Or at least who got it.
Except Alan Grayson.
As promised, Congressman Alan Grayson, the fiscal conservative/ social liberal, is back.
He'll be running for congress in a new district that will be created around Orlando.
See, 65% of the voters approved an amendment called "Fair Districts" which effectively did away with the oddly shaped gerrymandered districts we had before.
After spending over $300,000.00 of taxpayer dollars trying to overturn the will of the voters, the not so fiscally conservative republican dominated state legislature was told to pound sand.
The amendment is law.
Grayson will be back in the senate before you know it, partnering with the likes of Ron Paul to fight corruption and waste, and working for better healthcare for Americans.
Anyway, he was the Congressman, along with Ron Paul (R, TX) who forced the audit of the Federal reserve. And he went after crooked bankers.

And went after the companies that ripped off the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He helped pass healthcare for poor children.

See an interview with the man here: http://www.clickorlando.com.../29414037/index.html


EDITED TO ADD: Thats $1.6 trillion, not 16 trillion. It was a typo.
Thanks to Don and Gridlock for pointing this out !
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I don't think he stands a chance. I certainly wouldn't vote for him again. I received emails from him stating that he would vote against the will of the people, because he knew what was good for them better than they did. He also proved to be no more than a liberal puppet.

I'm not surprised that you didn't watch the interview or read any of the links.
After all, none of them came from Newsmax!

From Graysons website:

quote The story that everyone in D.C. wants to tell is that the Democratic Party is disheartened and disintegrating. Teabagger Republicans are juiced up and on top. Or so the media says, over and over again. But you and I know differently. Because if you actually look at the data, it shows that you have helped me become the House candidate who raised the most money in the entire country during the last FEC reporting period -- $860,000 in three months -- from the most number of people. You and I did this together. We did it without French-kissing lobbyists and without constant boosting by Fox News. We did it through outspoken populist ideas. I told it like it is, on the war, on jobs, and on health care. And we're showing the Democratic Party that you can win when you have guts.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: From Graysons website:

Link?

Edit: Nevermind, I'll do it for you. http://www.congressmanwithguts.com/node/1037

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LOL! Alan Grayson... The disgraced and disgruntled thief can't go away quietly.

If you are supporting Alan Grayson then you have a serious problem recognizing bad people. Leftists usually do so it isn't a surprise.

These are the same people who believed in John Edwards and thought he was such a wonderful person. I could have told you on day one that we was a bad dude and he was the biggest reason why John Kerry didn't get elected President. But Leftists are blind and deaf and can never recognize bad characters in the public arena.

These are the same people who think that everybody on Death Row is innocent.

Take example of Harry Reid; Everybody who isn't far left will tell you that just by looking at Harry Reid they can tell he is a major a-hole, weasel, crook, and would slit his own mother's throat if it would give him a leg up. It is absolutely astonishing that people on the left cannot see it and vote (actually he just steals votes anyways) for this despicable piece of trash of a person.

I can recognize that W. Bush wasn't a bright person and wasn't really the caliber of a person that would make for an effective President. I can recognize that in Palin and in Bachmann. I can recognize the despicable trash on the Republican side, like Ted Stevens and Tom Delay (both kicked out of office). So the far right isn't immune to looking at only the (R).

Alan Grayson was rightfully kicked out of office after serving only a single term. If you still support him, you are an idiot. He is a bad dude!

But since he tasted power he is addicted and cannot stop trying to attain it and leftists sheep will continue to root for him. Some people.

I can see why you'd absolutely HATE this kind of behavior:

quote Grayson Recovers $8.7 Million for Govt. from War Profiteers DynCorp International LLC and The Sandi Group (TSG) Former U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson made a name for himself before he went to Congress by suing defense contractors for what he labels war profiteering. Now that he lost his seat representing Florida’s 8th Congressional District, Grayson has returned to that work. Federal whistleblower law allows private citizens to sue on behalf of the federal government and collect a portion of any money collected. Representing whistleblower clients Drew Halldorson and Brian Evancho, Grayson sued DynCorp International LLC and The Sandi Group (TSG), claiming the contractors had ripped off the government for work in Iraq. The companies settled the case with the U.S. Department of Justice in April, and paid attorney fees last week. Under terms of the settlement, the companies agreed to reimburse taxpayers $8.7 million, of which about $500,000 will go to Halldorson and Evancho. Separately, the companies paid another $200,000 in attorney fees. DynCorp paid the most — $7.7 million — to resolve allegations that it submitted inflated claims for the construction of container camps in Iraq. TSG agreed to pay $1 million to resolve claims that it sought reimbursement for danger pay that it falsely claimed to have paid its American employees in Iraq. Grayson, a Democrat who lost his seat to Republican U.S. Rep. Dan Webster last year, is running again. This time, he’s after a new House seat that’s expected to be created through redistricting. http://blogs.orlandosentine...tleblower-suits.html

Well, no I can't see why anyone would be against this.
Except maybe the thieves, crooked politicians, and their supporters.

Congress is badly in need of a whistle blower to throw a monkey wrench into the 'business as usual' machine.

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How do you actually hand over 16trillion without it being noticed? I know it just gets written into accounts, so that's not an issue, but doubling the national debt HAS to make a dent on something somewhere.

quote Originally posted by Gridlock: How do you actually hand over 16trillion without it being noticed? I know it just gets written into accounts, so that's not an issue, but doubling the national debt HAS to make a dent on something somewhere.

Well, yes, it did.
Deficit, anyone?
Until Paul and Grayson fought to bring it to light, it was just a dirty little secret that the politicians and Wall Street heroes thieves kept to themselves.

Before you champion your liar as a whistleblower, you have to know his background in ponzi schemes.

Summary:

Roll Call lists Alan Grayson’s largest asset is a claim against Derivium Capital, the now bankrupt Ponzi scheme, in the amount of $34 million.
Central Florida Politics lists Alan Grayson as the Derivium Capital scams most frequent customer.
Roll Call lists Grayson’s net worth at $31.12 million. Grayson’s only other asset is said to be a trust fund worth $5 to $25 million.
Roll Call states that Grayson founded IDT Corp. in 1990. However, Wikipedia.org states that IDT was founded by Howard Jonas in 1990. An article from January 9, 1992, in the New York Times, entitled, “Hot-Wiring Overseas Telephone Calls”, backs up the fact that the company was founded by Howard Jonas, not Alan Grayson.
Per taxprophet.com, the IRS has targeted Derivium Capital’s loan transactions as taxable events.

I guess you are happy to see that Alan Grayson is back to his old shakedown jackpot justice tactics again. I bet he earns a windfall from it.

Pretty thin, Wichita.
Grayson and Jonas were business partners, so?
He owns a bunch of KFCs in Indonesia. Does that make him a commie?
At least Kotch isn't involved!
And why do you hate whistleblowers?
You can't really be here sticking up for the people who steal from the government and raise the deficit can you?
I expect that from you know who, but you?
Frankly, I'm surprised.

More on the whistleblower from Central Florida at Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/p...11/halliburton200711

From a couple of years ago, before the audit:

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Well, yes, it did. Deficit, anyone? Until Paul and Grayson fought to bring it to light, it was just a dirty little secret that the politicians and Wall Street heroes thieves kept to themselves.

Well, yeah, but the last time I checked, it wasn't a 16 trillion deficit. That would kind of skew some of those charts and graphs

We (the Govt) "gave away" the equivilent of $1.5+ trillion MORE than 2010's entire GDP?

quote Originally posted by Gridlock: Well, yeah, but the last time I checked, it wasn't a 16 trillion deficit. That would kind of skew some of those charts and graphs

Its a TYPO:
Obviously I meant 1.6 trillion, not 16 trillion.
Titles can't be edited.
Anyway, thats chump change, right?
Who cares about a little $1.6 trillion?
I do.
Some people can't be bothered to look it up, but would rather just argue with me.

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i say down with big government all together... the only government that works is the local one because you can hang someone that betrays you locally where as once you get into the higher ups it gets harder. (i ment hang figurativly not literally)

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Its a TYPO: Obviously I meant 1.6 trillion, not 16 trillion. Titles can't be edited. Anyway, thats chump change, right? Who cares about a little $1.6 trillion? I do. Some people can't be bothered to look it up, but would rather just argue with me.

I was just asking for clarificarion, as I saw nowhere that figure was used in the total handed out since 2007 including TARP, Stimulus, QE2 and the current QE3 involving treaury swaps.
No, It's NOT chump change, but in this day and age where our TOTAL debt is reported to be about $14 trillion (ALL public, corporate, and private debt combined) I was really unsure if you meant the $16 trillion figure--but I gotta admit, that again, in this day and age, when you see the huge #s being bandied about in the global recession, it wouldn't surprise me to find $16 trillion had been spent.
A. Simpson's old "A million here--a million there and before ya know it we're talking real money" could (should) be changed to "A billion here-a billion there....".

In regards to big figures, I don't think ANYONE has a true sense of what the CDS/derivatives value is anymore, but it's way up there in astronomical figures.

Title edit--you can edit it if you notice the error right away and edit it before anyone makes a reply, but I've noticed it often takes forever for the change to actually show up and the new page load. I have seen people edit their titles after someone replies, but I don't know how they do it unless they ask Cliff to do it for them, as I have never seen that option still available after the replies have been posted.

To answer your question from another thread:

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Is this the same Alan Grayson that was on the TARP oversight committee and didn't bother showing up for the meeting that was to ensure TARP was wisely spent?

From the Gold Speculator:

quote Congressman Grayson joins the list of Congressfolk who are demonstrating their ability to "get it" when it comes to the TARP and other associated "games" that our government has run over the past couple of years. His latest salvo is in this missive (click to read PDF in Adobe) addressed to Neil Barofsky. The gist of it is contained here: Congress has very little information regarding the asset guarantee arrangements that the Federal government struck with Citigroup in November, 2008. According to what we do know in the Section 129 report filed with the relevant Congressional committees in November, 2008, the Treasury, FDIC, and Federal Reserve entered into a ‘loss-sharing arrangement’ with Citigroup on a designated pool of $306 billion in “primarily mortgage-related assets currently held by Citigroup”. This pool was “comprised of loans and securities backed by residential and commercial real estate, associated hedges, and such additional assets as may be agreed by Citigroup and the agencies.” http://www.gold-speculator....ayson-citi-tarp.html

This guy is a pit bull.

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I'm not denying that Grayson did good in the past, I even voted for him when he first ran. I definitely will not make that mistake again. He is just a mindless yes man for the Democrats and that is what I find problematic. I won't vote for someone who doesn't really represent the people, especially when they vote for everything their party puts foward, even if it is bad for the people.
This is the same guy that said "Republicans want you to die quickly" and helped pass Obamacare without reading it.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-068620.html
He also burst into an Orange county Republican meeting unannounced and uninvited.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-073777.html
The man is an idiot. Here is getting his ass handed to him.
http://video.foxbusiness.co.../pay-for-performance
How about the time he called a lobbyist an whore?
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-069311.html
How about him wanting people who criticize him to go to jail?
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-070723.html
He definitely will not be getting my vote ever again.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: To answer your question from another thread: This guy is a pit bull.

did you just use Ben Bernake as an argument?

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: This guy is a pit bull.

You got the "bull" part right.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: A. Simpson's old "A million here--a million there and before ya know it we're talking real money" could (should) be changed to "A billion here-a billion there....".

The "billion here, a billion there" quote was widely attributed to Senator Everett Dirksen but no proof can be found that he ever said that.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: I'm not denying that Grayson did good in the past, I even voted for him when he first ran. I definitely will not make that mistake again. He is just a mindless yes man for the Democrats and that is what I find problematic. I won't vote for someone who doesn't really represent the people, especially when they vote for everything their party puts foward, even if it is bad for the people. This is the same guy that said "Republicans want you to die quickly" and helped pass Obamacare without reading it. How about the time he called a lobbyist an whore? https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-069311.html He definitely will not be getting my vote ever again.

Lobbyists ARE whores.
The man spaketh the truth.

Not surprised you won't be voting for him.
You may not even have the choice after redistricting takes affect.

Speaking of the (admiddedly dramatized) truth, I love this clip:

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quote Originally posted by spark1: The "billion here, a billion there" quote was widely attributed to Senator Everett Dirksen but no proof can be found that he ever said that.

First time I actually heard it was in a Simpson interview, tho it has been said quite a few different politicians and pundits first used it or said it, including Sam Rayburn.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Speaking of the (admiddedly dramatized) truth, I love this clip:

So, he lied about Wall Street mucking up the economy and he lied about the Republican health care plan. Why does he have your vote ?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: So, he lied about Wall Street mucking up the economy and he lied about the Republican health care plan. Why does he have your vote ?

How do you figure THAT?
Maybe on FOX planet, but here on Earth, in the USA, he's spot on and you should know it.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Who cares about a little $1.6 trillion? I do.

I am so glad to hear you say that. Then you are just as upset with me at Obama for his $5 Trillion Dollar spending spree on ObamaCare, Stimulus 1, Stimulus 2, etc.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Speaking of the (admiddedly dramatized) truth, I love this clip:

Of course you do. And you have the gall to question MY class?

BTW, Grayson got his ASS KICKED in the last election and you still back that loser?

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I'm not surprised that you didn't watch the interview or read any of the links. After all, none of them came from Newsmax!

You know, Neptune, I almost went in for an interview for NewsMax back in the day... they're from West Palm Beach, Florida. I ended up taking the job with the Miami Dolphins instead.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You know, Neptune, I almost went in for an interview for NewsMax back in the day... they're from West Palm Beach, Florida. I ended up taking the job with the Miami Dolphins instead.

Good call.
Isn't that where the National Enquirer calls home as well?
I'll bet the Dolphins are a lot more fun than the tightasses at Newsmax.
Plus you probably sleep better at night.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Good call. I'll bet the Dolphins are a lot more fun than the tightasses at Newsmax. Plus you probably sleep better at night.

Hah, well... I quit the Dolphins a few months ago and moved to Maryland. I worked there for like 6 years, but got a better opportunity up here. I still have a lot of friends that work there though.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: You have no class. You have shown that time and time again.

Most of the time, you show up and drop some smartass comment into an established thread, then leave. You have NO standing on which to question MY class. That you would presume to do so is a pathetic joke, like most of your posts.

quote What you don't know about Florida politics would fill the Astrodome.

It doesn't matter. He was a U.S. CONGRESSIONAL Representative, and the clip you posted was about a national issue, heath care, and his smarmy presentation was in the U.S. Capitol. This thread's subject isn't about Florida politics. So you missed making any relevant point by a mile.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Its a TYPO: Obviously I meant 1.6 trillion, not 16 trillion. Titles can't be edited. Anyway, thats chump change, right? Who cares about a little $1.6 trillion? I do. Some people can't be bothered to look it up, but would rather just argue with me.

Pretty sure Obama used the same excuse. $1.6 Trillion...$16 Trillion...what's the diff?

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Tune,

There is the campaign, then there is what you actually vote on once elected.
Maybe this guy should run on the latter since he has already served.
Bailouts, health care, stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, Gm takeover, and the list goes on.
Might be nice to have a Dem run on his accomplishments even if he has to brag a bit.
Too bad this time around that isn't possible!

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Tune, There is the campaign, then there is what you actually vote on once elected. Maybe this guy should run on the latter since he has already served. Bailouts, health care, stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, Gm takeover, and the list goes on. Might be nice to have a Dem run on his accomplishments even if he has to brag a bit. Too bad this time around that isn't possible!

Well.actually, Mr. Grayson can and should run on his accomplishments.
If he had done that when he ran for reelection in a Republican gerrymandered district, he may have won again.
Someone convinced him to go negative and sling mud at his featherweight opponent, and he lost.
This guy isn't stupid.
He won't repeat that mistake.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Well.actually, Mr. Grayson can and should run on his accomplishments. If he had done that when he ran for reelection in a Republican gerrymandered district, he may have won again. Someone convinced him to go negative and sling mud at his featherweight opponent, and he lost. This guy isn't stupid. He won't repeat that mistake.

Got a list of the things he voted on, or bills he authored?
Grandstanding is no accomplishment, but that is what they are best at.
Don't get me wrong. it comes from both sides of the isle.

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For starters, see the very first post. RE: The title of the thread.
Alan Grayson and Ron Paul going after waste, fraud, annd theft.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Got a list of the things he voted on, or bills he authored? Grandstanding is no accomplishment, but that is what they are best at. Don't get me wrong. it comes from both sides of the isle.

For starters, read the beginning of this thread, and watch the interview.
Ron Paul and Alan Grayson went after fraud at the Fed.
And other places.
Thats what he does.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: For starters, see the very first post. RE: The title of the thread. Alan Grayson and Ron Paul going after waste, fraud, annd theft. For starters, read the beginning of this thread, and watch the interview. Ron Paul and Alan Grayson went after fraud at the Fed. And other places. Thats what he does.

So how many years did he serve?
Have they proven fraud, brought anyone to justice, or is is just grandstanding?
I read it, but seams the same ole "I have actually accomplished nothing to speak of, but I am trying, another chance please".

If that is all he has accomplished, he better stick to the "Blame and Attack" he ran on last time.
He is no different that 90% of the politicians, just more BS.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Its a TYPO: Obviously I meant 1.6 trillion, not 16 trillion. Titles can't be edited. Anyway, thats chump change, right? Who cares about a little $1.6 trillion? I do. Some people can't be bothered to look it up, but would rather just argue with me.

I was wondering where you got 16 Trillion from. Now it makes more sense.

quote The Truth-O-Meter Says: Alan Grayson says United States has fifth-most unequal wealth distribution in world "According to Wikipedia, there are only five countries in the entire planet that are more unequal than the United States in the distribution of our wealth," Grayson said. "That’s a system that Wall Street created, that Wall Street maintains, and that Wall Street enforces." First, some background on how equality is measured. The primary statistic used for this purpose is called the Gini coefficient. Gini coefficients range from 0, or perfect equality, to 1, or perfect inequality. We should note here that we’re glad that Grayson cited his sources -- in the midst of a national TV interview no less! -- but we’re also disappointed that his source was Wikipedia, which is open to editing by anyone. most important, these figures refer to wealth (that is, accumulated holdings) rather than income (the funds earned on an annual basis). To his credit, Grayson described the statistics correctly -- he very clearly said "wealth," not income. Among the nations ranking as more unequal in income than the U.S. were Hong Kong, Singapore and Qatar among richer nations and a large proportion of middle- and lower-income nations, ranging from Niger and Mozambique in Africa to Nicaragua and Honduras in Central America to Cambodia and Thailand in Asia to Russia and Turkey in Europe. Indeed, one reason that U.S. wealth is so highly concentrated among relatively few compared to the rest of the world is because so much wealth has been accumulated in America. If you’re a poor country, you’re not going to have much wealth to begin with, so there’s a mathematical limit on how narrowly it can be distributed within your population. This doesn’t mean that the pattern of wealth distribution in the United States is either fair or inevitable, but it does provide some important context. Wealth distribution in the United States may be unequal compared to the rest of the world, but its income inequality is not nearly as unequal. Luckily for Grayson, the Wikipedia page he cited had sourced its numbers to a peer-reviewed paper. The paper was coauthored by four academics, James B. Davies, Susanna Sandstrom, Anthony Shorrocks and Edward N. Wolff and published in The Economic Journal in 2010. Our ruling The peer-reviewed data backs up Grayson’s claim that "there are only five countries in the entire planet that are more unequal than the United States in the distribution of our wealth." Had Grayson used "income" rather than "wealth," the answer would have been much more mixed. But Grayson was admirably careful in his phrasing. So we rate this claim True.

St Petersburg Times/ Miami Herald: http://www.politifact.com/f...-has-fifth-most-une/