arguments are common enough without recreational trolls trying to stir up trouble where there was none to begin with.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: And that is why I gave you a negative rating. I don't care what your beliefs are, but stirring the pot just to make someone else's "blood boil a bit" should earn you a ticket out of here. Heated arguments are common enough without recreational trolls trying to stir up trouble where there was none to begin with.

"SIGH"

No! It's just you do not like your religious point of view challenge. There is also nothing wrong with a bit of sarcasm and humor when discussing topics.

You are pissed right now because you're Christian and hate it when others discuss that Christianity is just another fantasy cult like religion is to many people.

I completely disagree when people say that religion is off limits because it's personal to what people believe. Well so is politics, lifestyle choices, ideology, creed or whatever and people rabidly attack each other for that on this forum and you are one the main pudding stirrers in that

I know a shirt that should be worn.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I don't care what your beliefs are, but stirring the pot just to make someone else's "blood boil a bit" should earn you a ticket out of here. Heated arguments are common enough without recreational trolls trying to stir up trouble where there was none to begin with.

If that was the case, 1/3 the board here would/should be gone.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: If that was the case, 1/3 the board here would/should be gone.

Most likely myself included, but I'm trying to be better than that.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I completely disagree when people say that religion is off limits because it's personal to what people believe. Well so is politics, lifestyle choices, ideology, creed or whatever and people rabidly attack each other for that on this forum and you are one the main pudding stirrers in that

If that was the case, 1/3 the board here would/should be gone.

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quote Originally posted by Wichita: "SIGH" No! It's just you do not like your religious point of view challenge. There is also nothing wrong with a bit of sarcasm and humor when discussing topics. You are pissed right now because you're Christian and hate it when others discuss that Christianity is just another fantasy cult like religion is to many people.

Actually I'm not pissed. But if you want to blame it on that so you can avoid responsibility for your own words, that's up to you.

Wichita has one of the biggest "Holier Than Thou" attitudes I've seen on the forum. Ironic, right? Only, his attitude is more "Smarter Than Thou".

Ah, the power of ambiguity.

the rev is by the 4th john

john the B wrote NOTHING and died early before JC died

john the D wrote the letters of john maybe

the G of john is by a 3rd guy not B or D as the style is different then the letters
and john the B was long dead by the time it appeared

the rev of john is by a 4 john who's greek and style is different from the letter or the G
and appeared way too late [after 130 ace] to be B D or G
and it is a rehash of the book claimed to be by Danial
but danial is written 300+ later then the claimed date based on style and greek words used


I do not worry at all about any of this really happening
as it is all made up anyway

but I do fear believers who may try to make it happen
as they are all to real

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Well so is politics

I disagree. Politics is NOT the same. If you vote for a person or party, and that party has policies that might adversely affect my life, then I have a right to dispute that party and it's policies. Religion is a personal choice that is about you as an individual. And don't bother tell me stuff about people voting based on religion, because you can vote against it.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I disagree. Politics is NOT the same. If you vote for a person or party, and that party has policies that might adversely affect my life, then I have a right to dispute that party and it's policies. Religion is a personal choice that is about you as an individual. And don't bother tell me stuff about people voting based on religion, because you can vote against it.

yes BUT then your DOGMA demands they be called RINO'S

quote Originally posted by Formula88: While I'm no biblical scholar, I have had a girlfriend that made me believe a woman could be the antichrist. If you follow the prophecy of St. Malachy, we're very close to the end. http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

ive had an ex that i was conviced was the antichrist....thats why she is an ex. well short of green vomit and a rotating head anyway......

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I'm getting a strange feeling that some of you actually "believe" in the Antichrist. You do know it is just another Apocalyptic Story, one of many, that have been written during the ages. It isn't the first of its kind nor the last. The Book of Revelations wasn't even written by John the Apostle as many Christians were told to believe and to top that off it isn't even Christian in origin but Jewish and the original text has been completed edited during the canonization processes (actually it wasn't even included in the beginning of Canonize Bibles) and some Christian sects don't even have it in their Bible today, such as the Eastern Orthodox, because the original text was so poorly written and made no sense. The only reason why the Christian cults used it is because they were trying to find any story written around the 100-years after the death of naysayer preacher Jewish Priest known as Jesus that would fit with this crazy person's Apocalyptic views. They basically found this crazy story of Revelations, edited the hell out of it and then stuck it in as part of of the Bible around 400AD. In other words, its a fiction story.