My youngest son, Tim, tells me that last night Bryan tried to outrun a cop on his motorcycle, in Cherry Point, NC. He could be in the slammer for a while unless he gets $2300 for bail. I don't have it, but Tim gave me permission to ask here, and he will collect and get it to him. You would get your money back, but you gotta be patient, something like a couple of months.

Tim's email is: hitman_tim # at # hot # mail # dot # com (<--trying to fool the spambots).

At this point, that's all I know about it. Contact Tim for more info. Ordinarily, I would think his USMC friends would help out, but he just moved there last week, so I don't know how well any of them know him. Don't feel bad if you can't help, he did a stupid thing. But right now I couldn't even get a loan to buy a tank of gas.

I've never seen this kind of request on here before, so maybe I'm out of line, and just not thinking right at the moment (not that I ever do). But if you contact Tim directly, I won't know who does or doesn't pitch in, so it will be anonymous to me.

Thanks

Just as I posted that, Tim texted me and said the goal is now $1800.

imho let him sit in it... you fu*k up you pay the piper.

Let the nummy rot or pay his own bail. Kidding me?

quote Originally posted by HI-TECH: imho let him sit in it... you fu*k up you pay the piper.

I really-really hope someday your kids say the same about you while you are sitting in some police state lockup over some little frackup you got caught for....

That Karma thing---its a BEETCH.

Jail builds character.. hope he's not in there TOO long, though.

Chuck--If you're still up, chk your PM!

I honestly don't think anyone that doesn't know him personally is willing to pay to release someone from jail for his own stupidity.

Each of my kids know I will only bail them out ONE TIME, and they better learn their lesson then, because after that they pay the piper. Tim already used his Get Out of Jail card a long time ago, and he hasn't had a repeat. Bryan, well, I thought he was smarter than this, but he surely knows this one time is all I'll help in this way (and he didn't ask for this one).

Still, I don't argue that he's getting what he deserves. Help him out, or don't... that's your choice.

Tim says Bryan's C.O. won't bail him out because he's only been there 4 days.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: I really-really hope someday your kids say the same about you while you are sitting in some police state lockup over some little frackup you got caught for.... That Karma thing---its a BEETCH.

Every time my son falls down my heart skips a beat. My nerves are shot, he's a skater, but he needs to learn on his own. Daddy wont be there to put paper towels on his nasty gashes forever...He once got one over his eye from hitting a homemade truck bumper. Cut him good. I asked him if he was ok and he did a quick assesment, I could see him checking himself out, and he said, " I think I'll be ok" We camly went to the E.R and they put super-glue on his cut.

Guess what I'm saying is this, If I freak out and have a shizz storm every time my boy falls, Id be having alot of shizz storms! And maybe that would encourage his shizz storms?

Maybe he should improvise adopt and overcome?

quote Originally posted by mattwa: I honestly don't think anyone that doesn't know him personally is willing to pay to release someone from jail for his own stupidity.

He is fracking USMC......They are allowed to get a little stupid, as are all military.........comes with the territory of defending the freedom to be azz-fingered by some fat beech TSA agent and having the bottle of water taken away from ya like a good little sheep.....

P-M me on it

I would help if I were in a position to.

But I'm surprised you asked here, for the lack of compassion that has been shown here lately.

The big concern, is to get him back into his command as soon as possible--the longer he is away, the worse the charges (if any) under UCMJ will be.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: The big concern, is to get him back into his command as soon as possible--the longer he is away, the worse the charges (if any) under UCMJ will be.

They already have him on 134 catchall, if they wanted, so they may have their way with him when he gets done in civvy jail...

quote "...all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court."

..Especially since he has a new command. Wow, he is going to get totally pee-pee spanked. I missed ship's movement once and stayed on shore for 3 days...my first 3 days on that ship. hahah.. yeah, the c/o had no mercy on the new guy. At least cops weren't involved in my case. Good luck Jarhead!

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Art 134?
At Mag-14? Nah.
Swing with the wing.

UA at the worst,
I'll be surprised if it goes past his 1st shirt or maybe squadron level CO. Might lose a chevron, but hey--easy come--easy go.
I don't know any specifics other than what has been posted here, but a not-so-smart move on his part certainly.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Art 134? At Mag-14? Nah. Swing with the wing. UA at the worst, I'll be surprised if it goes past his 1st shirt or maybe squadron level CO. Might lose a chevron, but hey--easy come--easy go. I don't know any specifics other than what has been posted here, but a not-so-smart move on his part certainly.

Getting busted makes your stripes red.

When I was in the military...the standard rule was that the 1st Sgt would bail you out, but you would rather stay in. I would help if I could, but there seems to be no spare cash around here these days.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Might lose a chevron, but hey--easy come--easy go.

Your showing your age, maryjane....that isn't the case these days (or wasn't in the 90s when I was in at least). These days, once you lose a stripe, you are unlikely to ever get it back.

Sorry man,

Don't have the funds right now.

Hope he's out soon.

If I wasn't broke right now I would be sending money. I love that guy!

Brad

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: I really-really hope someday your kids say the same about you while you are sitting in some police state lockup over some little frackup you got caught for.... That Karma thing---its a BEETCH.

little? you read his post by any chance? trying to outrun a cop on a motorcycle last i checked that was considered a felony, why was he running in the first place?
but hes allowed to fu*kup and not be held accountable for his actions right? maybe we need get out of fu*ck ups for free cards to every one.

Wow... this really, REALLY sucks.

If I can be brutally honest, I think the best thing for the kid is to spend some time in jail while he waits for his court date. Hopefully, his record is otherwise spotless. Knowing what little I know of the court system, it would be in your best interest to say that your son is in jail to "teach him a lesson" and you should NOT get him out on bail. Jail will NOT be good to him, but it's not prison, he's not going to get raped or anything like that.

When your court date comes up, have him come up with a huge apologetic letter to the judge, saying his sorry, he was being an idiot, and have the lawyer make it known that you WANTED to keep him in jail until the court date specifically for the reason of him learning a lesson. With all of this done, the judge is much more likely to grant some kind of amnesty in this kind of situation... and let him out on a much lesser charge. You need to talk to a lawyer first before you get your son out on bail... seriously.

If you get your son out on bail, and then go to court, the judge is going to be much less sympathetic and will probably throw the book at him (FELONY).


If your son gets a felony on his record, he will forever have ruined his life. He will never be able to get a well paying job unless he starts his own business. Having a felony on your record basically destroys you for life. In some states, you can't even vote if you have ever had a felony.


I really hope someone backs me up here... I think it's best for your son (in my opinion).

Wow! This is a new low.

No luck with a bail bondsman? Or is $1800 what he needs even with one?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: No luck with a bail bondsman? Or is $1800 what he needs even with one?

Exactly! If he is not looking at a high class felony or something, his bond ought to be 10% of his bail, right? Would he not only need 180 to get out?
So unless his bail is actually like 18,000 and the 1800 IS the bond. If thats the case, your boy needs a lawyer RIGHT NOW Cheever.

Cheever,
I'm sorry to hear this. I have two boys of my own, and if they are anything like their Father, they've been really close to having to make that phone call. My own Father will never know how close he was to getting one. Unfortuately, like so many others, I can't actually help.

As for the "He should learn his lesson by staying in jail!" crowd. Did you know getting run over by a bus hurts? Yes? Did you have to stand in front of one to find out? Probably not. You don't need to experience everything to learn a lesson about it. If this is his first arrest, one night in jail will teach him everything he needs to know. I'm sorry your Dad was either abusive or absent, but being a dick to Cheever or Jarhead (I doubt he has internet IN JAIL) only shows you don't know the difference between "Tough Love" and "Being a Heartless Bastard"

http://www.wxii12.com/r/28183910/detail.html

Justices Rule Fleeing Police is a Violent Felony

quote WASHINGTON (CNN) -- They have become staples of many cable and broadcast television stations: high-speed, often dangerous police pursuits of fleeing motorists, videotaped and packaged into such shows as "World's Wildest Police Chases." In an appeal that came to the Supreme Court, the issue was: When do such incidents cross over into the realm of "violent felonies" that could lead to increased jail time? The justices, by a 6-3 vote Thursday, dismissed an appeal from an Indiana man who received an enhanced federal sentence because of prior serious offenses, one of which was for trying to escape in a vehicle. Justice Anthony Kennedy said that while the federal law in question does not specifically mention dangerous car chases, they clearly are the kind of crime that deserves to be treated more seriously. "Risk of violence is inherent to vehicle flight," Kennedy said. "It is well known that when offenders use motor vehicles as their means of escape they create serious potential risks of physical injury to others. Flight from a law enforcement officer invites, even demands, pursuit." Marcus Sykes had pleaded guilty to felony possession of a firearm, a federal offense. He had attempted to rob two people at gunpoint, according to court records. He also had at least three prior felonies on his record, including an armed robbery. It was the third felony that concerned the high court. Indiana's "resisting law enforcement" law provides various criteria, depending on the circumstances, for those who flee officers. Sykes had at one time used a vehicle to escape after an officer had ordered him to stop, which is a felony under state law. Officers had noticed Sykes driving without headlights, and when police flashed their emergency sirens, the suspect took off and a chase ensued. Prosecutors said Sykes drove on the wrong side of the road and through yards with residents nearby, then rammed a fence and finally crashed into a house. He fled on foot and was eventually captured, thanks to a police dog in pursuit. Under the federal Armed Criminal, Career Criminal Act, Sykes received a mandatory minimum 15-year prison term for the gun possession charge, enhanced because of his past criminal record. The law was designed to get tough with habitual felons through longer sentences. Sykes appealed, admitting he fled police and that it was a felony, but he argued it was not violent" The federal law labels as violent felonies such offenses such as burglary, arson or extortion, or where there is "conduct that presents a serious potential risk of physical injury to another." Kennedy said the "serious potential risk" standard applies to Sykes' driving behavior, since he repeatedly refused to pull over and submit to custody. "As that pursuit continues, the risk of an accident accumulates," Kennedy wrote. "And having chosen to flee, and thereby commit a crime, the perpetrator has all the more reason to avoid capture." This is the fourth time in the past four years the high court has tried to clarify the meaning of "violent felony" under the so-called residual clauses of the federal law. In a typically sharp dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the law, like the majority's efforts to interpret its boundaries, is ultimately a failure. "Today's opinion will sow further confusion," he wrote. "Insanity, it has been said, is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Four times is enough" in trying to clarify what are violent felonies under the career-criminal law. He said the statute should be declared "void for vagueness." Justice Elena Kagan also dissented, but for far different reasons. She said that under the state's own guidelines, Sykes' conduct was clear: there was no aggravated vehicular flight. "Because petitioner Marcus Sykes was convicted only of simple vehicular flight, and not of any flight offense involving aggressive or dangerous activity, I would find he did not commit a 'violent felony'" under the federal law. Supported by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Kagan said states properly distinguish among various types of efforts to escape police, and that the high court should have relied on those state standards to make its ruling, rather than trying to parse the federal law's definition of "violent" felony, which does not specifically include vehicular flight. Kennedy in his ruling cited a study by the International Association of Chiefs of Police showing that at least 7,737 police chases were reported nationwide from 2001 through 2007. Those pursuits resulted in 313 injuries to police and bystanders, or a rate of about 4-in-100. There was no indication whether the pursuit of Sykes was videotaped by a police dashboard camera, and if so, whether that visual record was used against him in the trial or subsequent appeals. The case was Sykes v. United States (09-11311).

I always love Scallia's dissents. He's the only one in SCOTUS I am glad is there.

Anyhow, I think this months's ruling may effect the case and whether its a felony or a misdemeanor. Some states can throw you in the slammer for over 10 years for this type of crime. Jarhead may be in a bit of the old hot water here.

quote Originally posted by Zeb: Cheever, I'm sorry to hear this. I have two boys of my own, and if they are anything like their Father, they've been really close to having to make that phone call. My own Father will never know how close he was to getting one. Unfortuately, like so many others, I can't actually help. As for the "He should learn his lesson by staying in jail!" crowd. Did you know getting run over by a bus hurts? Yes? Did you have to stand in front of one to find out? Probably not. You don't need to experience everything to learn a lesson about it. If this is his first arrest, one night in jail will teach him everything he needs to know. I'm sorry your Dad was either abusive or absent, but being a dick to Cheever or Jarhead (I doubt he has internet IN JAIL) only shows you don't know the difference between "Tough Love" and "Being a Heartless Bastard"

My opinion is that regardless of what lesson he learns from this, it's in his best interest to stay in jail on his father's account of "learning a lesson" because I feel that will show the judge that the father supports discaplin and I think this will help reduce the chances that the judge will give his son a felony. I think this is VERY important.

Might want to find a lawyer to deal w/ the felony stuff...

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... to stay in jail on his father's account of "learning a lesson" I feel will show the judge that the father supports discaplin and I think this will help reduce the chances that the judge will give his son a felony.

Although I respect your opinion, I'm gonna disagree with that. You can't fault someone for not wanting to sit around in jail the whole time they're waiting for their court date, especially if they have a job. And Bryan is no juvenile... I'm sure at his age, a judge will give no thought to his parents' action (or inaction) in the matter.

Edit to add: the $2300 was after the bondsman, whose fee is the $300 part of that.

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I did some work at Cherry point after i got out of the marines and cops up there dont mess around. Just curiouse what he did that he thought was bad enough to run from the cops. You may be able to hit up the Jag office for assistance on this. He can get lawer support for free that way and they may even be able to help out with the bail by confining him to the barracks. Would be at least worth looking into and you would just need to contact his command to get the details. not a good way to start out a reputation with a new unit. Having the felony can severly hurt his future if he doesnt get it streightened out. One of my marines went out that way and has been working in a matress factory for the last few years as a result. Good luck with this.

Lots to consider in this, and imo, what the civilian judge does or does not do is the lesser of the concerns, unless he throws the felony book at him and gives him hard time.

quote Originally posted by Cheever3000: Although I respect your opinion, I'm gonna disagree with that. You can't fault someone for not wanting to sit around in jail the whole time they're waiting for their court date, especially if they have a job. And Bryan is no juvenile... I'm sure at his age, a judge will give no thought to his parents' action (or inaction) in the matter. Edit to add: the $2300 was after the bondsman, whose fee is the $300 part of that.

Either way, the MOST IMPORTANT THING here is to alleviate the possibility of getting a felony. Do whatever you think you can that will reduce the chances of him getting this, or that could work in your favor for getting sympathy from the judge. Whether I, or anyone else thinks he should, or needs to stay in jail VS being bonded, is besides my point.

Good luck though...

Don,
Felony or Gross Misdemeanor, it doesn't matter. Even in the Marine Corps these days, his military career is done.

The days of your Platoon Sergeant, First Shirt or CO bailing you out and sweeping the issue under the rug with the military are over. I've bailed my fair share of Soldiers out of jail for drunk and disorderly, domestic abuse issues and just plain stupidity. The last one was about 2002 and that was a major accomplishment to cover that one up with the military.

This ain't your military anymore and this ain't my military anymore. No matter how much we shake our heads at how the military has changed since we were in, we can't change it back. (Words to me from my Father-in-law before Agent Orange took him from us 8 years ago.) The biggest reason why I hung up my 24 years with a smile on the outside and wincing on the inside.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: I really-really hope someday your kids say the same about you while you are sitting in some police state lockup over some little frackup you got caught for.... That Karma thing---its a BEETCH.

Sorry, to me running from a cop isn't a 'little mess-up' in my book. Yes, its hard to see a child go thru this, but it wont hurt him, and could serve as a cheap lesson for the future to avoid something worse.

Reason #1 that DFW riders need to stay in DFW. DFW doesn't chase, but almost everywhere else does. Hope jarhead learns the lesson to be taught. Would love to help but I just spent all I could on the dang car to get to MN this July. Jarhead you already know I'd give you my house to live in, the shirt off my back, and my car to drive... but what the wallet doesn't have the wallet can't give...

Cheever... on a side note at least he's not getting shot at. May use that line with the judge.
"Judge he signed on the line to give his life for your freedom when the need arises. So thank you for the jail time as he'll be one less fearless soldier taking fire for your ass."

As you may not like to hear that you know it's true so don't give me flack about stating the obvious. I've been in those shoes twice now as the brother waiting for the next phone call from his loved one off at war.

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quote Originally posted by User00013170: Sorry, to me running from a cop isn't a 'little mess-up' in my book. Yes, its hard to see a child go thru this, but it wont hurt him, and could serve as a cheap lesson for the future to avoid something worse.

c'mon....Like nobody here has taken a pure b-s luck exit or corner after zipping thru a speed trap a little quick to try and shake the fuzz ......sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, but if the opportunity presents itself, most will take it.......hell, that very b-s luck and an exit beside an area with lots of curved roads and short blocks saved me from a 135 in a 100 ticket not 2 weeks ago.

Hey I've called my dad at 1am asking for bail. All I got was "Well I now know where you'll be tomorrow"

My level of pissed about running from the cops is pretty high, it is very dangerous and the cops end up killing to many innocents. Sorry your kid is not so smart and hope it all works out to the best.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: c'mon....Like nobody here has taken a pure b-s luck exit or corner after zipping thru a speed trap a little quick to try and shake the fuzz ......sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, but if the opportunity presents itself, most will take it.......hell, that very b-s luck and an exit beside an area with lots of curved roads and short blocks saved me from a 135 in a 100 ticket not 2 weeks ago.

I have NEVER run from a cop. But then again, i have never done anything that would require one to chase me down.