And I am nervous as hell!!!

But I am sure it will be GREAT! I am really looking forward to the opportunity.
I will be responsible for everything remotely related to IT, for an entire 360,000 square foot manufacturing facility!

NO PRESSURE!!!!!

nice! thats what i want to do when I am out of the service. Right now I only deal with cisco VOIP phones with only a 100 users :/

anyway, GOOD LUCK!!!! you'll do fine.

Thanks! I am really looking forward to it!

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Thanks! I am really looking forward to it!

It's a job. Congratulations.

Getting paid to do something you like is a huge benefit. Just ask those that work at jobs they don't like.

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Ron

Nothing to worry about - you'll do just fine.

Just keep reminding yourself that this is a new place, that you remember to 'shake off' any of the old job's crap which might affect your head region...

Ok.. Well that was a short employment term. I got onsite and absolutely NOTHING was as I was told.
The hours were a LOT more, the work required was a LOT more.. The boss was an ******* ...
I lasted 2 hours.

So I am on the job hunt again.

*sigh*

Am I a moron?
Probably.

*Gulp.
I start mine tomorrow.

I hope I fare better...

I m SURE you will Boonie!!!

You will do great!!! You are not an idiot like me

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: I m SURE you will Boonie!!! You will do great!!! You are not an idiot like me

Eh, I probibly just have a higher tolerence for bullshizz from a lifetime of being waist-deep in it.

Wait... what happened?

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Ok.. Well that was a short employment term. I got onsite and absolutely NOTHING was as I was told. The hours were a LOT more, the work required was a LOT more.. The boss was an ******* ... I lasted 2 hours. So I am on the job hunt again. *sigh* Am I a moron? Probably.

Dang!

Part of me wishes you stuck it out for at least a little while till you found something else...but I guess you could just tell things were NOT as they seemed.

No, you're not a moron.

But I know what you mean, during my last search,I've seen about 8 jobs that were EXACTLY like that - the actual job was completey different then what they described it would be...

Good luck w/ your continuing search.

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So you just walked off the job?

WOW! (Not passing any judgement on you at all. To each their own.) I just couldn't do that. Twenty five years in the military of hearing and living by, "Here's your straw. Suck it up and drive on.", I guess.

Now, I'm just waiting on the gov't hiring freeze to untangle and their slow hiring process. If the gov't offered me a GS-5 job right now starting immediately in BumF@ck Egypt, I'd take it. I'm about to go back to hotels or retail to be immediately employed right now.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Ok.. Well that was a short employment term. I got onsite and absolutely NOTHING was as I was told. The hours were a LOT more, the work required was a LOT more.. The boss was an ******* ... I lasted 2 hours. So I am on the job hunt again. *sigh* Am I a moron? Probably.

WOW! That blows beyond all possible comprehension. Them, not you. Sorry to hear it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Take cold comfort in the knowledge that that company probably WON'T be around for long. Interviewing and hiring practices are atrocious at that place if you show up as a new emplyee and find out nothing is what they told you.

Just curious, after the two hours, did you jump, or were you pushed?

Basically it goes like this....

The job advertised was, asking for Windows Scripting Experience.. HAve that in spade.. Cisco and VMware Experience.. Good there too.

Then I meet the boss. He gets all pissy because I do not know Assembler Language. I pointed out the job description asked for windows scripting and he said.. yea and what is the difference.. fi you can do one, you should do the other right??

Ummmm NO!!! I only know 3 people in all of my IT guys who know assembler...
So fine I can work around that...

Then I get into the previous techs notes... From this I learn I am expected to work 70-80 hours a week for my salary.... That then makes it LESS than I make now!!
Then as I dig deeper into the notes I find that the 21 Virtual machines are all basically hanging by a thread.. ready to explode.. Too many errors for him to even figure out.. Basically he half assed them until they worked and shoved the cover back on.

No biggie.. Gives me a project... Then I learn that 35 of the workstations are either not working or nearly not working... WOW I am gonna be busy!!

Then I was told I could NOT use my Macbook or my iPad on the premises... What??? Ok iPad I can kind of understand.. I mean they could restrict me from using it to get company email.. but for the rest of my job?

And if that was not enough.... I was also told I was not only responsible for all the IT, but to oversee all electrical work as well...

Ok that's it.. I quit!!

I politely told them it was not the right job for me, nor I right for the job and left.
Worst case scenario.. I can go back into business for myself. I have a couple clients that will help and I can bust my ass and find more if I have to. But I am hoping to just get my old job back until I find something else.

You don't need THAT kinda job.

"Then I meet the boss. He gets all pissy because I do not know Assembler Language. I pointed out the job description asked for windows scripting and he said.. yea and what is the difference.. fi you can do one, you should do the other right??"

You don't need a boss who is THAT ignorant.

Wish I knew how effed up that other place was when I first started...


Onward and Upward, my friend...

Yea I got a really bad vibe off the whole place after about 20 minutes.

I won't lie, I am utterly scared shiftless right now. I have next to no savings left due to decreased pay and increased bills.. Finally got the bills taken care of so I could survive on my decreased pay.. But currently I do not have that.

I am fairly certain I WILL get my job back.. But they will not tell me until tomorrow afternoon...
So until then.. here I sit.

But even with that, I am glad I made the decision I did. There will be other jobs.

Pretty bad HR practices there. Glad you're rid of them, hope you land on your feet. You seem to have things kind of under control.

As an aside, I spent about a year working a job that the boss finally figured out took two people.
"It seems you can't cover that guy's job, AND get all your regular work done. Which job do you want?"
I was pretty fragged by the time he figured that out.

Thanks,
I am sure I will pull one out of my arse. I usually do. I just hate that this time I have to drag my wife thru this with me.

Zeb, I can imagine you were pretty ragged. I have been there and done that. My last job, really did need two people.. But I always got done as much as I could, then put the rest off til the next day.

After reading the more detailed post, I can start to see and understand why you just walked out. I've worked for complete jackasses. I've worked loooong workweeks. I've been shoved into doing areas I really don't have expertise in. I've walked into messed up places that takes a long time to unscrew, but I guess I've never had a situation where it was all rolled up into one job.

I wish you the best in finding something better to your liking than your last job and this current one.

Thanks! I suspect my last boss I'll take me back in a day or two. That will at least give me an income while I look for something else!

Explains why you were thinking "Gouranga!" on the way home.

EDIT: And it's nice to have the self-confidence to say "Take this job, and shove it." I should've.

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Maybe... Maybe not!
Ask me again in a week!

I know I am good at what I do. And I know that I am in demand. I just have to find that demand in today's job market!

It occurs to me that the person who placed the ad is an idiot.
Would it be possible for you to speak with that person's higher up? (Well, I suppose not. Not now.)
Anyone who misrepresents a job that badly needs some sort of "retraining", at the minimum.

Good luck in your new quest.

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I got the impression it was the head hunter who did the wrong.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: And I am nervous as hell!!!

I didn't see this ending well. Really.
Sorry, but I think you did the right thing. Except counting your chickens before they were hatched.

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quote Originally posted by 8Ball: I got the impression it was the head hunter who did the wrong.

I forgot you found out about the job through the head hunter.
They had to have gotten their info from the employer, though.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Basically it goes like this.... The job advertised was, asking for Windows Scripting Experience.. HAve that in spade.. Cisco and VMware Experience.. Good there too. Then I meet the boss. He gets all pissy because I do not know Assembler Language. I pointed out the job description asked for windows scripting and he said.. yea and what is the difference.. fi you can do one, you should do the other right?? Ummmm NO!!! I only know 3 people in all of my IT guys who know assembler...

And only 1 is masochistic enough that they would want to still do it ( even i have given that nightmare up.. long long ago. tho i have to admit doing microcode on Dec machines was fun, when i was young )

Seriously tho, what are they doing with assembler? Unless you are doing something like working with OLD machine controllers ( that didn't do ladder logic ) its pretty much a dead art today. Even most embedded developers use high level languages these days.

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Yea Cliff, I do not like to take jobs I KNOW I will fail at.

Why do they need assembler? I assume it was to support some of the manufacturing equipment, cause nothing I saw would have used it.

The head hunter called me, all pissed off cause I made him look bad...
Let me tell you he got an earful!!

And frick'in deserved it. I hope he doesn't get paid. Not the first time I've seen headhunters send in totally wrong people. At least the "end user" gets a fifteen minute interview, though. Hell, FIVE minutes with that "boss" would've made everybody happier.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Let me tell you he got an earful!!

And what did he say?

The headhunter told me he would NOT be using my resume anymore... I said THANK YOU!!

I had an interview with the two people under the boss. They hardly questioned me at all.. and to be honest probably should not have been conducting the interview.

However, that said.. This is IT.. and generally HR has no friggin clue about IT. So the interview did not raise any alarms with me.

Next interview you go into.. Make sure YOU ask THEM as many questions as they ask you.

Us IT nerds are a breed of our own.. and every company has their own ideas about how IT should be run.. their own policies and procedures. You have to make sure that you're going to be comfortable working for the company just as much as they are going to have to be comfortable with you working for them.

Well it has been several days, so I thought an update was warranted.

My former boss thinks he strung me along for a week and then told me late Sunday night I could not have my job back.. Decided not to fill the position.. I wasn't really surprised. And I say he THINKS he strung me along, because he thinks I was not out job hunting during that week. He GAVE me permission to find another job on Sunday.. As if I needed his permission.

So in the mean time, I sent out a few resumes. The results?
I have been on 3 Interviews so far for Network Administrator, all of them seemed to go very well and I have already heard back on two. I also have two more interviews tomorrow and one scheduled for Friday. These are all with different companies.

I have 3 Consulting Firms courting me and have had phone interviews with each of them as well.

The one I am MOST interested in though, is a new distribution center being set up about an hour from here. IT is a 500,000 square foot warehouse with nothing in it yet. Meaning I would get to build it from the ground up.. Based loosely off of their 4 previous warehouses across the US. I would have complete control over the hardware going in and configuration and documentation of all setups for the software in use. They really seemed interested in me and even called me again from their airplane back to Chicago to make sure I was interested.

It really does make a person feel good to get so much positive feedback to their resume in such a down market. I have friends who are in the same field as me who cannot find a job to save their lives. I really hope one of these turns out to be the right job!

Good for you. I hear a lot more positive employment stories these days. Well, at least "I got an interview/job." stories. Working still sucks, but, hey, it beats the alternative!

The "distribution center" folks wouldn't be McMaster, would they? Just curious.

No it is a firm that supplies Coffee to various coffee houses.

As for work sucking.... I generally LIKE to work I am a bit of a work-a-holic and if I am not working I am going NUTS!!!

I have been telling myself I am on vacation... It helps a little.. But DAMN am I bored!!!

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Seriously tho, what are they doing with assembler? Unless you are doing something like working with OLD machine controllers ( that didn't do ladder logic ) its pretty much a dead art today. Even most embedded developers use high level languages these days.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Why do they need assembler? I assume it was to support some of the manufacturing equipment, cause nothing I saw would have used it.

The only possible justification these days would be for bit-level I/O, but most operating systems prohibit even that except through carefully controlled system calls.

A better explanation is management ignorance and "superstition." Many mid to upper level managers persist in the obsolete belief that assembly language is more efficient or otherwise somehow "better" than higher level languages. While that may have been true through the 1970s, when most operating systems were still written in assembly language, it was no longer valid by the late 1980s. High-level languages like FORTRAN and COBOL generally lacked low-level functionality, which usually had to be provided through simple interface functions written in assembly language. On the other hand, I have written operating system and device driver code in FORTRAN ... but only out of desperation.

By the middle 1980s, C compilers for complex instruction set CPUs began regularly emitting better object code than all but the best human programmers could produce in assembly language. At that time I was still using assembly language to invoke obscure machine instructions in functions where high efficiency was important (e.g. sorts and bit-blits), but I continued to benchmark them against the same functions written in standard C. By the early 1990s, the difference in speed and efficiency had dropped to less than 5% and I began to retire muchl of my assembly language code. By 1993, a large system that I had originally written in about 95% C code and 5% assembly code had been converted to 100% C. The vastly better maintainability of C code more than justified the remaining ~2% difference in code performance, not to mention the hardware speed increases available each year in accordance with Moore's Law. I've never looked back.

These days, algorithmic efficiency is far more important than the choice of assembly language vs. a high-level language.

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