quote Originally posted by fierobear: No, actually, that is not what I said. I didn't say there are "two types" of libs/Dems, I said there were one of two logical *conclusions* that could be drawn from their *actions*. If they neither advocate nor act in a (I'll add "generally accepted") moral way, or they don't bother to act in a moral way of behavior, then how can we assume they are moral people? If they do advocated morality and moral behavior, and don't live up to it, then they are hypocrites. In a separate post, I said that a Republican would be a hypocrite if they preached morality and didn't live it. Does that answer your question?

No it doesn't and neither does the two following posts. The attempt to classify Liberals/Democrats as a type of person or say that they(or any other person) is directly represented by the actions of a political figure amazes me. In my mind a politician is simply a person who has aligned themselves with an organization or party that they feel more reflects their own personal beliefs, the thought that they must all hold the same beliefs or opinions about morality or anything else is foolish IMO. The comments do help me understand why some are so willing to beleive whatever it is their so called "leaders" and mouthpieces say though. The idea of forming ones own opinions is less important than simply following what "they" say I guess.

I would say a person who preaches a certain type of morality and doesn't live it is a hypocrite no matter who he or she is. It's not a left vs right issue IMO.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: But following on to my point, hypocrisy is only an issue if someone states a belief in morality and moral behavior. That's why a conservative is a hypocrite if the don't "practice what they preach". If libs/Dems don't advocate or behave in a generally accepted moral way, how can we assume they have generally accepted morals? Or are there *no* generally accepted morals? Or is that the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives (a point I'd raised earlier) - that liberals do not believe in moral absolutes or in a generally accepted morality? That's where whitedevil88 raised the point about different communities having different standards. If so, how do we define morality?

Well, most Democrats do believe in morals... but unlike the Republicans, you've got anarchists, certain types of athiests, and everything else that run the gambit... and as we know all too well... the craziest sons of bitches always make the biggest headlines. You never hear about the people who are maintaining the status quo...

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: our Founding Fathers were liberals

So was Jesus.. If he where alive today, do you conservatives really think he would be a conservative Republican?.. If your answer is "yes", then you are totally out of touch with your own religion. He would most likely would have been a Socialist.

The guy is holding a news conference at the top of the hour.
There is apparently more photos sent to different girls, so much for the "I sent it by mistake".
Shirtless one just like the republican did!
Watch the snake sliver.

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quote Originally posted by Formula88:

lol - that does sum it up perfectly!

Andrew Breitbart just stole Weiner's news conference.
Waiting to see if Weiner backs out of his own news conference
Bizarre!

He just confessed.

The List has been updated: http://www.conservative21.com/Media/The_List.txt

Wow a completely different Weiner, he looks like he may start tearing up.
What a slime ball.

Rep. Anthony Weiner apologized for falsely claiming that his Twitter account had been hacked after a lewd photo showed up over Memorial Day weekend.

The New York Democrat admitted to having engaged in "several inappropriate relationships" with women he met online though never in person, but said he was not resigning.
Watch live coverage now on http://CNN.com/Live

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The first words out of his mouth. I deeply regret what I did, I apologize, "I am not resigning." Typical Democrat behavior. They demand resignation when others do stuff like this, but don't expect it from themselves. what a worthless sack of crap!

Jim

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quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: The first words out of his mouth. I deeply regret what I did, I apoligize, "I am not resigning." Typical Democrat behavior. They demand resignation when others do stuff like this, but don't expect it from themselves. what a worthless sack of crap! Jim

I guess lying to the press, his voters and the nation is OK if you say your sorry and wipe a tear from your eye.

Democrat's tend to not flush their turds

quote Barbara Walters: If Sarah Palin can still ride around on her bus and be considered as a possible president, this man can override this, stay in congress and just hope there is another scandal that will take him –”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011...gress/#ixzz1OX3Y0rL4


From THE VIEW

What does Sarah Palin have to do with rep wiener? (AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?)

I think even their "spin" machines are broken...

It also seems the honorable Rep Weiner also sent another pic: this one called "ready.jpg" leaves nothing to the imagination... What a piece of garbage...

So, it looks like Weiner came clean!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So, it looks like Weiner came clean!

I wouldn't turn my back on the issue just yet...that's a mighty slick Weiner you're dealing with....

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quote Originally posted by htexans1: What does Sarah Palin have to do with rep wiener?

NOTHING, of course.

quote (AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?)

It's the same crap the libs try to pull here in O/T. Don't have an answer, so they just try to redirect to something else. But it looks like they f'ed up on Palin, too. First, they accused her of being wrong about what she said about Paul Revere. Then they were proven WRONG. Don't these libs ever tire of being wrong?

Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account

Honestly it's not even the sending the pic that bothers me about cases like this, well depending on the dynamics of everything, but the not owning up to it and lying about it is the problem IMO.

quote Originally posted by newf: Honestly it's not even the sending the pic that bothers me about cases like this, well depending on the dynamics of everything, but the not owning up to it and lying about it is the problem IMO.

Politicians should never do things for which they may be blackmailed for.
There in lies the problem, well at least one of them.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: First, they accused her of being wrong about what she said about Paul Revere. Then they were proven WRONG. Don't these libs ever tire of being wrong? Experts back Sarah Palin’s historical account

hahahaha thanks I needed a good laugh today.

quote Originally posted by newf: The attempt to classify Liberals/Democrats as a type of person or say that they(or any other person) is directly represented by the actions of a political figure amazes me. In my mind a politician is simply a person who has aligned themselves with an organization or party that they feel more reflects their own personal beliefs, the thought that they must all hold the same beliefs or opinions about morality or anything else is foolish IMO.

If you cannot judge someone on their words or actions, how *do* you judge them? What is left?

quote I would say a person who preaches a certain type of morality and doesn't live it is a hypocrite no matter who he or she is. It's not a left vs right issue IMO.

Uh, yeah...I said that around two pages ago. Looks like you're late to the party. Did you at least bring some Molsons?

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Politicians should never do things for which they may be blackmailed for. There in lies the problem, well at least one of them.

On that we agree.

quote Originally posted by newf: hahahaha thanks I needed a good laugh today.

Uh...what exactly is it you are laughing about? She made a statement, the liberal media all claimed that she was wrong, and a couple of historians said "nope, she was right".

You start hitting the Molson's early today, newf?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Uh, yeah...I said that around two pages ago. Looks like you're late to the party. Did you at least bring some Molsons?

Looks like the point has escaped you again. You were clearly trying to say that it was a Liberal/Democratic trait, which is flat out wrong IMO.

I noticed you still haven't answered my direct question, even though I asked multiple times.

Not sure what you are trying to get at with the Molson comments, I really don't drink that often and if I do it's rarely Molson.

quote Originally posted by newf: I'm laughing at your linked article, I actually read past the headline.

So did I. They said she was right, although one guy tried to chock it up to "luck". THAT part was funny. Some people just can't admit they stepped in s***.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So did I. They said she was right, although one guy tried to chock it up to "luck". THAT part was funny. Some people just can't admit they stepped in s***.

What she said was...

quote "He who warned uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed."

What the experts you linked said...

quote Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.” Patrick Leehey of the Paul Revere House said Revere was probably bluffing his British captors, but reluctantly conceded that it could be construed as Revere warning the British. “I suppose you could say that,” Leehey said. “But I don’t know if that’s really what Mrs. Palin was referring to.” McConville said he also is not convinced that Palin’s remarks reflect scholarship. “I would call her lucky in her comments,” McConville said.

Either way, I've said plenty of times public figures are going to stumble on some stuff and I expect she gets challenged by some in the media more than others when she is let out of her cozy "Fox den", so I don't blame her for getting things a little messed up on this occasion. I just find the spin some like to put on this stuff humorous.

No worries either way hopefully she'll run for the Republicans and we'll see if she has the brains to handle it or not.

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quote Originally posted by newf: Either way, I've said plenty of times public figures are going to stumble on some stuff and I expect she gets challenged by some in the media more than others when she is let out of her cozy "Fox den", so I don't blame her for getting things a little messed up on this occasion. I just find the spin some like to put on this stuff humorous. No worries either way hopefully she'll run for the Republicans and we'll see if she has the brains to handle it or not.

If nothing else, they didn't say she was wrong. Period.

If you keep reaching like that, you're going to strain yourself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...litics-capitol_hill/

quote WASHINGTON — After days of denials, a choked-up Rep. Anthony Weiner confessed Monday that he tweeted a photo of his bulging underpants to a young woman, and he also admitted to online exchanges with several women. He apologized for lying but said he would not resign.

I will say his less than one year marriage to the sweet Muslim girl is history.
When this happens to a wife she will have a tough time dealing with the embarrassment of something as this if only the two of you know, let alone everyone in the country, and maybe more importantly to her, the whole Muslim world will play on this.
This will only inflame their argument about the West's loose morals.
Sure when she visits her local Mosque there will be a counseling session.
His argument that he loves his wife is pure bull, you never drag the one you truly love through this vial mud.

Now, after the 12th hour, the Dem leadership is calling for the head of The Weiner. Pelosi wants ethics investigations begun immediately. Would have carried a lot more weight had she done so when this 1st surfaced.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Now, after the 12th hour, the Dem leadership is calling for the head of The Weiner. Pelosi wants ethics investigations begun immediately. Would have carried a lot more weight had she done so when this 1st surfaced.

By 2PM your time, he will be back before the press, he is done.
On your comment, it takes them time to figure who they throw under the bus.
Doing nothing will be throwing a women, and a Muslim under it.
They will not go there.

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This could get a lot worse. I just heard an interview with Andrew Breitbart. He said that a number of the women that Mr. Weiner was sending pictures and sexual messages to are underage.

Will Mr. Weiner resign when this news hits or will he remain in office?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: This could get a lot worse. I just heard an interview with Andrew Breitbart. He said that a number of the women that Mr. Weiner was sending pictures and sexual messages to are underage.

If that's the case, he's done. Law enforcement doesn't have much choice, because it is like statutory rape, it doesn't matter if it is consensual, or if he didn't know they were under age, he'll be charged. That's just the way things work with this kind of stuff and under age females (or males, for that matter).

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: This could get a lot worse. I just heard an interview with Andrew Breitbart. He said that a number of the women that Mr. Weiner was sending pictures and sexual messages to are underage. Will Mr. Weiner resign when this news hits or will he remain in office?

Always a song that fits the moment!

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He'll get re-elected.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Pelosi wants ethics investigations begun immediately. Would have carried a lot more weight had she done so when this 1st surfaced.

Pelosi? Yeah right, didn't she promise us the most ethical congress ever or something like that? Oh yeah.

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Ron

Clean the swamp comes to mind!

Also, I heard Hugh Hewitt give a strong argument for why legislators need to be held to a high moral standard: they are the law givers and they make moral decisions on a daily basis with each law that they consider.

Things that John Q. Public can get away with doing are not things that any person who makes our laws should be allowed to do. Our laws should come from the best citizens, not the lowest common denominator.

Rumor has it, he was merely trying to contain the antimatter in his pants...

I'm getting REALLY tired of people in power effing the people, and effing people...and wasting a crapload of money in the process.