Did your hear what just happened in Great Britain? The lady who was in charge of their entire health department just died! She had a stomach ache and was scheduled for surgery. Unfortunately, based on their socialistic bureaucracy, she was delayed for surgery 4 TIMES Her doctors could not do anything due to the 'paperwork' involved. Hey lefties, do you still want socialism?
Cordially, Kevin
p.s. it appears Palin had it correct. Second, she could not go to America for the surgery because this would prove the inadequacy of her own government health system. Third, have you ever looked at the British people's teeth
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Margaret Hutchon, 72, spent months in hospital after suffering septic shock in the days following “clean-up” surgery on her bowel in June last year.
Follow-up surgery was scheduled then put off several times. Her husband, Jim, 71, was told in February by Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford, Essex, that it had been put off again. He said: “She was getting weaker.”
Mrs Hutchon, a former mayor of the town, finally had surgery on March 21 but died four days later.
Because it really pisses off the Jack Wagons that have no common sense, and need a computer to filter things for them, because they're too lazy to do it themselves.
Best Regards, JIM!
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I can't see if any thread is marked political as I don't filter any of the threads posted in any sections of the forum. I prefer not to bury my head in the ground and remain ignorant about what is going on. It was extremely obvious to me that this was a political thread by it's title alone. Anyone who is not able to distinguish this thread as being poltical is just being dimwitted or an ass.
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I can't see if any thread is marked political as I don't filter any of the threads posted in any sections of the forum. I prefer not to bury my head in the ground and remain ignorant about what is going on. It was extremely obvious to me that this was a political thread by it's title alone. Anyone who is not able to distinguish this thread as being poltical is just being dimwitted or an ass.
Your riposte was brilliant in its eloquence. You are (or should be) the NEW King of T/OT.
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avengador1 Member
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Originally posted by jimbolaya: Because it really pisses off the Jack Wagons that have no common sense, and need a computer to filter things for them, because they're too lazy to do it themselves. Best Regards, JIM!
Jim, I owe you a beer or six. Of course, not to offend your sensibilities, I am really admitting to owe you a beverage or six.
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cliffw Member
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I can't see if any thread is marked political as I don't filter any of the threads posted in any sections of the forum. I prefer not to bury my head in the ground and remain ignorant about what is going on. It was extremely obvious to me that this was a political thread by it's title alone. Anyone who is not able to distinguish this thread as being poltical is just being dimwitted or an ass.
Oh, I could tell it was political. My question was why it wasn't marked correctly. And, I made the comment without personally directed insults, without calling anyone an ass or dimwit, without calling anyone ignorant.
Do you guys even give a shite about Cliff's efforts to write the software to provide the option of filtering? He's a programmer by living, apparently a pretty good one based on what he's managed to do with the software running this forum. He took the time out of his day, free of charge because he doesn't run this forum for pay, to write code to provide filtering. Why did he do this? Because he wanted to make it available to us, his forum members. When you abuse and ignore that it's like your pissing and defecating on him and his efforts, disrespecting his work, disrespecting his house. You do it to bait, insult, attack, etc, which is all that you seem to be capable of. Is it hopeless to think you could do any better?
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Did your hear what just happened in Great Britain? The lady who was in charge of their entire health department just died! She had a stomach ache and was scheduled for surgery. Unfortunately, based on their socialistic bureaucracy, she was delayed for surgery 4 TIMES Her doctors could not do anything due to the 'paperwork' involved. Hey lefties, do you still want socialism?
Cordially, Kevin
p.s. it appears Palin had it correct. Second, she could not go to America for the surgery because this would prove the inadequacy of her own government health system. Third, have you ever looked at the British people's teeth
happens in our insurance based system all the time. insurance companies do all they can to NOT pay. this is nothing new. bean counters suck.
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You do it to bait, insult, attack, etc, which is all that you seem to be capable of. Is it hopeless to think you could do any better?
DING DING DING! The 'usual suspects' are probably the same people who pee on public toilet seats and throw used chewing gum on the sidewalks. They think being rude is somehow cool, 'cause they're rebels, and they ain't gonna change, dontcha know. But what ya gonna do? They OWN Pennock's T/OT. And apparently Cliff is OK with that. Its their forum. You should probably just leave it to them.
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DING DING DING! These are probably the same people who pee on public toilet seats and throw chewing gum on the sidewalks. They think being rude is somehow cool. But what ya gonna do? They OWN Pennock's T/OT. Its their forum. You should just leave it to them.
I actually think of them being more like people who cut in line at the store, tailgate to keep other drivers from making lane changes or entering the freeway, toss their garbage into their neighbor's yard, play loud music all night, etc. They may not be bad people at heart, but they surely behave badly in their actions, as though they could care less about being part of a larger civil society. What's sad is that they have a place to go that's all theirs, politics, but apparently that's not good enough, so they insist on spreading the poison and filth outside of that cesspit. I don't see their actions as being any different other than in scale from what the Westboro group does, really, interjecting their politics into places they're not wanted or welcome, in ways that are unsocial and uncivil.
------------------ Bring back civility and decorum!
It's possible to understand someone's point of view without accepting it. It's possible to disagree with someone without being rude and nasty about it. Sure it's hard, but nothing worth doing is ever easy, is it?
Oh, I could tell it was political. My question was why it wasn't marked correctly. And, I made the comment without personally directed insults, without calling anyone an ass or dimwit, without calling anyone ignorant.
Do you guys even give a shite about Cliff's efforts to write the software to provide the option of filtering? He's a programmer by living, apparently a pretty good one based on what he's managed to do with the software running this forum. He took the time out of his day, free of charge because he doesn't run this forum for pay, to write code to provide filtering. Why did he do this? Because he wanted to make it available to us, his forum members. When you abuse and ignore that it's like your pissing and defecating on him and his efforts, disrespecting his work, disrespecting his house. You do it to bait, insult, attack, etc, which is all that you seem to be capable of. Is it hopeless to think you could do any better?
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Gee I dunno, maybe Kevin just made a mistake. PS I hope for Cliff's sake you don't sneeze with your nose so far up his ass.
It's not a matter of "brown nosing" Cliff, it's just a respect issue. When you go to someone's house and they request you take off your shoes, don't you take them off? I take them off without even asking. I'm in THEIR house, so I must remain respectful. I'm not trying to suck up... I just don't want to overstep my boundaries in the slightest degree.
I don't really understand why some threads, like this one, aren't marked political. But I'll never be mad at a thread that changes INTO politics due to natural course of conversation. Also, I'm in the understanding that "politics" is a fairly subjective topic, and that the OP might have just been thinking "Ha! This is so ironic.. this is 'fun stuff'" or whatever, without really thinking about it.
Jazz and Neptune, understand that when you have political discussion on a regular basis, you rarely label it as a political discussion. It just turns into "talking", so sometimes it slips your mind that not everyone wants to see this kind of topic, or even that there ARE blocks on topics. Yes, this should have been marked political, but an attack isn't necessary. Just ignore it and move on, because this was more than likely just an accident.
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happens in our insurance based system all the time. insurance companies do all they can to NOT pay. this is nothing new. bean counters suck.
At least you can get the surgery and then settle with insurance. I mentioned donating a kidney, insurance for the recipient didn't even blink an eye. Everything was covered.... EVERYTHING. And the surgery was done when needed, no waiting. BTW, this was BCBS of MI.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: At least you can get the surgery and then settle with insurance. I mentioned donating a kidney, insurance for the recipient didn't even blink an eye. Everything was covered.... EVERYTHING. And the surgery was done when needed, no waiting. BTW, this was BCBS of MI.
that varies wildly which is another sucky aspect of the insurance based system
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I can't go into any threads that are even remotely political without reading this same crap from you over and over.
It wouldn't be a bad thing, but you purposly hijack every single thread with the same argument, and now you're trying to drag Neptune into this as well.
Seriously, I'm begging you...
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I've been trying to ignore it, but sometimes it gets the best of me.
And honestly, the last thing I want to do is fall for it each time (like I just did) by responding, and essentially making it worse and helping to perpetuate it. That's EXACTLY what he wants, though.
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kevin Member
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happens in our insurance based system all the time. insurance companies do all they can to NOT pay. this is nothing new. bean counters suck.
Pyrthian,
I have to remind you that your wide baseless accusatorial verbiage demonstrates your lack of knowledge. The insurance industry is not this big 'boogie man' that is focused on killing people then pocketing a profit for the premiums. However, you give a life and death decision to the big government bureaucratic machine, and you will see the US government destroyed on the same way it was nearly destroyed when the government instituted prohibition. The intentions were good, but look at the destruction!
Cordially, Kevin
p.s. Just so you know, I have knowledge of where I speak; I have an Insurance license
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BTW, you have to wait something like 6 months to get on Disability coverage. My brother's insurance was going to run out and with terminal cancer, he would have had to wait the 6 months before disability kicked in. Of course, my brother would have paid for the insurance coverage, but the talk about a hypocrite... the US government makes people wait for coverage on disability insurance. BTW, he died before he had to go through with this, but his insurance paid for over $100K of surgeries to give him a few more months. No complaints here about their coverage, but as for US taxpayer health care coverage, that is a joke.... they wait, hoping you will die before they spend a dime on you.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I've been trying to ignore it, but sometimes it gets the best of me.
And honestly, the last thing I want to do is fall for it each time (like I just did) by responding, and essentially making it worse and helping to perpetuate it. That's EXACTLY what he wants, though.
Actually, what I want is for you to keep politics out of non-political threads. A bonus would be civil behavior, but the politics thing I'd settle for.
Just wanted to point out the irony that here your complaints about me exactly reflect my complaints about the folks who continue interjecting politics into non-political threads and who deliberately post political threads mismarked non-political.
"I can't go into threads that aren't even remotely political, such as the Great Lakes thread, without reading the same crap from the same political masturbators over and over. It wouldn't be a bad thing, but they purposely hijack every single thread (exaggeration on your part, BTW) with the same tired old political memes. (BTW, I'm not trying to drag Neptune into this, that's just another fabrication on your part.)
Seriously, I'm begging you, keep politics out of non-political threads..."
I couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for the words!
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cliffw Member
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I've been trying to ignore it ...
Ignore it ? Where is the fun in that ? Man it feels so good to push the buttons on his sleeve. I can't wait for him to post again. Hell, we all should mark every thread as political. Just in case, and as a hope, that the Jizzman doesn't pollute it. But he will.
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Originally posted by JazzMan: "I can't go into threads that aren't even remotely political, such as the Great Lakes thread, without reading the same crap from the same political masturbators over and over.
Umm, you were not invited, . We don't care if you do, we don't care if you don't.
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I have to remind you that you wide baseless accusatorial verbiage demonstrates your lack of knowledge. The insurance industry is not this big 'boogie man' that is focused on killing people then pocketing a profit for the premiums. However, you give a life and death decision to the government and you will see the US government destroyed on the same way it was nearly destroyed when the government instituted prohibition. The intentions were good, but look at the destruction!
Cordially, Kevin
p.s. Just so you know, I have knowledge of where I speak; I have an Insurance license
It is by no means a baseless accusation. anyone who actually gives a crap can do a simple google search and find endless examples of insurance companies doing all they can to deny needed treatment in hopes the patient will die first.
and, the topic title shows how misinformed you are, while your "ps" potentially describes monetary bias. which basicly means: you are the LAST person anyone should be listening too on this topic.
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The insurance industry is not this big 'boogie man' that is focused on killing people then pocketing a profit for the premiums.
Every business's number one goal is to maximize profits. And they have a plan & guidelines to accomplish that. But make no mistake, they are in it to take in as much money as they can while expending as little money as possable.
All upfront and made known, there's no crime in that. It's what's hidden that should be a crime. The fineprint and the jargon designed to create loopholes that favor the insurence companies bottomline above the clients health.
It seems alot like Vegas; The house ALWAYS wins. Or they wouldn't be in business.
I don't claim them 100% the bad guys all the time, it's just that the nature of the business they are in can seem ruthless sometimes. The mix of money with life & death in the ballance don't make for a good feeling.
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and, the topic title shows how misinformed you are, while your "ps" potentially describes monetary bias. which basicly means: you are the LAST person anyone should be listening too on this topic.
if you applied that logic generally, you should not allow doctors to participate in these conversations either. Teachers should not be allowed to discuss education?
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Actually, what I want is for you to keep politics out of non-political threads. A bonus would be civil behavior, but the politics thing I'd settle for.
Just wanted to point out the irony that here your complaints about me exactly reflect my complaints about the folks who continue interjecting politics into non-political threads and who deliberately post political threads mismarked non-political.
"I can't go into threads that aren't even remotely political, such as the Great Lakes thread, without reading the same crap from the same political masturbators over and over. It wouldn't be a bad thing, but they purposely hijack every single thread (exaggeration on your part, BTW) with the same tired old political memes. (BTW, I'm not trying to drag Neptune into this, that's just another fabrication on your part.)
Seriously, I'm begging you, keep politics out of non-political threads..."
I couldn't have said it better myself, thanks for the words!
A) You still haven't grasped the concept that pretty much all topics are political in nature. Our lives are political in nature.
B) You still haven't grasped the concept that YOU AREN'T A MODERATOR. And, an HUGE majority of the forum members that post in T/OT don't give a rat's ass or a squirrel's nuts about your crusade.
C) And all of this "mis-marking" of threads will continue until: a) Cliff posts that he wants this all cleaned up and that he won't tolerate any more of these mis-markings or b) you stop your little crusade
D) You still haven't grasped that T/OT was a much quieter place AND ACTUALLY MORE CIVIL BEFORE you started your crusade. I ,and probably everyone else, take no issue with your input into a thread on it's topic. A majority do take issue with your personal crusade.
So, you could go to Cliff and ask him to step in and resolve this matter you and a very tiny minority deem important. Or, you can continue your little game and crusade and continued to be mocked. Or, you could get off your little crusade and post your arguments and your side to the issues of the topic at hand. Or, you can go in and edit all your posts with a ".", take your toys and go home.
GEEZ, I HAD PRIVATES AND SPECIALISTS THAT WHINED LESS THAN YOU DO ABOUT THE DUMBEST THINGS!
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Originally posted by Scottzilla79: if you applied that logic generally, you should not allow doctors to participate in these conversations either. Teachers should not be allowed to discuss education?
if they thought Obamacare - which doesnt actually exist - was being used in Britain.....
they can particiapte all they like - I just wouldn't expect much useful info from them
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Originally posted by aceman: A) You still haven't grasped the concept that pretty much all topics are political in nature. Our lives are political in nature.
B) You still haven't grasped the concept that YOU AREN'T A MODERATOR. And, an HUGE majority of the forum members that post in T/OT don't give a rat's ass or a squirrel's nuts about your crusade.
C) And all of this "mis-marking" of threads will continue until: a) Cliff posts that he wants this all cleaned up and that he won't tolerate any more of these mis-markings or b) you stop your little crusade
D) You still haven't grasped that T/OT was a much quieter place AND ACTUALLY MORE CIVIL BEFORE you started your crusade. I ,and probably everyone else, take no issue with your input into a thread on it's topic. A majority do take issue with your personal crusade.
So, you could go to Cliff and ask him to step in and resolve this matter you and a very tiny minority deem important. Or, you can continue your little game and crusade and continued to be mocked. Or, you could get off your little crusade and post your arguments and your side to the issues of the topic at hand. Or, you can go in and edit all your posts with a ".", take your toys and go home.
GEEZ, I HAD PRIVATES AND SPECIALISTS THAT WHINED LESS THAN YOU DO ABOUT THE DUMBEST THINGS!
so, does this mean you are a moderator?
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kevin Member
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It is by no means a baseless accusation. anyone who actually gives a crap can do a simple google search and find endless examples of insurance companies doing all they can to deny needed treatment in hopes the patient will die first.
and, the topic title shows how misinformed you are, while your "ps" potentially describes monetary bias. which basicly means: you are the LAST person anyone should be listening too on this topic.
Pyrthian,
Your "argument" ( I will call it that, not for the fact that it is an argument, rather it an obvious simple minded statement) suggests that an insurance company MUST be nefarious and uncaring based on an internet sight showing people who were dissatisfied with their coverage. If you knew, and obviously you don't (by reading your memo), many people who purchased insurance DO NOT know the coverage they think they have. Only when they get in trouble, do they rely on 'somebody' to help them. Then they start complaining and hiring lawyers who try and paint a horrible picture of the industry as a whole. This makes news and people like yourself only responds to the news report and not the underlining facts. This is a HIGHLY regulated industry. Insurance companies only make about 4% profit--not a lot. You can look up this last bit of trivia.
Cordially, Kevin
p.s. I also worked in a trial lawyers office, so again, I know from where I speak..... You????
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Originally posted by Pyrthian: if they thought Obamacare - which doesnt actually exist - was being used in Britain.....
While I'd agree with you that Obamacare differs from the British national health service, I would disagree with you that it doesn't exist anymore than Reaganomics doesn't exist. Yes, Obamacare was used as shorthand for socialized medicine. Surely you understood that.
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Originally posted by Pyrthian: they can particiapte all they like - I just wouldn't expect much useful info from them
Well that doesn't sound very open minded or democratic. I think all people's opinions and expertise should be welcomed and valued.
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Originally posted by Scottzilla79: While I'd agree with you that Obamacare differs from the British national health service, I would disagree with you that it doesn't exist anymore than Reaganomics doesn't exist. Yes, Obamacare was used as shorthand for socialized medicine. Surely you understood that.
Well that doesn't sound very open minded or democratic. I think all people's opinions and expertise should be welcomed and valued.
lol - exactly so, how you pay for your health care? you pay for a private insurance, or do you get taxpayer paid health care?
Her doctors could not do anything due to the 'paperwork' involved. Hey lefties, do you still want socialism?
