Can anyone find me the law/citation/whatever for wisconsin that states it IS? he claims he has looked it up in the past (why?) but i obviously dont believe him. i already found this http://www.nhtsa.gov/people...s501/toc/wispeed.pdf "No person shall drive a motor vehicle at a speed so slow as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic." but i am not so sure that that will be sufficient proof for him. my belief that it IS illegal is based on common sense and having been told by adults (when i was little) that it is illegal...and why wouldnt it be? so it would be greatly appreciated if someone finds me better proof

Specific to Wisconsin...

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/...%20local%20roads.pdf

quote Minimum speed limits and slow moving vehicles Except on Interstate highways, there is no specific minimum speed on Wisconsin highways. However, the statutes prohibit driving a motor vehicle “at a speed so slow as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when necessary for safe operation or to comply with the law.“ [Section 346.59 Wis. Stats.] Vehicles which normally travel slower than 25 mph must display slow moving vehicle emblems. [Section 347.245 Wis. Stats.] In addition, the operator of a vehcile moving so slowly that it impedes traffic must yield the roadway to overtaking vehicles, if practicable, when the operator of an overtaking vehicle gives an audible warning. [Section 346.59(2) Wis. Stats.]

Denver has a great law about this. I forget the details. Utah is covered by 2: Slower Traffic Keep Right, and, Keep Right Except To Pass.
In the mountains, you may be speed-limited by a lack of power, but you better have your hazard flashers on.

How slow is too slow. Many interstates have minimum speeds posted like 70 max 50 min. On my road trips it seems that driving to posted speed limit may be too slow, as many drivers direguard the max speed limits anyway.

I dunno if it is illegal here or in Wisconsin, but it irritates the heck out of me when someone drives 5-10 mph under the speed limit on nice clear, dry days on wide open roads that you can see clear down to the next county, and I don't consider myself a "fast" driver either.

1/2 of 'em appear to be people my age or older who are hunched forward, deathgrip on the wheel, face right up near the windshield, probably sitting on a double set of Depends, and the other 1/2 are younger people who seem to be in some drug/alcohol induced stupor, just barely--but obviously quite happily motoring along--barely.

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: How slow is too slow. Many interstates have minimum speeds posted like 70 max 50 min. On my road trips it seems that driving to posted speed limit may be too slow, as many drivers direguard the max speed limits anyway.

Many interstates do have min/max posted ( but many do not.. might be on the books tho ) toll roads i have seen do, but "side roads" don't have a lower restriction around here ( if they did, no farmer could ever move his stuff around, or kid ride his bike )

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Many interstates do have min/max posted ( but many do not.. might be on the books tho ) toll roads i have seen do, but "side roads" don't have a lower restriction around here ( if they did, no farmer could ever move his stuff around, or kid ride his bike )

Farm equipment requires a reflective triangle on the back, because they are slow moving vehicles. And for the most part are bigger than most peoples cars. They are restricted as to where they can go. No interstates, highways.

But someone driving on a highway with a speed limit, upper and lower. Driving under the lower limit will be ticketed. On city rural street it is a hazard for some one to drive slower than most other traffic can cause an accident.

Driving to slowly can get you a ticket for reckless driving. Because of the above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckless_driving

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_driving

Steve


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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Farm equipment requires a reflective triangle on the back, because they are slow moving vehicles. And for the most part are bigger than most peoples cars. They are restricted as to where they can go. No interstates, highways. But someone driving on a highway with a speed limit, upper and lower. Driving under the lower limit will be ticketed. On city rural street it is a hazard for some one to drive slower than most other traffic can cause an accident. Driving to slowly can get you a ticket for reckless driving. Because of the above. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckless_driving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_driving Steve

Ill remember that next time i'm riding my bike at 5mph thru a rural street.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Ill remember that next time i'm riding my bike at 5mph thru a rural street.

Bicycles are not allowed on interstates, because they can not reach the required minimum speeds.

They are not allowed to drive recklessly as well. Try driving in frt of a cop on patrol at 5 MPH in the middle of the street. All vehicles have rules of the road.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Bicycles are not allowed on interstates, because they can not reach the required minimum speeds. They are not allowed to drive recklessly as well. Try driving in frt of a cop on patrol at 5 MPH in the middle of the street. All vehicles have rules of the road. Steve

I wasn't talking interstates.. Above i did agree there are lower limits on interstates, just not always posted.. Its the rural ( and related ) roads we disagree on was all. Also, per your example if someone is driving in the middle of the street at any speed, in any vehicle, you should get a ticket.

You don't live and drive where I do tho. Most roads here don't have a "right" lane, just 1 lane in either direction, with most slower drivers courteously pulling over onto the shoulder to let faster drivers pass (yeah--against the law some places but it's a time honored tradition here in Texas) and when I lived In San Angelo, you could see forever up ahead. A Texas state trooper once told me "We don't care one way or another about people speeding out here, but they better be wearing a seat belt", which tells me they understand speedlimits on wide open roads in good daylight weather are to be taken with a grain of salt. A car going 5mph under around here can quickly result in traffic stacking up 10 vehicles behind and that makes for a more dangerous situation as they try to pass the slower driver just to drive the speed limit. As stated, I don't drive fast--usually follow the speed limit, so it's not like I often get in a big hurry to go anywhere--I just don't like driving slower and having a long line of vehicles stacked up behind me, because somewhere in that stack is gona be some jerkwad that IS in a hurry and will try to pass the whole herd in one fell swoop. Not good.

It's improving, especially with all the road widening projects to enable a better hurricane evacuation, but we still have lots of state and county roads with just the single lane in each direction.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I wasn't talking interstates.. Above i did agree there are lower limits on interstates, just not always posted.. Its the rural ( and related ) roads we disagree on was all. Also, per your example if someone is driving in the middle of the street at any speed, in any vehicle, you should get a ticket.

To clarify my earlier post .

2 lane rural road. Each side traveling in opposite directions, no breakdown lanes. You ride your bicycle in the middle of the travel lane instead of along the side of the road. Not riding the yellow line, you are in the middle of a travel lane.
You are braking the law. Each vehicle has its own set of rules.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: Around here, ag equipment own the roads. tractors, combines, gangplows, batwing mowers, backhoes--doesn't matter how wide or how slow. I've never seen one pulled over for impeding traffic, even on I-10.

Same in my parts. ( tho not the main interstate, just all the state and county access roads ). Most of us here understand that the farmers have no choice, and that we are in THEIR way.. they are trying to make food for us to eat. They were here first too.

Driving slow in left lane could get you a ticket in Florida
State Senate OKs bill encouraging motorists to yield to passing cars.
http://jacksonville.com/new...t-you-ticket-florida

quote Florida motorists stuck behind another vehicle in the left-hand lane may soon be getting help from law enforcement and the Legislature. A bill that passed the Florida Senate last week would allow drivers to be ticketed if they are driving too slowly in the left lane, and another car is trying to pass them. The ticket would be $143, and put points on the offender's driver's license. And it would cost drivers even if they are driving the speed limit. It passed the Senate 37-1, with Sen. Evelyn Lynn, R-Ormond Beach, voting no. There is a similar bill pending in the House. Current Florida driving law requires slower drivers in the left lane of multi-lane roadways to move to the right, "except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted" — which is the case on most multilane roadways. The bills in the Legislature would require slower drivers to move over "if the driver knows, or reasonably should know, that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed." Some motorists were all for the idea on Friday, but law enforcement and traffic safety officials express reservations. Yulee resident Carl Lindberg wants the bill to become law. "There are so many people that totally disregard the cars behind them and continue to drive in the left lane," Lindberg said. "Often at the same speed as the car next to them." That causes drivers to become aggressive, increasing the chance for accidents, he said. Westside resident Tammy George sees slow drivers in the left lane every day and supports ticketing them. "It does slow the flow of traffic," George said, "especially when these people are also talking on their cellphones." Jacksonville resident Marlene Gray had a mixed opinion. "If someone is going less than the posted speed limit in a passing lane, they should be ticketed," Gray said. "But the left lane is not a freeway for speeders." The bill makes exceptions for such instances as preparing to make a left turn, driving the speed limit while not impeding the flow of traffic and traffic conditions that would make moving to the right dangerous. But the possibility still exists that speeders will be rewarded while safe drivers are punished, AAA Auto Club South spokeswoman Karen Morgan said. "We don't want a law that ends up penalizing someone for driving at the speed limit," she said. Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler also expressed reservations. "While I would support the concept, because many drivers become frustrated with slower-moving vehicles in the left lane and may resort to road rage to show their displeasure," Beseler said, "I don't know exactly how it would be enforced." A similar bill passed the Legislature in 2005 but was vetoed by Gov. Jeb Bush, who argued that it punished people who followed the speed limit. But Rep. Jeff Clemens, D-Lake Worth, who is sponsoring the bill in the Florida House, said the focus on writing traffic tickets misses the point. "The goal is to improve traffic flow on the roads," Clemens said, "by letting motorists know they need to get out of the left-hand lane when a car is trying to pass them. "We're not looking to write more tickets," he said. "The point is to educate people." Despite passing the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support, the bill has gone nowhere in the House. But Clemens expressed confidence that the House would eventually end up voting on the Senate bill. He said he hasn't addressed the bill with Gov. Rick Scott and doesn't know if the governor would support it. Times-Union calls to Scott's office weren't returned Friday. Still, Clemens was optimistic. "I think we have a good chance of getting it passed this year," he said.

45MPH on the freeway minimum, I checked because I had a full truck full of dirt then had a rain storm that made really heavy. I used my flashers. If your friend is not impeding traffic, he should be ok everywhere else but, never bring anything questionable with you, not all cops respect search laws.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Around here, ag equipment own the roads. tractors, combines, gangplows, batwing mowers, backhoes--doesn't matter how wide or how slow. I've never seen one pulled over for impeding traffic, even on I-10.

same here


and gregory, he doesnt drive slow, he just didnt believe it was illegal (he was driving real slow once, idr why, and i brought it up). common sense would say it is illegal...i mean, if everyone else is doing 10-15mph faster than you, that could cause some problems, whether you are goign the speed limit or they are

Hes dead wrong. its impeding traffic and also considered instigating road rage.

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: same here and gregory, he doesnt drive slow, he just didnt believe it was illegal (he was driving real slow once, idr why, and i brought it up). common sense would say it is illegal...i mean, if everyone else is doing 10-15mph faster than you, that could cause some problems, whether you are goign the speed limit or they are

Maybe you just wrote it wrong, but if he's going the speed limit and everyone else is doing 10-15mph over the limit, why would it be common sense that that would be illegal? I personally will very rarely drive over the posted limit, as I can't afford to have tickets as most the jobs I've had require a clean record.

quote Originally posted by iced_theater: Maybe you just wrote it wrong, but if he's going the speed limit and everyone else is doing 10-15mph over the limit, why would it be common sense that that would be illegal? I personally will very rarely drive over the posted limit, as I can't afford to have tickets as most the jobs I've had require a clean record.

having not been out of the state much, i can only speak for WI, but here, 10 over is pretty much the real speed people drive, even in town around the collages. if everyone (EVERYONE) else is "speeding" and you are not, YOU are being an obstacle and could cause an accident. simply driving 10mph over the limit is not inherently dangerous if everyone is doing it. when EVERYONE is speeding, it makes sense to take priority from speeders, to those making the road dangerous (ie, those who are impeding said "speeders")

But the person doing the speed limit would not be breaking any law, even with the "impeding traffic" part of that law. So if someone were to have a accident, they would have no leg to stand on when they tell the judge that they wrecked because they were driving over the limit and someone following the law wasn't.

Ive heard that local police say they will cite someone if they are more than 15 mph under the posted speed.

All states listed here: http://www.trafficviolation...s-traffic-points.htm

Wisconsin :

"Wisconsin $40 to $300 for first offense, fine double for second offense 3 points incurred Yes, sometimes required, but voluntarily taken can reduce points by 3 every five (5) years Incurring 12 or more points in one (1) year makes driver subject to suspension at discretion of authority Violations, suspensions, and revocations remain on record for five (5) years from date of conviction

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quote Originally posted by faaaaq: having not been out of the state much, i can only speak for WI, but here, 10 over is pretty much the real speed people drive, even in town around the collages. if everyone (EVERYONE) else is "speeding" and you are not, YOU are being an obstacle and could cause an accident. simply driving 10mph over the limit is not inherently dangerous if everyone is doing it. when EVERYONE is speeding, it makes sense to take priority from speeders, to those making the road dangerous (ie, those who are impeding said "speeders")

You know, I was going more on this but let me just say I can assure you that not EVERYONE is speeding.

I can guarantee you that in Ohio, your lucky to find 1 in 20 cars going the speed limit or less. Majority are well over 15 mph over posted limits.Unless there really bored, cops dont even glance at you for 10 over. The street in front of my house is 35 mph. Seldom do you see anyone going less than 50. Cops like it so well, they park a cruiser down the street from me in a driveway most of the day.

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Interstate and state highways around here run 70/55. Most drive 80 but if you're going under 55, you will get pulled over...

I've been on a transfer run for work between here and Memphis with the CB on and have heard LEOs and Troopers talking the truckers that were going two-wide to "get out of the way of traffic if you don't want me behind you."

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I can guarantee you that in Ohio, your lucky to find 1 in 20 cars going the speed limit or less.

/shrug, everywhere I've lived had semi's rolling down the freeways in the right hand lanes usually going around the speed limit or under. Plus last I looked 1 in 20 still isn't everyone.

I did say cars . Here trucks have a lower limit than cars on interstates, which also creates a huge problem.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I did say cars . Here trucks have a lower limit than cars on interstates, which also creates a huge problem.

Yes you did say cars, my apologies. However, I don't see how 1 in 20 cars going the speed limit is anymore a danger then the semi's.

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quote Originally posted by faaaaq: Can anyone find me the law/citation/whatever for wisconsin that states it IS? he claims he has looked it up in the past (why?) but i obviously dont believe him. i already found this http://www.nhtsa.gov/people...s501/toc/wispeed.pdf "No person shall drive a motor vehicle at a speed so slow as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic." but i am not so sure that that will be sufficient proof for him. my belief that it IS illegal is based on common sense and having been told by adults (when i was little) that it is illegal...and why wouldnt it be? so it would be greatly appreciated if someone finds me better proof

Yeah, my father-in-law drives 50 everywhere he goes. That includes major interstates, as well as school zones. He's gotten tickets for driving too fast in a residential zone, and he's gotten tickets for going to slow on an interstate. He's gotten a few of those... most of them are warnings though, but he has gotten 1 ticket for it as far as I know.

the real key to this issue is NOT a physical number of miles per hour, but more a large difference in speed compared to other vehicles.
everyone going slow, or everyone going fast is no biggie. its when many go slow or fast, and few do the opposite.

but, yes - the opening post - if you are doing 25 on a 4 lane boulevard, while everyone else is whipping at 45-50 - that IS impeding traffic, and can be pulled over - ESPECIALLY if they insist on using any lane other than the right lane. Tho, putting on the Hazard lights help in avoiding police intervetion, and, may even get a police car following with lights on for added safety.

just follow the simple rule: slow traffic keep right. and everyone will be A-OK

Texas has a real problem with folks who park themselves in the passing lane doing the same (relatively slower) speed as the person in the next lane over. It's like they "stick" to the other car and won't pass or slow down and get yield as required by law. This creates a rolling roadblock that can last for several miles. I've got over 1 million miles of driving/riding experience across multiple states and I've noticed, especially over the last year or two, that the problem is very prevalent with Texas drivers, or at least with drivers in vehicles with Texas plates. I like the Florida proposed law above, like it a lot. Traffic vigilantes probably don't, though.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Texas has a real problem with folks who park themselves in the passing lane doing the same (relatively slower) speed as the person in the next lane over. It's like they "stick" to the other car and won't pass or slow down and get yield as required by law. This creates a rolling roadblock that can last for several miles. I've got over 1 million miles of driving/riding experience across multiple states and I've noticed, especially over the last year or two, that the problem is very prevalent with Texas drivers, or at least with drivers in vehicles with Texas plates. I like the Florida proposed law above, like it a lot. Traffic vigilantes probably don't, though.

I hope it works... it's very strange here in Florida. As a matter of fact, I've learned to do most of my passing in the right lane.

It's the weirdest thing. In South Florida, everyone immediately gets over to the left lane as soon as they get on the highway, basically leaving the two right lanes usually wide open... so as I said, I do most of my passing there. Having grown up in the DC / Metro area, this was always ridiculously weird for me. You really only see this from Miami to Palm Beach, the rest of the state is pretty normal in their driving habits. I know Orlando still has bad traffic, but it's no more or less awkward than it is in other states.


The most common people you see "cruising" in the left lane, are islanders (Bahamas, Jamaica, Haiti), and old people. For the old people, I've asked around at the nursing home when my grandmother was alive, and they said the reason they would do it is because in the left lane, they can "more safely drive" the speed that they're comfortable with, without having to ever slow down. The point being that the people in front of them will likely be going much faster than them, so they can set the speed that THEY are more comfortable with, and therefore don't have to worry about ANYTHING... so for them, it's safer. Makes sense... but TOTALLY bad.

As for the islanders, it seems to be rather cultural. They're soooo calm and relaxed, and they don't have "slower traffic keep right" laws in their countries (since they don't typically have the same sized highways we do), so they don't know any better. I guess to the non-roadway savy person, it would make sense that more stuff goes on in the right lanes (entering and exiting traffic), so why wouldn't you want to just go in the left lane and "cruise"... heh.


The craziest drivers we have down here are the Canadians. Specifically, the ones from Quebec. I've never been there, but down here, you see a lot of their drivers just basically go wherever they want. It's hard to explain, but if there's 2/3rds of enough room for their car to fit in, they will just start moving over and they expect you to make room for them (signal or no signal). I remember seeing a guy coming out of a gas station on the opposite side of the road, and just casually cruised into a ton of on-comming traffic. The guy in the lane that he was trying to merge into had to slam on his brakes and change lanes. So... I guess the way it works there is that everyone pretty much does whatever they want, and everyone else sort of lets them in without hesitation. Sort of like a mutual free-for-all. I guess kind of like Manhattan driving, but without the attitude.

Of course, that is probably the WORST type of driving style to have here in Florida, because the Florida attitude is to FLOOR it when you see someone looking to merge into the lane you're in, and some people even slow down to prevent someone from pulling in behind them. Crazyness...

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yes - the left lane is a lazy way to "cruise". because there is noone ahead of you, because IT IS THE FAST LANE.

I myself will "back on to the nose" of someone doing this horsecrap. it is selfish behaviour. if they have someone in front of them, they will clear out.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: /\ yes - the left lane is a lazy way to "cruise". because there is noone ahead of you, because IT IS THE FAST LANE. I myself will "back on to the nose" of someone doing this horsecrap. it is selfish behaviour. if they have someone in front of them, they will clear out.

I've thought of doing that too... and I can't remember if I ever have in the past, but I'm always concerned that when you do that, the people behind the person will think it's you all-along, so then you'll get brake checked, etc... even when you haven't done anything...

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I've thought of doing that too... and I can't remember if I ever have in the past, but I'm always concerned that when you do that, the people behind the person will think it's you all-along, so then you'll get brake checked, etc... even when you haven't done anything...

yes - that does happen. But - if the left lane camper gets moved - it is worth it.

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: having not been out of the state much, i can only speak for WI, but here, 10 over is pretty much the real speed people drive, even in town around the collages. if everyone (EVERYONE) else is "speeding" and you are not, YOU are being an obstacle and could cause an accident. simply driving 10mph over the limit is not inherently dangerous if everyone is doing it. when EVERYONE is speeding, it makes sense to take priority from speeders, to those making the road dangerous (ie, those who are impeding said "speeders")

lol wut?

Are you guys talking about the , you must yield the left lane no matter how fast your going rule?
They passed that here in IL so the elites who never have to pay parking tickets could speed without law abiding saps getting in their way. Guess what? It didn't work.
Simple solution Faaq go out with your friend , in his car, find a cop and get in front of him and do 10 below the limit. See what happens.

What many people are forgetting is that driving is a social exercise, not a competition or race. It's about everyone cooperating so that everyone gets there alive without undue drama. Tailgaters, laneblockers, left lane bandits, traffic vigilantes, all they do is mess it up for everyone and cause traffic jams, accidents, injuries and fatalities. It is not a Nascar race where the only thing that matters is being the first across the finish line and to hades with everyone else.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: What many people are forgetting is that driving is a social exercise, not a competition or race. It's about everyone cooperating so that everyone gets there alive without undue drama. Tailgaters, laneblockers, left lane bandits, traffic vigilantes, all they do is mess it up for everyone and cause traffic jams, accidents, injuries and fatalities. It is not a Nascar race where the only thing that matters is being the first across the finish line and to hades with everyone else.

lol - cant let someone else get somewhere else before me!

yes, many people take traffic VERY personally........

but - Slow Traffic Keep Right is universal, and even applies to surface streets.