This is the only post I can think of that I've made that I'm just entirely ashamed of.

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Sucks, doesn't it.

Wait a while and have her reapply.
There are several people on here who have applied for disability benefits and were turned down the first time. You have to keep trying.
Hopefully some of those folks will chime in.

Dayuuuum good rant

That's not uncommon. It can be beaten, but you'll need a lawyer.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Sucks, doesn't it. Wait a while and have her reapply. There are several people on here who have applied for disability benefits and were turned down the first time. You have to keep trying. Hopefully some of those folks will chime in.

Thanks for the advice.
I have calmed down a lot.
Guess I just needed to type it all out.

I'm fine with never getting benefits for myself, but I just can't stand seeing my mom trying so hard to get around and not getting anything she paid for. I'm giving practically all my income to them and it's still hard for us. I just spent a few days at home helping her get around the house and even doing gross things, and I just hate seeing her like this.
Not for me. I love my mom and would love her the same even if she was completely unresponsive. I just know she's in a lot of emotional pain and this is hard and I just hate hate HATE it.

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Removed post by request of OP. We all make mistakes in the heat of the moment, God knows I have made my share. I feel yours is not a big deal here, but I respect your request and will do this for someone I have come to feel very happy to know in my time here. I am STILL hoping your mom gets this, update us sometime in a different thread if she has.

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: You certainly are hate filled this evening, arent you? Sounds to me like YOU want entitlements and now you are pissing and moaning because it didn't come with a bow wrapped up around it. Get used to it, Jack, I know more than one paralyzed person and my friend Anna does not get JACK. She does what she can to earn a living, and is 3/4 paralyzed. What she doesnt do is go on an internet forum blaming everyone else because she is too lazy to wait for a handout. You want to blame liberals, do it. Its easier. The fact is "Its too hard" has become your generation's battlecry, and thats the real issue here. You would rather spend time complaining instead of organizing an effort to apply again, or maybe raise awareness and help out your mom as well as others who are paralyzed. People I bet you never even ONCE thought about until your mom's issue brought it to light.

Nope, that's not it.
I don't want ANY entitlement programs, but if they are going to be forced upon me to pay for, then I expect to be able to receive that "insurance" if it's necessary.
She's gonna apply again, and she's gonna go back to work. In the meantime, I'm giving almost all of my paycheck to them.

I had a very dear friend of mine in my Youth Group throughout Middle School and High School that was paralyzed. I have also worked with a lot of mentally disabled children and adults that have received money from the government. I think about them. I know them.

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quote Originally posted by theBDub: Removed post by request of OP. He was very angry and regretts the manner and the words in which he chose to express that. Been there myself. From mistakes, comes growth. I gotta' support that, as I foresee making a few more myself.

I know you are angry, but your post is full of all kinds of inaccrurate blame-placing & double-standards.
I get what you are saying and I think your mom indeed deserves to get her benifets, but be prepaired that some here will tell you that she does not, and that it should be abolished.
On second thought, I bet they WON'T come here and tell you that, even though that is exactly what they have said many times.

I don't think it is a liberal, dem, or repub problem.
It is a bureaucracy problem.
As always.

I wish your mom the best, and she may just need to get a lawyer to get it done.
It is the way of the bureaucracy.

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Just buy her a scooter. We bought my grandma one for a few hundred bucks on ebay. She had polio when she was a kid, plus now she is super fat and lazy, so it helps her out a lot. Also, if she was rear ended, where is the truck driver's insurance?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I know you are angry, but your post is full of all kinds of inaccrurate blame-placing & double-standards. I get what you are saying and I think your mom indeed deserves to get her benifets, but be prepaired that some here will tell you that she does not, and that it should be abolished. On second thought, I bet they WON'T come here and tell you that, even though that is exactly what they have said many times. I don't think it is a liberal, dem, or repub problem. It is a bureaucracy problem. As always. I wish your mom the best, and she may just need to get a lawyer to get it done. It is the way of the bureaucracy.

I totally agree. It should be abolished. My mom doesn't deserve money because she's paralyzed. She deserves money because she was forced to pay into a system for disabled people, then when she joined the ranks, they said sorry Sally you don't get a piece.
It's a liberal problem, because it's all about the entitlement philosophy that you should get something for nothing. That's why this program is in place. That's why there is favoritism based on economics. And it's why I'm so angry.
Yup, played the name-game. I didn't use double-standards though. Like I said, you're gonna put a program in and tell me I have to pay it? Fine. But then don't come and tell me I can't get the same money. THAT'S a double standard right there.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Nope, that's not it. I don't want ANY entitlement programs, but if they are going to be forced upon me to pay for, then I expect to be able to receive that "insurance" if it's necessary. She's gonna apply again, and she's gonna go back to work. In the meantime, I'm giving almost all of my paycheck to them. Does that sound like waiting for a handout? Didn't think so, Jack. Oh, and I had a very dear friend of mine in my Youth Group throughout Middle School and High School that was paralyzed. I have also worked with a lot of mentally disabled children and adults that have received money from the government. I think about them. I know them. And yes, I still disagree with liberal policy.

Whatever man. You want to lay blame anywhere else...you want to complain and make it everyone elses fault. Cry me a river.

You dont like that your dad makes too much money to qualify for an entitlement handout and complain about people getting socialist handouts. Now you're just salty your Mom aint getting one... you'd be all for at least this entitlement it if your mom had gotten it.

Why dont you man up to your principles and tell your mom not to apply for it because it is a libearl handout then? (I dont think you should because you need the money.. but in your position I would not complain about entitlements when your family is trying to take advantage of one.)

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quote Originally posted by TommyRocker: Just buy her a scooter. We bought my grandma one for a few hundred bucks on ebay. She had polio when she was a kid, plus now she is super fat and lazy, so it helps her out a lot. Also, if she was rear ended, where is the truck driver's insurance?

We'll get it but it won't be enough to pay for everything. Our lawyers are trying to figure out a way to get us more than the insurance covers so we can actually pay the medical bills, but it's looking rough right now.

At this point, I'm way more calm. And I am sorry for my language, and the delivery. The message is important, but I didn't do it with class. I am not usually this emotional. Oh well, editing past posts is even dumber. I'd rather y'all see me at my worst than not at all.

http://www.ssa.gov/disability/

Read that, and I think it might help you figure out the situation a bit better. Social Security Disability pays benefits to you and certain members of your family if you are "insured," meaning that you worked long enough and paid Social Security taxes. Supplemental Security Income pays benefits based on financial need. In other words, SSI is based on family income. The fact that mom was denied SSI does NOT necessarily mean that she was denied SSD. They are two different things. SSI is basically for families where the main breadwinner is disabled and cannot provide basic essentials, and it is provided in addition to the SSD, which is based on what has been paid in over the career of the disabled individual and the degree of disability. It is a very long process, but it does go back to the time of the injury.

Try not to get your nuts all twisted up over this stuff. It is a long process, however recent improvements in the system are supposed to streamline the process and make it less of a battle. If I am wrong about the letter, I apologize for the useless information, but I find that a couple minutes doing research can save a lot of embarassment from making a jackass of yourself on a public forum with excess profanity and misdirected anger.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: http://www.ssa.gov/disability/ Read that, and I think it might help you figure out the situation a bit better. Social Security Disability pays benefits to you and certain members of your family if you are "insured," meaning that you worked long enough and paid Social Security taxes. Supplemental Security Income pays benefits based on financial need. In other words, SSI is based on family income. The fact that mom was denied SSI does NOT necessarily mean that she was denied SSD. They are two different things. SSI is basically for families where the main breadwinner is disabled and cannot provide basic essentials, and it is provided in addition to the SSD, which is based on what has been paid in over the career of the disabled individual and the degree of disability. It is a very long process, but it does go back to the time of the injury. Try not to get your nuts all twisted up over this stuff. It is a long process, however recent improvements in the system are supposed to streamline the process and make it less of a battle. If I am wrong about the letter, I apologize for the useless information, but I find that a couple minutes doing research can save a lot of embarassment from making a jackass of yourself on a public forum with excess profanity and misdirected anger.

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have just gone from talking to my ma and pa to the forum. It just wasn't the brightest thing I could do. Definitely played the victim card...

Thanks for the link. I'll pass it on to my dad.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Whatever man. You want to lay blame anywhere else...you want to complain and make it everyone elses fault. Cry me a river. You dont like that your dad makes too much money to qualify for an entitlement handout and complain about people getting socialist handouts. Now you're just salty your Mom aint getting one... you'd be all for at least this entitlement it if your mom had gotten it. Why dont you man up to your principles and tell your mom not to apply for it because it is a libearl handout then? (I dont think you should because you need the money.. but in your position I would not complain about entitlements when your family is trying to take advantage of one.)

You've worked hard your entire adult life, and have always paid your taxes. Now, suddenly you're paralyzed and can't work. You've been denied social security benefits for, really, whatever reason, and you can honestly say you wouldn't be upset? I'm pretty sure he's over the whole handout thing, but if I donated a certain percentage of my weekly paycheck to a government (i.e. taxpayer) sponsored social program, I'd be pretty pissed if I were told I'd been denied participation in the program.

'least...that's what I got out of this thread.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: It's a liberal problem, because it's all about the entitlement philosophy that you should get something for nothing.

BTW, Disability was added to Social Security during the Eisenhower administration, and passed through Congress with bipartisan support. Eisenhower was a Republican. Just thought you should know before you make yourself look even more misinformed.

quote Originally posted by 1986 Fiero GT: You've worked hard your entire adult life, and have always paid your taxes. Now, suddenly you're paralyzed and can't work. You've been denied social security benefits for, really, whatever reason, and you can honestly say you wouldn't be upset? I'm pretty sure he's over the whole handout thing, but if I donated a certain percentage of my weekly paycheck to a government (i.e. taxpayer) sponsored social program, I'd be pretty pissed if I were told I'd been denied participation in the program. 'least...that's what I got out of this thread.

That's exactly what my thoughts were. I was just too immature to put it into a well-thought-out post.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: BTW, Disability was added to Social Security during the Eisenhower administration, and passed through Congress with bipartisan support. Eisenhower was a Republican. Just thought you should know before you make yourself look even more misinformed.

Yes sir. I didn't know that.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: You're right, and I'm sorry. I'm embarrassed. I should have calmed down before typing this up. It's like the e-mail rule... NEVER send an e-mail angry. Even if you think it sounds perfect.

And the thing is, this thread is ACTUALLY being beneficial and giving you info, its a shame its headed under such a .. shall we say "heated?" ..title and opening post.

No need to apologize, I have been in a situation not much different than you and I understand why you are angry. Do that lemon to lemonade thing, because I have NEVER in my life seen one situation where throwing a fit helped matters. Not once.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Yup, played the name-game. I didn't use double-standards though. Like I said, you're gonna put a program in and tell me I have to pay it? Fine. But then don't come and tell me I can't get the same money. THAT'S a double standard right there.

When you paid in there was no gaurntee that you would meet the qualifacations to collect.
That's all it is.
You just have to meet qualifacations that was put in place to keep abuse down.
Not that it works, but that's why it's there.

But to just blame it all on "liberals" (whatever THAT label entails) for your problems is just very predgedice and simple-minded.
And inaccurate.

The blame can start with the person that hit her and should be responsable for all the costs, and then hand out the blame from there.
But the bottom line is we are lucky she is alive.
Everything else pales in comparison.

I do wish her luck in getting these money problems handled promply.
But you telling liberals to go 'eff themselves really just don't seem very healing to you or your family.

If you are religous, you might try prayer.
Some pretty remarkable things have been attributed to it in times of need.

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Social Security is not an entitlement. Wikipedia describes it best in the first sentence:

quote Social security is primarily a social insurance program providing social protection or protection against socially recognized conditions, including poverty, old age, disability, unemployment and others.

Why do you think that payments that you receive from SS depends on how much you paid into it?


I wish you luck, theBDub. Means testing a insurance program is a crock of **** . I hope your mother can cut through the red tape.


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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: When you paid in there was no gaurntee that you would meet the qualifacations to collect. That's all it is. You just have to meet qualifacations that was put in place to keep abuse down. Not that it works, but that's why it's there. But to just blame it all on "liberals" (whatever THAT label entails) for your problems is just very predgedice and simple-minded. And inaccurate. The blame can start with the person that hit her and should be responsable for all the costs, and then hand out the blame from there. But the bottom line is we are lucky she is alive. Everything else pales in comparison. I do wish her luck in getting these money problems handled promply. But you telling liberals to go 'eff themselves really just don't seem very healing to you or your family. If you are religous, you might try prayer. Some pretty remarkable things have been attributed to it in times of need.

I agree with you on some points, disagree on others.
But the SSA website has the info I need... and I'd rather just let the thread die now so I don't offend anyone else or embarrass myself further.

Applying for disability benefits can be a nightmare. It took me 3 years after my stroke before I ever saw penny one. My suggestion to you is to call your local senator. They have people in their office that do nothing but help with this process. Mine helped me.

Sorry for your moms accident and disability but you have to work threw the system. I was denied twice before I got a lawyer and then still had to go threw a hearing. And when I went in the judge asked why I was even there after looking at my medical records.

Good luck.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by theBDub: I'd rather just let the thread die now so I don't offend anyone else or embarrass myself further.

Cool.
You didn't offend me.
I'm not sure if i'm a liberal or not.
I usually wait for someone here to tell me what I am, weither good or bad, and then I inform them i'm not.
You didn't call me a liberal.
Although I DO suspect you think I AM.

But no harm, no foul.

Thanks Steve I will do that. I've met my senator twice and the second time he recognized the face, so there is a possibility he'll still remember me if I go talk to him. Doubtful, but a possibility.

Boonie, you suspect wrong. I'd say if there was a line, and on the far right we had fierobear, and on the far left we had Ray B, you'd only be a couple feet from the line on the left side. But that's just my observation.

I do indeed firmly believe and think they should abolish it (SSI) for everyone and I hope they do--and soon, but my opinion has nothing to do with what The BDub is saying. (I actually READ what he typed.)

Brennan--did she apply for SSDI or for disability under SSI? Under Supplemental Security Income claims, they do indeed count resources and assets as well as any income to determine whether she is eligible for supplemental Income under the disability section.

If she applied for SSDI, they do not--all they consider is the disability itself, and her work history in regards to what she has paid in under payroll deductions in SSI.

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/11000.html

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10029.html#part2

I suspect her denial came not from the SS administration, but from her states Disability Determination Service. (DDS) which I addressed in a recent thread. It is a state board and they have a LOT of power to 'Yea or Nay' even before it reaches a federal level--and ALL states, as mandated by the federal govt mandate, use this type service and system.

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quote Originally posted by theBDub: Boonie, you suspect wrong. I'd say if there was a line, and on the far right we had fierobear, and on the far left we had Ray B, you'd only be a couple feet from the line on the left side. But that's just my observation.

And if I believed in these lines you speak of, I'd think you are probibly right.

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Oh ya she should have been getting a statement every year of what she should get if she retires or is disabled. It goes by how much she made in her lifetime. I think they just stopped sending them out but she should have been getting them in previous years.

As I said it goes by how much SHE made when she was working. So depending on her salary over her working career. If she made a lot she will get more, as long as she did pay into the system and I am sure she did. Very few jobs are not required to pay into it.

Again call your local senator, no matter what dem or rep.
And oh ya, the amount ain’t sh!t compared to what she made. Usually about ¼ of a months salary would be what she would get for a monthly disability check.
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quote Originally posted by maryjane: (I actually READ what he typed.)

So did I.
He was generalizing, calling names, and placing blame on a single (political? idealogical?) group.

He wasn't asking for help or advise.
He was venting & laying blame.

What did you read?

quote Originally posted by theBDub: ...and I'd rather just let the thread die now so I don't offend anyone else or embarrass myself further.

Man... Don't sweat the small stuff. (Like whether someone is pissed at what you typed.)

I can only imagine what you're going through. I hope and pray that my family or I never have to experience anything like this.
To be facing a wall of bureacracy, on top of that, has to be intimidating and disheartening, to say the least.

Keep at it. Do the research. Write to your Senator. Hire a lawyer. Get it done, or make them explain why not.
You're a strong guy, I believe that y'all will be okay.

quote Originally posted by 1986 Fiero GT: You've worked hard your entire adult life, and have always paid your taxes. Now, suddenly you're paralyzed and can't work. You've been denied social security benefits for, really, whatever reason, and you can honestly say you wouldn't be upset? I'm pretty sure he's over the whole handout thing, but if I donated a certain percentage of my weekly paycheck to a government (i.e. taxpayer) sponsored social program, I'd be pretty pissed if I were told I'd been denied participation in the program. 'least...that's what I got out of this thread.

She has not been denied participation, she is still in the system. She just doesn't qualify because of family income rules. If her husband loses his job or whatever, she may rate.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: I do indeed firmly believe and think they should abolish it (SSI) for everyone and I hope they do--and soon, but my opinion has nothing to do with what The BDub is saying. (I actually READ what he typed.) Brennan--did she apply for SSDI or for disability under SSI? Under Supplemental Security Income claims, they do indeed count resources and assets as well as any income to determine whether she is eligible for supplemental Income under the disability section. If she applied for SSDI, they do not--all they consider is the disability itself, and her work history in regards to what she has paid in under payroll deductions in SSI. http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/11000.html http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10029.html#part2 I suspect her denial came not from the SS administration, but from her states Disability Determination Service. (DDS) which I addressed in a recent thread. It is a state board and they have a LOT of power to 'Yea or Nay' even before it reaches a federal level--and ALL states, as mandated by the federal govt mandate, use this type service and system.

Don, I couldn't tell ya.
All of what I found out was from just talking to my parents, and that was over the phone right after I got back to Houston today.
Maybe you can edumacate me some more this weekend.
You've got a PM by the way.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: So did I. He was generalizing, calling names, and placing blame on a single (political? idealogical?) group. He wasn't asking for help or advise. He was venting & laying blame. What did you read?

a LOT more than that. /\ I blew off that part because I recognized it as being completely unimportant.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Man... Don't sweat the small stuff. (Like whether someone is pissed at what you typed.) I can only imagine what you're going through. I hope and pray that my family or I never have to experience anything like this. To be facing a wall of bureacracy, on top of that, has to be intimidating and disheartening, to say the least. Keep at it. Do the research. Write to your Senator. Hire a lawyer. Get it done, or make them explain why not. You're a strong guy, I believe that y'all will be okay.

You're right too.
It's just humbling to me because I hardly ever "lash out". I'm very very rarely rash.. and always collected.
So when I fall out of that, it's just humbling. My behavior was unacceptable but I'm still growing up.
I've had a really stressful week between flights being postponed, taking care of Mom, going to court, and trying to do work through e-mails through it all.
But that isn't an excuse. I'm just learning how to better balance everything in my life.

I have to trust everything is going to fall into place. I really think it will, too. I'm so sick of lawyers.. not the people just the whole concept of the thing.. just another bureaucratic step to see the end. But we'll do whatever it takes. Always have, always will.

Thanks for the encouragement. I needed it.

I don't see any need to apologize. Even if it was just reckless blame, we all have to blow off some steam and someone's gotta be the scapegoat. You had to get that off your chest and now you feel better right? I think that's all that matters. Who hasn't blown off steam and said some awful things? The important part is you were able to calm down and reflect on it, as well as something positive happening from it(the info people have been tossing you). I wish you, your mother, and whole family well, man. I can only imagine the difficulty your family is facing right now.

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. .WASHINGTON, June 8— Independent hearing officers employed by the Social Security Administration said today that the agency had put improper pressure on them to deny benefits to people with mental and physical handicaps.............


It has never been a "liberal" problem when dealing with denied benefits. It's long been a conservative thing.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I blew off that part because I recognized it as being completely unimportant.

Be nice if you could afford me that same generosity from time-to-time.
I have never been half that inflamitory, yet have recieved twice the contempt from you.

Guess it's not in the delivery, but in the choice of what's popular to attack.
Liberals bad.
Guns good.

I just wish MY world was that simple.
I have the misfortune of being aware of balance.
I cannot just point at a group and lay all my blame on them.
Why?
Becouse it's ignorant.

I know the World is bigger then that.
Black & white is dead.
Shades is what the thinking man see's.
Becouse that is reality, and wishing it wasn't don't make it not so.

But hey, if a person wants it simple, he can just pick a group and pile all his blame upon them.
Worked for Ahab.

Now we will see what you choose to read over, and to read in.

Ok if you substitute the word date for the Astrix it all works out (Like a going out to a movie date)

Joking aside

Is your mom near the required age limit?

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I would get a lawyer. Your fathers income should have no bearing on her qualifying for her benefits. I was denied twice before I lawrerd up. Now I have my benefits.... benefits that I paid for.