WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration's new drug czar says he wants to banish the idea that the U.S. is fighting "a war on drugs," a move that would underscore a shift favoring treatment over incarceration in trying to reduce illicit drug use.
Exactly. That was in 2009. He has now flip flopped on medical marijuana in California. See below.
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I guess that wasn't reported on FOX, which is why you had no idea about the story.
His policy on drug use is, it shouldn't be controlled by the federal government at all. Same for marriage and abortion. Those things have no business being controlled by the federal government. He would also blanket pardon everybody convicted of a non-violent drug charge. His position on those three things make him unpopular with the religious right. He is personally pro-life, and believes in traditional man/woman marriage, but he doesn't allow his personal beliefs to sway his commitment to the constitution. And believe that marriage in fact should be decided by churches, not governments, since it is a religious ceremony.
As for the rest, I always laugh out loud at people like you who say that a man who believes firmly in a government that adheres to the letter of the constitution as "extremist". Particularly when we have a person in office now who basically uses the constitution for toilet paper. So, in that regard, yeah, you make me laugh.
I actually am rooting for Ron Paul, hell, Bachman, Perry, I hope they get elected a full two terms. At the end this country will be such a complete disaster area that the Republican party will cease to exist. Hell, the best thing that ever happened to them was Obama getting elected just in time to inherit the mess (and blame) left by the previous administration. I was rooting for McPalin for that very reason. I honestly believe that if they'd gotten elected instead we'd have a solid 25-30% unemployment rate now and our economy would be in complete freefall collapse.
How is it you're so completley incapable of recognizing the stark differences between Paul and the others? I don't want the other candidates because I pretty much believe they're more of the same. Here's what's funny to me; you spend a great deal of time criticizing Bush, and trying to validate Obama. But look at the graphic that was posted. They're all just more of the same! Sure, they may tweak an idea here or there, but basically, they have all the same ideas, just different ways to go about it. Paul is the only guy in the entire list who has a completely different way of doing things: by the book. Follow the Constitution, period. You know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result every time. You call him "extremist"? I cal him our only chance for sanity in government. I actually wonder if you even know anything about him, or if you're just regurgitating the nonsense that you've "learned" from the media.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27111 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
I actually am rooting for Ron Paul, hell, Bachman, Perry, I hope they get elected a full two terms. At the end this country will be such a complete disaster area that the Republican party will cease to exist. Hell, the best thing that ever happened to them was Obama getting elected just in time to inherit the mess (and blame) left by the previous administration. I was rooting for McPalin for that very reason. I honestly believe that if they'd gotten elected instead we'd have a solid 25-30% unemployment rate now and our economy would be in complete freefall collapse.
I actually am rooting for Ron Paul, hell, Bachman, Perry, I hope they get elected a full two terms. At the end this country will be such a complete disaster area that the Republican party will cease to exist. Hell, the best thing that ever happened to them was Obama getting elected just in time to inherit the mess (and blame) left by the previous administration. I was rooting for McPalin for that very reason. I honestly believe that if they'd gotten elected instead we'd have a solid 25-30% unemployment rate now and our economy would be in complete freefall collapse.
HAHA! man you make me laugh every time you post something. HE CREATED THIS MESS, and he isn't getting ANY of the blame, him and the democratic party running the house and senate is what got us here, but its always Bushes fault, you can't take atonement for your own actions. You and all the other liberals are so quick to point fingers at a president but don't even look at the fact of who was controlling the house and senate. You want to know why clinton had such success? look at the House and Senate majorities. if he wanted to get anything passed he had to compromise with the REPUBLICANS. But alas, you are a liberal and there for talking to a liberal is like talking to a door, no matter how hard to you try and no matter how much evidence you provide to the contrary it still wont listen.
But back on the topic at hand this was posted a few minutes ago,
Results of the Charleston Country SC GOP Straw Poll from last week:
Ron Paul - 51% Rick Santorum - 17% Newt Gingrich - 12% Herman Cain - 8% Mitt Romney - 5% Micheal Bachmann - 3% Rick Perry -2%
hmm I wonder what the media says about it?
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So you'd like to see a depression just so you can say "I told you so"? You are despicable.
Totally agree.
That's just as disturbing as having a major politician say that his #1 priority is seeing to it the POTUS fails....for 4 years....of the entire country's time.
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So you'd like to see a depression just so you can say "I told you so"? You are despicable.
Too bad there's not a smiley face for suck my...
So you agree that if any republican/independent candidates get elected there will be a depression. Nice to see a spark of rationality out of that otherwise damaged mind of your.
I watched the meet the press video. I guess you would call it "body language", but what was with his eye movement? It made him look mental. Getting past that, I can agree with some of what he says, but not all. I have that problem with all of them to a lesser or greater degree though.
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Tigger Member
Posts: 4368 From: Flint, MI USA Registered: Sep 2000
The problem with this round of GOP candidates, it's the same as the last election, and same can be said of the current GOP congress, there is absolutely no leadership. Nothing, just the same old tired or spunoff ideas that have been tried over and over the last thirty years.
Another problem the GOP has become so vehemently anti-everything and so narrow minded it's barely possible to find a candidate they can actually vote for. For example, Romney, the guy is a waffle cone, BUT time and time again the real reason that comes out why they can't/won't vote for him is because he's a Momon. His personal faith is more of a factor than whether he's actually a good leader or not!
Kinda thought that. He should learn not to do that though. It made him look kind of sneaky, like he was looking to see if any one was watching and he was trying to get away with something. I know that's not fair, just saying.
Kinda thought that. He should learn not to do that though. It made him look kind of sneaky, like he was looking to see if any one was watching and he was trying to get away with something. I know that's not fair, just saying.
He is trying to get away with something.....restoring sanity to government. He'll have to be sneaky to pull that off.....
From a logical standpoint, there is possibly yet another reason to NOT blame the "mainstream liberal media" for the lack to attention paid to Ron Paul.
Considering how close the next election is likely to be and IMO anyone who thinks it'll be a landslide either way is kidding themselves, I would imagine the GOP would be apoplectic if the presidency was decided on the minute percentage siphoned off the popular vote by Ron Paul supporters....much like Democrats reacted to the Perot campaigns of '92 and '96.
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
So you'd like to see a depression just so you can say "I told you so"? You are despicable.
How about Mitch Mcconnel whose stated agenda is to defeat obama at any cost? Jazz was stating what he thinks would happen and what he thinks would be the upside.
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OKflyboy Member
Posts: 6607 From: Not too far from Mexico Registered: Nov 2004
Originally posted by Taijiguy: As for the rest, I always laugh out loud at people like you who say that a man who believes firmly in a government that adheres to the letter of the constitution as "extremist". Particularly when we have a person in office now who basically uses the constitution for toilet paper. So, in that regard, yeah, you make me laugh.
My God Taijiguy, I think I'm having a bromance moment here,I could not agree more. How can someone who's decision making process for EVERY political decision starts and ends with "What does the Constitution say about this?" be labeled an extremist? The Constitution is the guiding document that out country is based upon. It should be consulted as a guidepost for EVERY decision the Federal government makes, not treated as an inconvenient anachronism, something to be worked around at best or at worst ignored outright...
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Never think RON Paul with out thinking LIAR LIAR LIAR,I hate Obumbles but Ron Paul is a bigger liar,a royal sack of crap,,no one steals the tax payers money like outstanding gold plated POS paul,I am surprised he is still fooling people The only part I like about Ron Paul is his loyalty to The KKK & David Duke,, he is consistent,,. FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS JEW HATING NAZI,,FIND OUT THE TRUTH ,HOW HE SCAMS THE TAX PAYER ,,THIS GUY SUPPORTS BILLS THAT RIP OFF THE TAX PEEYER & WHEN THE BILL IS ASSURED PASSING ,HE SLITHER,S AWAY ,,CLAIMING "" NOT ME"" he latest scam is to make sure the Chinese control the Sea Lanes Ron Paul liar Ron paul liar Ron paul liar ron Paul & Liar are symetrical his name should be Ron Liar ,,a synergy ,,paul & liar they go together ..If his scum baggeness paul is nominated ,,the press has a dump truck load on this liar Rat, The republicans leaders know the truth about ratboy Paul,, the Obamanation would bury Paul in a flood of a landslide,, the republicans do not want to offend the many moronic droolling ignorant uninformed idiot paulbots who support KKK sympathezer PAUL I was a Paulestinian when the KKK stuff first came out ,but it was his hatred of the Jews & Israel that put me off.. I am extreme right wing but I hate ron paul for all the lying & false flags over the years ,, Think LIAR??no, just think RON Paul sammo sammo the left want,s Paul as your candidate Paul means Charlatan,LIAR,vote for Nixon,he,s dead a lot of the paul vote will go to Obumbles
Lincoln was wrong! you can fool a lot of people a lot of the time
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HAHA! man you make me laugh every time you post something. HE CREATED THIS MESS, and he isn't getting ANY of the blame, him and the democratic party running the house and senate is what got us here, but its always Bushes fault, you can't take atonement for your own actions. You and all the other liberals are so quick to point fingers at a president but don't even look at the fact of who was controlling the house and senate. You want to know why clinton had such success? look at the House and Senate majorities. if he wanted to get anything passed he had to compromise with the REPUBLICANS. But alas, you are a liberal and there for talking to a liberal is like talking to a door, no matter how hard to you try and no matter how much evidence you provide to the contrary it still wont listen.
But back on the topic at hand this was posted a few minutes ago,
Results of the Charleston Country SC GOP Straw Poll from last week:
Ron Paul - 51% Rick Santorum - 17% Newt Gingrich - 12% Herman Cain - 8% Mitt Romney - 5% Micheal Bachmann - 3% Rick Perry -2%
So let me see if I have this straight. You would choose to vote or not to vote for a guy based on one relatively minor issue?
And there we have the very reason we're in the boat we're in now. People vote on single issues, and not the big picture. Everyone has their priorities all f'd up.
"Hey, I don't' care if the rest of the country goes broke as long as I get my student loan!" Except, when you get out of college, there aren't any jobs because the government has bankrupted the country, so then you're indebted to the government for a loan you can't repay. Great plan!
i cant solve the rest of the countries pblems without first solving mine. if h is going to take away the very basic need of someone to get ahead in this country by limiting someones ability to get an education by nt being able to pay for it then yes ill not vote for him on that single issue. i dont care if the man puts a permanant colony on the moon or cuts taxes in half because even those things wont change the direction we are going in and if your to narrow minded to see that then clearly that is the reaon why we are in the trouble that we are in. just more rich people trying to stay rich and keep the poor poor. and on a side note yes i realizestudent debt is a problem but its more because people dont have good money management skills and less because the government makes them availible, maybe the gov sholdmak getting a student loan like givin out a loan at abank except not base it on inome and base i on the understanding of how the loans work and what will happen
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Of course you do. How classy. Not.
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So you agree that if any republican/independent candidates get elected there will be a depression. Nice to see a spark of rationality out of that otherwise damaged mind of your.
Only a damaged mind like yours could come to such a dead-wrong conclusion. Oh, and there you go again, trying to redirect the subject.
YOU said you'd like to see a depression just to fuel your sickening Liberal fantasies. You're not going to get out of this one.
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fierobear Member
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Weren't you championing the return of civil discourse here on PFF not too long ago?
Just another fine example of JazzMan's blatant hypocrisy. He doesn't seem to even understand the *concept*. Typical liberal, there is NOTHING that is too low for them stoop to, and he proves it yet again. Wow, between JazzMan and Neptune's suggesting that avengador should be kill pretty much sums up what kind of people these liberals are...low life scum.
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fierobear Member
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How about Mitch Mcconnel whose stated agenda is to defeat obama at any cost? Jazz was stating what he thinks would happen and what he thinks would be the upside.
I'm pretty sure McConnel was talking about Obama's *political agenda*, but I'd have to hear the quote and the accompanying context.
The problem with this round of GOP candidates, it's the same as the last election, and same can be said of the current GOP congress, there is absolutely no leadership. Nothing, just the same old tired or spunoff ideas that have been tried over and over the last thirty years.
WRONG, Tigger. The GOP in the House passed the Ryan Budget plan, "Cut, Cap and Balance" which would mandate balancing the Federal Budget, and proposed the "Mack Penny Plan" which would reduce the Federal Budget to balanced in 8 years. That is FAR from "doing nothing."
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Another problem the GOP has become so vehemently anti-everything
They are anti-far-left agenda, which is what the Democrats have been pursuing since they took complete control in 2008. Why is that important? Let's see what a businessman has to say about it...
RUSH: Let's do the opposite of walking on eggshells. Let's go to last Friday night, Fox Business Network, the Neil Cavuto show, and he's talking to casino mogul Steve Wynn, and Cavuto said, "The president will be having a campaign rally at the Bellagio. Safe to say that one casino executive who will not be there is the guy that used to own the Bellagio, Steve Wynn."
WYNN: The policies of this administration have destroyed the working -- the living standard of the working class in America. What is ostensibly the base of the Democratic Party is taking the worst hit in history because of the unbelievably uninformed policies of this president and his colleagues who have fostered this ridiculous class warfare, these nonsensical policies that have been proven to be ineffective and unsuccessful everywhere they've ever been tried in the world.
RUSH: That is Steve Wynn who owns numerous casinos in Las Vegas, also in Macao. Then Cavuto said, "So is Obamacare the biggest factor to you, Steve, as far as making decisions down the road and helping out these two Israeli gentlemen, I guess to expand there, you just wouldn't do it, you couldn't do it because you don't see the light here?"
WYNN: I can't see the light. I'm frightened to death about the future of business. My friend Harry Reid hung up on me the other day for the first time in 40 years. That's what it's come to. I supported a Democrat congresswoman named Shelley Berkley. I called her during Obamacare. I said, "Shelley, what are you doing? How do you do this? This is killing the unions and all of us who are supplying health care to our employees," and she said to me quote -- quote; now, this is not hearsay. Shelley said to me -- and she's running for the Senate, "Steve, I know it's terrible. My husband's a doctor. He hates it, too. But if I don't vote for it, she will punish me." "She" being Nancy Pelosi. If any businessman or any working person doesn't understand that this is a turning point in American history, then I'm afraid we're gonna get what we deserve.
RUSH: Steve Wynn in Las Vegas. So Harry Reid hung up on him. Look, the obvious question is, "Why is he still voting Democrat after all this?" That would be my obvious question. "Why are you still voting for these people?" and you know I bet my answer would be, "They're going to win, and I need to be in good with the winners," but here it hasn't helped, with Obama it didn't help. This is amazing, talking about Democrat congresswoman Shelley Berkley. "I called her during Obamacare. I said, 'Shelley, what are you doing?' She said, 'I know, I know, it's horrible. My husband, he's a doctor, he hates it, too, it's terrible, but if I don't vote for it she will punish me," meaning Pelosi. "If I don't vote for it, she will punish me." Nancy Pelosi. Steve Wynn, by the way, is somebody who actually cares deeply about his employees.
One of the raps that big CEOs and large business operators get is that they don't care about their employees, that they exploit them just like they exploit the customers and everything. Steve Wynn cares deeply about his employees. I've met a bunch of people work for the guy, and they all love him. They all love the heck out of him. Now, you've got malcontents here and there in every business. It's not universal. But he's pretty much universally liked and adored and respected by people that work for him, and he has a deep concern for them, and he tries to pay them as much as he can and keep his business profitable and operating. But I only have one quibble with him. The working class hasn't been the base of the Democrat Party since FDR. The base of the Democrat Party doesn't work. The base doesn't work. That's exactly how they want it, too, by the way.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27111 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Here's the quote. You'll have to look for the entire speech.
Uh...Doni, that isn't even close to what McConnel said. Here is what dratts said:
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How about Mitch Mcconnel whose stated agenda is to defeat obama at any cost? Jazz was stating what he thinks would happen and what he thinks would be the upside.
Here is what McConnel actually said:
"Our top political priority should be to deny President Obama a second term"
C'mon, Doni, that's not even close to "defeat obama at any cost".
Just another fine example of JazzMan's blatant hypocrisy. He doesn't seem to even understand the *concept*. Typical liberal, there is NOTHING that is too low for them stoop to, and he proves it yet again. Wow, between JazzMan and Neptune's suggesting that avengador should be kill pretty much sums up what kind of people these liberals are...low life scum.
Man, it's creepy the way you show everywhere I turn...
I wonder....
I think I see a resemblance...
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masospaghetti Member
Posts: 2477 From: Charlotte, NC USA Registered: Dec 2009
"Our top political priority should be to deny President Obama a second term"
C'mon, Doni, that's not even close to "defeat obama at any cost".
So instead of trying to find solutions, work together, and solve problems, he admits that their top priority is to make Obama's performance as poor as possible.
That's utterly despicable and I don't see how you could say otherwise.
Notice i'm not saying the Democrats are any better...all of the scumbags in Congress are just as bad, I'm so tired of the left-vs-right bullshit, the country is messed up because BOTH the left and right are pandering to special interests and not to the common citizen.
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Originally posted by Niterrorz: i cant solve the rest of the countries pblems without first solving mine. if h is going to take away the very basic need of someone to get ahead in this country by limiting someones ability to get an education by nt being able to pay for it then yes ill not vote for him on that single issue. i dont care if the man puts a permanant colony on the moon or cuts taxes in half because even those things wont change the direction we are going in and if your to narrow minded to see that then clearly that is the reaon why we are in the trouble that we are in. just more rich people trying to stay rich and keep the poor poor. and on a side note yes i realizestudent debt is a problem but its more because people dont have good money management skills and less because the government makes them availible, maybe the gov sholdmak getting a student loan like givin out a loan at abank except not base it on inome and base i on the understanding of how the loans work and what will happen
So in other words, since most students are too lazy (that apparently includes you?) to pay their own way through school, or seek out scholarships and other types of assistance, then the rest of the country should finance their education? Got it. Uh huh, yeah, *my thinking* is the problem.....
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Posts: 27111 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by masospaghetti: So instead of trying to find solutions, work together, and solve problems, he admits that their top priority is to make Obama's performance as poor as possible.
Uh...no...that isn't what he said. If you don't want to discuss what he *did* say, we don't have much to talk about.
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masospaghetti Member
Posts: 2477 From: Charlotte, NC USA Registered: Dec 2009
So in other words, since most students are too lazy (that apparently includes you?) to pay their own way through school, or seek out scholarships and other types of assistance, then the rest of the country should finance their education? Got it. Uh huh, yeah, *my thinking* is the problem.....
In principle you're thinking is alright, but in practice eliminating student loans result in fewer people going to college and thus fewer highly skilled people in the workforce. AKA, a really bad thing in a global economy where Americans are already considered relatively unskilled compared to other countries.
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masospaghetti Member
Posts: 2477 From: Charlotte, NC USA Registered: Dec 2009
Okay, so denying Obama a second term at any cost - what does that mean to you?
How am I supposed to give you an answer when you won't quote the person accurately? You're arguing against something that wasn't said. He never said "at any cost".
man that would hurt my feelings if I had ever been married. What was that trying to accomplish exactly? your retort from your inability to listen and understand what people saying is something off topic and completely irrelevant?
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masospaghetti Member
Posts: 2477 From: Charlotte, NC USA Registered: Dec 2009
How am I supposed to give you an answer when you won't quote the person accurately? You're arguing against something that wasn't said. He never said "at any cost".
Geez fierobear, the meaning doesn't change.
"Our top political priority should be to deny President Obama a second term"
That better?
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I should have checked myself better before posting it as a quote, but to me "top political priority" and "at any cost" are not that disimilar.
I would respectfully disagree. To me, "top priority" (political or not) means it's your first, most important goal. "at any cost" means that you're willing to do *anything* to achieve that goal. Just because it's your top priority doesn't necessarily mean you will do anything, regardless of the consequences, to achieve your goal.
If becoming wealthy is your "top priority" to me that means making money and accumulating wealth is your primary goal. It doesn't say what methods you'll use. If becoming wealthy "at any cost" is your goal, that suggests you're willing to do anything, legal or otherwise. You only care abou the end result, not what you had to do to achieve it.
Maybe that's splitting hairs, but I see those as very different.
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