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rpro Member
Posts: 2920 From: Rockledge, FL Registered: Jun 2006
Plain and simple.....another killer walks away. And she didnt even need money to get away with it. I hope she has her 'bella vita' in some other country like Pakistan. Wonder how many new friend she can find in Florida.
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carnut122 Member
Posts: 9122 From: Waleska, GA, USA Registered: Jan 2004
The prosecution put together a crappy case. The best piece of evidence that they had was the local police found chloroform in the car but that was contradicted by the FBI's lack of finding chloroform.
The prosecution put together a crappy case. The best piece of evidence that they had was the local police found chloroform in the car but that was contradicted by the FBI's lack of finding chloroform.
Our system worked perfectly. It was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty of murder. She was found not guilty by her peers.
The system worked.
The problem with said system that if evidence becomes available that proves that a party is guilty without any doubt at all, they can not be retried for the same crime - yet on the other hand, once convicted they can submit many appeals to: either get off scott free, or, reduced time spent behind bars. The door should go both ways IMHO.
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by Boondawg: Our system worked perfectly. It was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty of murder. She was found not guilty by her peers.
The system worked.
yup. many of us have already convinced ourselves based on media content on verdict.
so, the Q: is the media truth?
anyways - yes - I too think the little witch killed her baby/toddler. but - WTF do I know about it except what has been presented (with bias) by the media?
so, again - is "the media" truth? and - how about another aspect - wtf does any of this have to do with any one of us?
The sad part is a beautiful little girl is dead who was in the care of the mother. I have seen hundreds of cases where that a lone put the mother in prison. The victim is forgotten again, what a sad day!
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
The result of this is now when you get caught doing any crime, just lie you azz off to everyone who will listen. Great lesson for all your kids too. Never ever tell the truth about a damn thing.
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Doug85GT Member
Posts: 9474 From: Sacramento CA USA Registered: May 2003
One of the world’s foremost authorities on corpses and the odor they emit bolster the prosecutors case when he said, “the odor of chloroform was shockingly high.” However on Tuesday an FBI chemist said the levels of chloroform in Casey’s car, “were not noteworthy at all” and that the levels are the same strength that might be used in cleaning products.
Originally posted by rogergarrison: The result of this is now when you get caught doing any crime, just lie you azz off to everyone who will listen. Great lesson for all your kids too. Never ever tell the truth about a damn thing.
lol - nothing new there that is already SOP for politics & management a lesson anyone who wants to rise above must learn hard & early
"I do not recall"
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Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
If someone in the jury had a reasonable doubt, it would have been a hung jury and retrial.
If the entire jury has a reasonable doubt based on evidence, thats "Not Guilty". Simple.
Since it wasn't a hung jury, then the 12 people who were actually in charge of this case (the jury) obviously saw and discussed a point that made them believe she was not a murderer. These are people the prosecutor agreed to let on the jury, so its not like they got 12 of the most bleeding hearts around.
How many people here were in that room, saw all the evidence, and heard the entire case by the prosecution and defense, saw all 3 months of trial, and every presented piece of evidence and discussed it at length (10 hours) to make a decision? None that I know of, and certainly if you were, then you voted not guilty. My sincerist hope is everyone who is so sure she is guilty without access to all the info and court time is NEVER on a jury where someone's life hangs in the balance.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 22809 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
If someone in the jury had a reasonable doubt, it would have been a hung jury and retrial.
If the entire jury has a reasonable doubt based on evidence, thats "Not Guilty". Simple.
Since it wasn't a hung jury, then the 12 people who were actually in charge of this case (the jury) obviously saw and discussed a point that made them believe she was not a murderer. These are people the prosecutor agreed to let on the jury, so its not like they got 12 of the most bleeding hearts around.
How many people here were in that room, saw all the evidence, and heard the entire case by the prosecution and defense, saw all 3 months of trial, and every presented piece of evidence and discussed it at length (10 hours) to make a decision? None that I know of, and certainly if you were, then you voted not guilty. My sincerist hope is everyone who is so sure she is guilty without access to all the info and court time is NEVER on a jury where someone's life hangs in the balance.
You really do put it in perspective with the no-hung jury aspect of it. What do you personally believe?
Personally, I would have conisdered it a blessing to have the chance to adopt that little girl rather than have her die like that. She looks a lot like my own two and a half year old daughter.
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Doug85GT Member
Posts: 9474 From: Sacramento CA USA Registered: May 2003
But note: Neither one of them denied the existence of Cholorform.
The FBI said the chemicals found were the same level as found in cleaning products. Which technically you can argue that it was found. In practicality it is meaningless and apparently the jury agrees.
I'll bet I have the same level of chloroform in all of my cars, kitchen, garage and my bathrooms.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You really do put it in perspective with the no-hung jury aspect of it. What do you personally believe?
I tell you what Todd, I won't make a decision because I know I dont have access to all the info... I think it would be a personal injustice to accuse someone or let someone off the hook unless I had access to every shred of evidence the jury looked at and the direction their discussions went. We may all be missing something they saw.
I dont WANT to be a fencerider, but I have to be due to lack of info we ALL have.. I am just not afraid to admit it. Thats why I am just going to have to trust the jury on this one, they saw every part of that case and ultimately not one of them thought there was enough evidence to declare guilt or it would have been hung. That speaks volumes to me. Is she ACTUALLY guilty? Maybe so.. but there is not enough proof, obviously, to condemn her for it.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
If someone in the jury had a reasonable doubt, it would have been a hung jury and retrial.
If the entire jury has a reasonable doubt based on evidence, thats "Not Guilty". Simple.
Since it wasn't a hung jury, then the 12 people who were actually in charge of this case (the jury) obviously saw and discussed a point that made them believe she was not a murderer. These are people the prosecutor agreed to let on the jury, so its not like they got 12 of the most bleeding hearts around.
How many people here were in that room, saw all the evidence, and heard the entire case by the prosecution and defense, saw all 3 months of trial, and every presented piece of evidence and discussed it at length (10 hours) to make a decision? None that I know of, and certainly if you were, then you voted not guilty. My sincerist hope is everyone who is so sure she is guilty without access to all the info and court time is NEVER on a jury where someone's life hangs in the balance.
And to that, I say bravo. I don't know how old you are, but you are wiser then some will ever be.
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Well she lived with her parents for free (or mooched off friends) Even her car is registered to her parents. I hope they have enough guts to junk the car and take all her belongings to the dump. Let her leave with the clothes on her back. If I were the parents, she would never set foot thru the door again. Sadly this girl is so promiscuous she will get pregnant again and know what to do all over again...only even better. Whos going to give her any kind of job knowing how she lies. Shes going to have to live with someone...no way she can get anything on her own. To have any kind of life, she will have to change her looks, name and move far away and hope no one finds out who she is.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
I'm sorta surprised that so many here are falling for the popular opinion. I thought we had more free-thinkers than this....
Do you guys really buy into the stuff the media spoon-feeds you? Or do you guys have some information that wasn't divulged to the jury of twelve people who sat listening to evidence for the entire course of the trial? I'm just wondering where the unanimous conclusion of her guilt is originating from?
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 22809 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
I'm sorta surprised that so many here are falling for the popular opinion. I thought we had more free-thinkers than this....
Do you guys really buy into the stuff the media spoon-feeds you? Or do you guys have some information that wasn't divulged to the jury of twelve people who sat listening to evidence for the entire course of the trial? I'm just wondering where the unanimous conclusion of her guilt is originating from?
Just got off of fox19 cincinnati's website... there is a simple poll on whether you think guilty or not guilty. 7% said not guilty... what does 93% know that the jury doesn't?
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Doug85GT Member
Posts: 9474 From: Sacramento CA USA Registered: May 2003
I hate to say it, but I have agreed with Geraldo, that she likely had something to do with it, but it wasn't proven. That has been the bottom line with me.
To roger: the entire family is so disfunctional, they will probably be on a reality TV show eventually.
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Old Lar Member
Posts: 13797 From: Palm Bay, Florida Registered: Nov 1999
There was not enough concrete evidence that she killed her daughter. Enough evidence that she lied about everything involving the disappearence of the child.
We will never know unless someone confesses. Strange that Casey's parent walked out when Casey was found not guilty of murder.
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Posts: 6570 From: Robbinsdale MN US Registered: Dec 1999
But like originally mentioned.. O.J. Walked as well.. Considering the average intelligence / rational thought today in the US I can see how those spoon fed CSI, Bones etc imagery could find "reasonable" doubt in their own minds.
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htexans1 Member
Posts: 9110 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
The media is having a field day with this-- Nancy Grace is "livid" crying out about "where is the justice" (CNN) even having a reporter go to a restraunt where the defense team is "having a party." THe restraunt has had to place a guard outside the door to keep the press/non customers away from the defense team.
CNN did not have the evidence, the Jury did.
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olejoedad Member
Posts: 18119 From: Clarendon Twp., MI Registered: May 2004
If someone in the jury had a reasonable doubt, it would have been a hung jury and retrial.
If the entire jury has a reasonable doubt based on evidence, thats "Not Guilty". Simple.
Since it wasn't a hung jury, then the 12 people who were actually in charge of this case (the jury) obviously saw and discussed a point that made them believe she was not a murderer. These are people the prosecutor agreed to let on the jury, so its not like they got 12 of the most bleeding hearts around.
How many people here were in that room, saw all the evidence, and heard the entire case by the prosecution and defense, saw all 3 months of trial, and every presented piece of evidence and discussed it at length (10 hours) to make a decision? None that I know of, and certainly if you were, then you voted not guilty. My sincerist hope is everyone who is so sure she is guilty without access to all the info and court time is NEVER on a jury where someone's life hangs in the balance.
Well said, tbone. this is the way our system works.
YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
We all have Bart Simpson to blame for the line "Nobody saw me do it, you can't prove a thing" - such thought works against our system of values - honesty, hard work, personal honor and respect for others.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Considering the average intelligence / rational thought today in the US I can see how those spoon fed CSI, Bones etc imagery could find "reasonable" doubt in their own minds.
Except for everyone here, of coarse?
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
The parents walked out because they, better than anyone, knew she did it. She destroyed the family herself. She knew mom had her figured out and she accused dad and brother of molesting her. If any of them now side with her after the verdict, there MUCH dumber than I even thought.
Yes the general public was privy to far more information than the jury recieved. Byez fought tooth and nail to keep LOTS of evidence out and what he did keep out was obviously enough to get her off.
I'm sorta surprised that so many here are falling for the popular opinion. I thought we had more free-thinkers than this....
Do you guys really buy into the stuff the media spoon-feeds you? Or do you guys have some information that wasn't divulged to the jury of twelve people who sat listening to evidence for the entire course of the trial? I'm just wondering where the unanimous conclusion of her guilt is originating from?
The system worked as it was supposed to, just because the media had already made a noose for her means nothing.