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How do thing this father reacted? I think he was awesome, kept his cool, made his point clear and strong. I think he did a great job being a parent when he needed to be a parent, rather then being his kids friend.

However Ruby feels he overreacted and maybe was a bit immature, in his delivery of his point. But she agrees with his message.

So whats your take?



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Dad is right. His choice and I agree with him. Does Ruby have any children? Parenting and trying to rear a child responsibly is one of the toughest jobs there is. Teaching a child personal responsibility is hard enough in today's environment. Too many parents take the easy way out. Children need rules and standards of behavior to live by.
That young lady's Dad is right on.

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Ron

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Dad is right. His choice and I agree with him. Does Ruby have any children? Parenting and trying to rear a child responsibly is one of the toughest jobs there is. Teaching a child personal responsibility is hard enough in today's environment. Too many parents take the easy way out. Children need rules and standards of behavior to live by. That young lady's Dad is right on.

I think her main problem was the repeated smashing of the phone. She felt the point was made right when he first smashed the phone, and that he didn't need to keep going with it. And no she doesn't have kids, and she agrees with his message, it was delivery that she didn't like.

BTW- I edited my first post in a effort to be clearer.

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this is why i never want a daughter

quote Originally posted by ShadowHawk: this is why i never want a daughter

I have three of them... /sigh, I'll be gray by 45.

no offense guys with my luck i will probably end up with more than one daughter myself. It happened to my cousin he now changed his womanizing ways

quote Originally posted by Khw: I have three of them... /sigh, I'll be gray by 45.

I also have three daughters and I was gray at 45.

And I think the dad was right on. Me I may have taken a sledge hammer to the phone and used a few more expletives.

Steve

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Personally I think he was perfect! He kept his calm but still was able to scare the crap out of his daughter. I remember points in my childhood where I was scared straight and it really helped. Lets hope this was one of those moments for this young lady.

And hats off to the dad for being badass, and actually giving a crap about his kid.

Nice Vette! lol.. Someone had to say it..

I've got a lot of respect for that man...

Though, if you wanted to smash it, you could set it in the expansion joint of the sidewalk and take a good swing with a cheap driver. Nice job, either way. Discipline is one of those missing ideals in today's world.

quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: I've got a lot of respect for that man... Though, if you wanted to smash it, you could set it in the expansion joint of the sidewalk and take a good swing with a cheap driver. Nice job, either way. Discipline is one of those missing ideals in today's world.

You said it!

Not only do I agree with it.. I sat Brooke down right next to me and made her watch it with me as well.

What the dad in the video did was exactly what I would have done and she knows it. It was nice to be able to show her that I'm not the only insane father in the world

Geez...how old is that girl? Maybe kids are growing up too fast?

'Until we are old enough, experienced enough in 'Life', and mature enough to understand respect...FEAR is all we understand...' .
That is what I truly believe . And until children experience what fear of Authority is...they will never have respect for it. Fear is a natural, inborn controller, and respect is a HUMAN-created state of mind.
And therefore, the 'spare the rod and spoil the child' adage is evidenced by the total lack of respect for 'Elders and Betters', which has all but evaporated in our soft and pampered Society. They don't understand what fear of authority IS, because 'We' are too darned soft on our kids.
When I say 'fear', I DON'T mean trembling in one's shoes to the extent of wetting themselves . But when I was a kid, we respected the 'Village Bobby' because if we DIDN'T, we got a clip around the ear from HIM...and ANOTHER from Mum or Dad when we got home.
We have 'hog-tied' ourselves as far as getting respect from children, because we are TOO soft on them. And I don't mean we need to be sadistic...just FIRM. And the respect WILL come back. Just take a look at the animal World. When a parent animal feels its young have gone TOO far, a gentle nip of the teeth, or a cuff with a paw soon brings the young in line
Nick

I was hoping at the end the daughter would say "But dad, that's mums phone"

I agree with the message just the delivery was off. He could have done the same thing by just turning off the service to her phone.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: I agree with the message just the delivery was off. He could have done the same thing by just turning off the service to her phone.

Agreed, he could have but, being a little dramatic makes the point. No issues with what I saw.

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Ron

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Agreed, he could have but, being a little dramatic makes the point. No issues with what I saw.

Same here.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: I agree with the message just the delivery was off. He could have done the same thing by just turning off the service to her phone.

No.

Having something simply taken away from you does not have the same impact as having it destroyed in front of you..

If it's taken away.. there's still a chance that you can get it back..

Smash it to a thousand little pieces before your very eyes.. it's gone forever.

I think the Dad was 100% int he right. If she was MY daughter, she would be locked in her room til she was 35!!

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: I agree with the message just the delivery was off. He could have done the same thing by just turning off the service to her phone.

That is what i would have done. Make her carry around the dead phone to remind her of her screw up. ( that way she can call 911 worst case still ). I did something similar with my kid once, took his music player. Then made him leave the data cable attached to the PC and laying there, to remind him daily of what was gone.

Getting 'dramatic' only works if its legit and not too common, else the kid knows it was just 'yet another rant to ignore'. Kids aren't stupid.

Quoted for Truth.

The sad part is that 'government' is complicit in this, and under the guise of 'protecting the children', is actively prosecuting parents who implement any sort of corporal punishment.

-Darryl

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: 'Until we are old enough, experienced enough in 'Life', and mature enough to understand respect...FEAR is all we understand...' . That is what I truly believe . And until children experience what fear of Authority is...they will never have respect for it. Fear is a natural, inborn controller, and respect is a HUMAN-created state of mind. And therefore, the 'spare the rod and spoil the child' adage is evidenced by the total lack of respect for 'Elders and Betters', which has all but evaporated in our soft and pampered Society. They don't understand what fear of authority IS, because 'We' are too darned soft on our kids. When I say 'fear', I DON'T mean trembling in one's shoes to the extent of wetting themselves . But when I was a kid, we respected the 'Village Bobby' because if we DIDN'T, we got a clip around the ear from HIM...and ANOTHER from Mum or Dad when we got home. We have 'hog-tied' ourselves as far as getting respect from children, because we are TOO soft on them. And I don't mean we need to be sadistic...just FIRM. And the respect WILL come back. Just take a look at the animal World. When a parent animal feels its young have gone TOO far, a gentle nip of the teeth, or a cuff with a paw soon brings the young in line Nick

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Nice Vette! lol.. Someone had to say it..

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: I think the Dad was 100% int he right. If she was MY daughter, she would be locked in her room til she was 35!!

At 18 she can leave ya know.

I agree the girl in the video looked so young , but with all the internet and easy access to eveything now a days kids are growing up too quick. I have a little sister so I guess thats the closest thing i have to a daughter for now.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Oh, and by the way...that was set up . How else would somebody be there, with a camera, ready to video the whole thing...and nobody involves, or speaks to, or even acknowledges the presence of that person OR the camera during the whole episode. But he was RIGHT, and the message is VERY clear Nick

No. The girl was legitimately scared.

I think the cameraman just saw the whole thing go down and got the camera out before they went outside.

EDIT: YES I agree he was okay, but more than that, it was necessary. I never respected my dad until he threw me into a wall after I charged him. I realized then that he was the bigger man, and he was in charge. That force had and has to be shown.

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quote Originally posted by theBDub: EDIT: YES I agree he was okay, but more than that, it was necessary. I never respected my dad until he threw me into a wall after I charged him. I realized then that he was the bigger man, and he was in charge. That force had and has to be shown.

I never did that to my father, I guess he commended respect long before I ever was a size to consider doing that. Heck, about 3 years ago, my father was 64, on a visit to us here in Utah my father told me something that wasn't true. He looked at me and said "Yup, you could take me now" to which I told him, "No I couldn't, because I couldn't hit back".

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quote Originally posted by Khw: I never did that to my father, I guess he commended respect long before I ever was a size to consider doing that. Heck, about 3 years ago, my father was 64, on a visit to us here in Utah my father told me something that wasn't true. He looked at me and said "Yup, you could take me now" to which I told him, "No I couldn't, because I couldn't hit back".

I was never a bad kid, so never really experienced my dad's anger. He commanded respect, but I had just never known him to be "tough". Looking back, I was a complete idiot. My dad is stacked lol.

I was a bad kid, got a ton of beatings growing up, i will never hit my kids no matter how bad they are

quote Originally posted by ShadowHawk: I was a bad kid, got a ton of beatings growing up, i will never hit my kids no matter how bad they are

You say that now... look back, were the beatings deserved? If you were a bad kid and got punished for it, and realize you were responsible for what happened - why wouldn't you want the same rationalization for your lineage?

It doesn't make sense

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: 'Until we are old enough, experienced enough in 'Life', and mature enough to understand respect...FEAR is all we understand...' . That is what I truly believe . And until children experience what fear of Authority is...they will never have respect for it. Fear is a natural, inborn controller, and respect is a HUMAN-created state of mind. And therefore, the 'spare the rod and spoil the child' adage is evidenced by the total lack of respect for 'Elders and Betters', which has all but evaporated in our soft and pampered Society. They don't understand what fear of authority IS, because 'We' are too darned soft on our kids. When I say 'fear', I DON'T mean trembling in one's shoes to the extent of wetting themselves . But when I was a kid, we respected the 'Village Bobby' because if we DIDN'T, we got a clip around the ear from HIM...and ANOTHER from Mum or Dad when we got home. We have 'hog-tied' ourselves as far as getting respect from children, because we are TOO soft on them. And I don't mean we need to be sadistic...just FIRM. And the respect WILL come back. Just take a look at the animal World. When a parent animal feels its young have gone TOO far, a gentle nip of the teeth, or a cuff with a paw soon brings the young in line Nick

Thats the environment I grew up with as a child, I had a pretty rough upbringing when it came to physical and even mental discipline. I mean I don't wish the treatment I got on any kid cause it kind of screwed me up in the head, but at least I think I came out alright when it comes to just being a decent and respectful person.

He was showboating for the camera and the neighborhood.

His discipline should have been corrective and stern, and in private without the humiliation of his daughter.

He should also look inward. His language gives insight into her actions.

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quote Originally posted by nitroheadz28: Thats the environment I grew up with as a child, I had a pretty rough upbringing when it came to physical and even mental discipline. I mean I don't wish the treatment I got on any kid cause it kind of screwed me up in the head, but at least I think I came out alright when it comes to just being a decent and respectful person.

exactly violence begets violence

how many kids did i fight in school just because I saw them as "weaker than my dad" or "he cant hurt me"

screwed my whole school life up

quote Originally posted by ShadowHawk: exactly violence begets violence how many kids did i fight in school just because I saw them as "weaker than my dad" or "he cant hurt me" screwed my whole school life up

Not necessarily, somehow I managed to avoid physical altercations throughout most of my life in one way or another. It wasn't by choice most of the time, I don't have a problem with it. The way it impacted me wasn't with violence, but depression and several other issues. I guess growing up as a kid when you're so scared of what happens after you do something stupid (even by accident) that you'd rather jump in front of a car and go to the hospital with broken bones/ run away than go home for fear of what will happen- well thats where you draw the line on discipline...

quote Originally posted by datacop: No. Having something simply taken away from you does not have the same impact as having it destroyed in front of you.. If it's taken away.. there's still a chance that you can get it back.. Smash it to a thousand little pieces before your very eyes.. it's gone forever.

Unless she is buying her own phones then the only thing he did was bust up something he will eventually (when his wife comes home and sees the video) have to replace. Sort of like protesting and burning down your own house.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: At 18 she can leave ya know.

Not if I have the key to the lock she can't!!

My gut reaction would be to smush the phone, but I probably wouldn't have gone outside and made such a big deal. Part of her is gonna want to get back at him. She'll be sitting on some kid's face and shoutin' Oh Yeah, Daddy? Think you can get away with bustin' my PHONE???"
Guy: Mffff?
Girl :"Shaddup!" *grabs his head and...*adult stuff*

The 'better' reaction would be to actually sit and have a conversation with her. (EASY TO SAY, very very hard to do...)

He had good aim
but
that won't really "learn' her.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Not if I have the key to the lock she can't!!

Does the name Josef Fritzl ring a bell?

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: He was showboating for the camera and the neighborhood. His discipline should have been corrective and stern, and in private without the humiliation of his daughter. He should also look inward. His language gives insight into her actions.

I think the public humiliation was warranted. That made a bigger impact on her than doing it in private. She will never forget it because it was public.

If I had ever done anything even remotely similar when I was a kid I would have gotten the belt. I have never hit my kids so the violence begets violent is not true.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.