Haven't pumped there for years. Same for Valero, but unfortunately I have to get gas somewhere, and who knows where it's all coming from. Certainly not the U.S. The money is going to someone bad somewhere.
Jim
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Xerces_Blackthorne Member
Posts: 6163 From: Mertztown PA Registered: Mar 2008
Citgo owned by Venezuela, Hugo Chavez has been providing IRAN with supplies to arm themselves with Nuclear weapons.
You're kidding, right?
So because Citgo is a Venezuelan company, and Venezuela happens to be run by Hugo Chavez, who happens to be a Communist, that makes Citgo a Communist company? And because they are a "Communist company", they apparently are supplying weapons to Iran for Nuclear war? How do you know they get all of their oil from Venezuela, and not, say, a little from here, a little from there, etc?
GTFO with the rhetoric Pretty broad statement, and quite the stretch...Your logic makes no sense.
Jimbo makes a great point, who the fark knows where the gas we buy comes from? But we still have to buy gas, so... Who farking cares?
And another note: The US gets a lot of its gasoline from Venezuela. Pilot Travel Center?? Yup, its Venezuelan gas. Let me guess, next you'll want us to boycott them as well
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Haven't pumped there for years. Same for Valero, but unfortunately I have to get gas somewhere, and who knows where it's all coming from. Certainly not the U.S. The money is going to someone bad somewhere.
Jim
Bingo.. no matter where you go, some of it ends up in the middle east eventually.
Christ on a cracker, its a damn figure of speech...
All I wanted to know was if you had facts to back up your broad statement. Read my last post again and pay attention. I've called it as I see it, clearly and concisely, using logic, yet I get no response back but some moronic picture about "Commies not being cool" and b*tching about not going to google and searching....
You posted the thread, you should provide the proof. I shouldn't have to go searching.
And where did I EVER say that Communism is a good thing?
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Christ on a cracker, its a damn figure of speech...
All I wanted to know was if you had facts to back up your broad statement. Read my last post again and pay attention. I've called it as I see it, clearly and concisely, using logic, yet I get no response back but some moronic picture about "Commies not being cool" and b*tching about not going to google and searching....
You posted the thread, you should provide the proof. I shouldn't have to go searching.
And where did I EVER say that Communism is a good thing?
Well, just try to avoid the "GTFO" part, the rest didn't bother me, though to tell the truth. Us non-religious Crackers are now a little offended.
Brad
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The link between CITGO and funding of the Hugo Chavez regime has been well established. It's old news. Venezuela used to be one of our South American friends and one of our staunchest allies in the region.
While CITGO staions are privately owned, and the profits go to the owners, they still pump money into Venezuela via franchise fees. Not all of the gas they pump is from Venezuela crude.
For myself, I haven't bought gas at a CITGO in years, neither do I buy beer or subs at the Subway at our local stations.
And personally, "Mohammed in molasses" is pretty funny, the "Christ on a cracker" remark is the same as taking the Lord's name in vain. Pretty offensive to many of us here.
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Haven't pumped there for years. Same for Valero, but unfortunately I have to get gas somewhere, and who knows where it's all coming from. Certainly not the U.S. The money is going to someone bad somewhere.
Jim
Actually Valero is an American owned company based out of San Antonio, Texas and thier refineries plants and offices based solely in North America (both the U.S.A. and Canada).
Actually Valero is an American owned company based out of San Antonio, Texas and thier refineries plants and offices based solely in North America (both the U.S.A. and Canada).
Shelby
Well, that is good to know. We have a couple of those around here.
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a lil something called common sense.... or courtesy
Jebus, I'm a heathen, unclean bastahd and I'm going to hell for it. So sue me.
Raydar, I don't see where that link shows anything about Citgo funding Communists and nuclear war in Iran All I see is that we (re: our idiot government) tried (and failed miserably) to regulate the business of another country and impose sanctions on them, when it wasn't our (again, re: idiot government) place to do in the first place.
Witchita, I don't have an issue with someone choosing to boycott something, but when ya start telling others to do something (or start telling me), I expect to see some sort of evidence backing up your claims as to why I should do said thing. Hence why I responded the way I did in my first post. I agree entirely, shop where you think is best for you.
The idea behind my posts has been that the OP made a very broad, generalized statement, with no evidence to back it up. Hugo Chavez does NOT own Citgo AFAIK, therefore, the profits made by you buying gas at a Citgo are not going to "fund nuclear war in Iran". Which is what I was trying to convey, as well as (again) get some facts from the OP.
But apparently its too much to ask...I really don't know why I bother anymore these days...
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Posts: 6607 From: Not too far from Mexico Registered: Nov 2004
Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne: Hugo Chavez does NOT own Citgo AFAIK,
That's not very far. Are you aware the all Venezuelan oil companies are nationalized? (apparently not) Do you know what nationalized means? (apparently not)
One of the USA's largest refiners, Citgo is a subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA). As such, it ultimately belongs to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez,... ... "The only difference between Citgo and other companies is that Citgo has only one shareholder," he said, referring to the Venezuelan president. ... PDVSA — the acronym is pronounced Ped-a-vay-sa — first acquired 50% of Citgo in 1986. Four years later, the Venezuelans bought the remaining half of the company from Southland, better known for its ownership of the 7-Eleven convenience stores. The company's six refineries, with a capacity of 1.1 million barrels of oil a day, are ideally suited for Venezuela's sulfurous, heavy crude oil.
Throughout the 1990s, Venezuelan oil officials allowed the company's American managers enormous autonomy. "Citgo was an American company. We happened to own it," said Giusti, who headed PDVSA until Chávez took over. "We managed it at arm's length."
That changed under Chávez. In October 2000, the new president tightened control over Citgo by naming as company president a former army general, Oswaldo Contreras. He was the first Venezuelan to hold the position.
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..Iraq oil should be flowing like the mighty Mississippi,,flooding,bursting USA oil refineries . lots a profit for the Iraq need a bath rag heads,,but a lower price to off set our loss of military life & treasure ship after Tanker ship ,, healing our wounds .
BUT NO!! we have to act Politically correct,,no possible stink of WAR for OIL.. throw in some Kuwait ,cheap billions of oil also If i was in charge ,,nations would fear to anger us nations would want our good will,,my military policies would bring great wealth,sure as always many would not like America ?? 20,000,000 Americans can not stand America now,hunt them down and extradite them to thier better place.
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Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne: If not, gtfo with the
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Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne: Your logic makes no sense.
Actually, yours does not. Though you were not using any. No wonder.
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Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne: And I wouldn't call it cranky just because I'm trying to use logic to get facts to back up a very broad and moronic generalization.
This is the second time you have come on here spouting and playing the logic card, . Some people. You suck at logic it seems. We do not buy gas from Venezuela or anyone else. We buy oil. Now Citgo does have refineries here in the US and we can buy that gas, but why should we ? The money does indeed fund Chavez and his communist ideals, and also his hatred of the United States. Which certainly includes anything anti American, especially Iran. Iran does not need Venezuelan oil as it has plenty of it's own. Despite it's many gas shortages (it does not have refinery capacity ... yet it is hell bent on funding nuclear power, ). You allude that Citgo is not a communist company. It is nationally, well government, owned. To be fair, so is Pemex, Mexico's government owned oil company. However, Pemex's revenue does not fund communist ideals, nor anti American agendas.
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Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne: Jimbo makes a great point, who the fark knows where the gas we buy comes from? But we still have to buy gas, so... Who farking cares?
Who cares ? My my my. It is not hard to figure out where the gas comes from. It is even easier to figure out where your money goes. Why send it to Hugo Oil ?
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Who cares ? My my my. It is not hard to figure out where the gas comes from. It is even easier to figure out where your money goes. Why send it to Hugo Oil ?
Not worth a formal response.. You seem to miss my logic pattern and the premise of my posts EVERY time, so screw it.
Actually Valero is an American owned company based out of San Antonio, Texas and thier refineries plants and offices based solely in North America (both the U.S.A. and Canada).
Shelby
Ahh, somewhere I had heard it was Venezuelan. Noted, thanks.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Keep in mind that the Citgo stores themselves are locally owned franchises. It's the fuel franchise that's owned by Uncle Hugo. Most gas stations are like that, only the parent company happens to be owned by a government instead of a corporation like Shell or Exxon.
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Posts: 438 From: Navarre, Florida, USA Registered: Nov 2010
Gas is fungible, which means every gallon that's produced is bought. Not pumping at CITGO is irrelevant, they'll still sell every gallon they make. Want to make a real difference? Stop buying gas. If a few percent of the regular purchasers of gas in this country were to reduce consumption using a variety of means such as carpooling, trip planning (combined errands, etc), and simply just drove less, the price of oil and therefor gas would drop like a stone. That drop is what makes companies take notice.
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