quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I like it when libs always make fun of Beck or Limbaugh....always only quoting the part that fits for them. At least both of them quote libs clips...then actually play the whole thing thats pertainent. If Obama said he always listened to either of them, all the libs would also listen and tell you how great they are. I actually thought this might be on Sheen (whos been quiet for a week) His one man tour may draw an audience like people watching a plane crash. But as any kind of 'show', I predict an EPIC FAIL....but then his T shirt sales are WINNNNNING. Lohan goes back next tuesday to find out if shes going to try to get a jury trial in her jewelry theft, or go to jail. She needs a year in jail to 'rehab'. Her lawyers managed to drag this whole thing out for months.

Sorry, I picked the wrong drug-addict.

quote Originally posted by carnut122: OK, so is he still addicted to drugs or not? I guess I should have called him an ex-drug addict?

Actually, you're spot on. There's no such thing as an "ex" drug addict and anyone who's ever been addicted to drugs will tell you that.....just like there's no such thing as an "ex" alcoholic. "Recovering" addict? Certainly. "Ex" addict? No way. An addict is only as "cured" as his ability to abstain allows.

Limbaugh was seriously addicted to pharmaceuticals and is reportedly no longer abusing them. He's a "recovering" addict...

Theres also a percieved WAY you take drugs. If your addicted to prescribed meds that really are meant for your physical problem, thats a different addict than someone like Sheen who takes it to get high. Injured soldiers get addicted to medications like morphine and I would never call them an addict like I would Sheen.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Theres also a percieved WAY you take drugs. If your addicted to prescribed meds that really are meant for your physical problem, thats a different addict than someone like Sheen who takes it to get high. Injured soldiers get addicted to medications like morphine and I would never call them an addict like I would Sheen.

Respectfully, one's body doesn't make such judgmental distinctions. Physiologically, the reasons related to how or why one became addicted are irrelevant. From a purely recovery-centered standpoint, addiction is addiction.

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quote Originally posted by carnut122: It shows a bias towards a person with a (past/current?) drug addiction conducting a monologue in a humorous manner attacking another commentator who is actually in Japan reporting on a very serious issue and commenting on a different culture and how they're reacting about what has befallen them. You are correct that I may have taken it all out of context, but that clip is enough to ensure that I'll never give the guy enough of my time to ever listen to a "full version." As for Rush, I don't have much use for ones sided comment from (ex?)drug addicts making light of a deadly serious situation.

Have you ever listened to his show, even for a few minutes? Or is this another kneejerk assessment based on a thirty second soundbite?

quote OK, so is he still addicted to drugs or not? I guess I should have called him an ex-drug addict?

I don't know. How is it relevant in this particular instance?

Sorry, but I still stand on what I said. My mom was dying from cancer and was taking raw liquid morphine by the bottle. They even had police escort me to my car when I picked it up for her from the hospital. Theres no way Id have ever called her an addict.

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: I don't know. How is it relevant in this particular instance?

Because it devalues the topic person.

You know, I had no idea Limbaugh took a swipe at Jerry Garcia after he died in 1995. (From diabetes, not drugs for the misinformed) Here it is along with some other classy statements from before he got busted.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1159

quote Limbaugh on Drugs People like Limbaugh should go to jail, says Limbaugh There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods, which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up. What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too. ...We are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country.... This country certainly appears to be tolerant, forgive and forget. I mean, you know as well as I do, you go out and commit the worst murder in the world and you just say you're sorry, people go, "Oh, OK. A little contrition."... People say, "I feel better. He said he's sorry for it." We're becoming too tolerant, folks. --Rush Limbaugh TV show (10/5/95) These tough sentencing laws were instituted for a reason. The American people, including liberals, demanded them. Don't you remember the crack cocaine epidemic? Crack babies and out-of-control murder rates? Liberal judges giving the bad guys slaps on the wrist? Finally we got tough, and the crime rate has been falling ever since, so what's wrong? --RushLimbaugh.com (8/18/03) In the audio link below, I go into detail about these non-thinking talking points that "you can't tell people what to do with their bodies" and "you can't legislate morality." First of all, we tell people what they can do to their bodies all the time--no cocaine, no prostitution, no throwing yourself off a building. Second, laws are nothing but defining morality! --RushLimbaugh.com (6/27/03) All right. Joe Fernandez came to New York from Miami, ladies and gentlemen, to be schools chancellor.... Now he is embattled--he's got a book that just came out, an autobiography that's soon to come out, I think, in which he admits that he was a mainliner as a teen-ager. This guy [pretends to stick needle in arm]--pfsst--shot up heroin. And people are praising him. He overcame the scourge. He triumphed over that profound obstacle in his life and has gone on to become this great schools chancellor.... [Plays a clip of Fernandez saying that the message of his teenage drug use is "to not give up on our kids."] Reach out and try to help them, not give up on the kids, give them condoms and teach them about a bunch of stuff that is worthless in terms of preparing them for their future as adults in the greatest country on Earth, teaching them all this social gobbledygook. "Let's not forget about the kids."... Whoa. The guy wants to be education secretary, folks. Watch out. Now why does he want to go to Washington? Probably because he's studied the case of Marion Barry. Here's a guy who got involved in drugs. You want to see my Marion Barry impersonation? Do you want to see that? All right. I'll do the Marion Barry impersonation. You put some stuff out here on the table and you go [pretends to snort cocaine]. "You tell Jesse to stay out of my town. This is my town, and Jesse--you tell him to stay out. [More snorting.] And I said no, no, no, no, I don't smoke it no more. Tired of ending up on the floor." [More snorting.] So what is he? He gets involved in drugs and ends up, ladies and gentlemen, as a newly elected official in Washington, D.C.... So I'm sure Joe Fernandez is looking down there saying, "Hey, there's a future for, you know, drug users in Washington, D.C." --Rush Limbaugh TV show (12/8/92) When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks. --Rush Limbaugh radio show (quoted in the L.A. Times, 8/20/95) I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."... What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it….And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility. It's up to the people who are doing it. And Colangelo is right. --Rush Limbaugh TV show (9/23/93) I have a solution for Mrs. [Jocelyn] Elders. I mean, if she wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich and let's be rid of them. Now...The problem with legalizing drugs is, it's just another abhorrent example of human behavior that we've suddenly decided, "Hey, we can't handle it. We've given up and we're going to sanction the destruction of lives. We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy, and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs--we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."... I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish. --Rush Limbaugh TV show (12/9/93)

Of course, with statements like "People say, "I feel better. He said he's sorry for it." We're becoming too tolerant, folks."...
Why should I be tolerant of his transgressions with the law? Of course, if had not made such stupid statements, I would find it a lot easier to be tolerant of his prescription abuse myself... but he set himself up for it with his own dumb remarks. Its his problem, he's nothing but a hypocrite drug abuser to me.

quote Originally posted by Khw: Because it devalues the topic person.

True. But poisoned well fallacies also damage the credibility of the person making an argument.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: You know, I had no idea Limbaugh took a swipe at Jerry Garcia after he died in 1995. (From diabetes, not drugs for the misinformed) Here it is along with some other classy statements from before he got busted.

Again with the clips. His shows run 3 hours.

I also think it is funny that you are calling him a drug addict when in fact I bet you have never heard him talk about it (I have). But instead you rely on liberal media for your source of information. Of course they want to paint him in a bad light, just as they have done with anyone else who doesn't agree with Rush (or any other conservative).

Oh well, keep pulling the clips, they are entertaining, as it shows the extent the liberals will go to try make Rush look bad.

As for his drug use, they were prescriptions. Addiction from a prescription is very popular. Now, if you have proof of cocaine or meth use, then you have something interesting.

There was a wacko on his show the other day telling Rush that he said "Carter was a wimp". Rush pulled up the transcript and proved he didn't say it, but the guy didn't want to acknowledge that Rush was quoting someone else. I thought it was pretty funny how the caller was in denial and wouldn't even accept the truth.
I still believe you should listen to him for a few months.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: As for his drug use, they were prescriptions. Addiction from a prescription is very popular.

Not for me... even if it is "popular" That does not make it any more right or wrong than someone who abuses any other drug illegally, does it? Rush used them after his pain was gone to get high.. and as a result of his actions and many others who have abused pharmies, it makes it harder for people who need those prescriptions for actual pain to get the medicine they need. My mother died, but until she did she was in chronic pain, and the doctors still would not giver her percs or oxys because of the risk of addiction and abuse. That did not matter, because she died. But, she sure could have used them, and marijuana too, because she experienced physical pain I have never witnessed in another human being ever, save one who had a ladel of molten steel poured on him. Instead they gave her morphine which made her vomit and hallucinate. One of the nurses even called her one of her doctors a "monster" for denying her the medications she needed based on the addictiveness and behavior of others.

Still, no disrespect to those who have a problem with pills after they are no longer necessary to manage pain.. I wish you all the best in breaking that habit.

quote I still believe you should listen to him for a few months.

And risk the subliminal brainwashing? j/k, j/k

Still, his insult of Garcia is the last straw for me. Jerry is one of the kindest humans ever to grace this planet. We could all learn a thing or two from him, maybe you should spend a few months listening to a 3 hour dead show every day? Let me know if you want to, I'll hook you up.

Anyhow, Jerry died from diabetes complications, and the only thing Rush wanted to talk about the day he died was his past drug abuse and the "misplaced" adoration of his fans. Fast forward a few years, and ol Rushy is abusing prescriptions and has adoring fans who also ignore HIS shortcomings conveniently... Nah, sorry, I sometimes find his statements mildly amusing, but almost always mean spirited and crass. Jerry would have NEVER said anything so nasty about him. Rush should observe the golden rule, and I would respect him more. I just don't have the time to try and sort him out. Especially over the course of months.. I listen to the verbal ramblings of noone with that kind of devotion, except my wife. That's kinda part of the deal.

And so you know, I had a friend in the 90s who was a Rush fanatic. I listened to several shows back then, can't see why I would be any more impressed with him now. But yeah, he just LOVED Rush Limbaugh, I didn't understand it then and I don't now. Sorry.

Now, that being said, I still respect your opinion and value many of the things you say, but your defense of the man is because you are a fan and politically bent the same way.. that doesn't make what he says any more acceptable to me.

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quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Respectfully, one's body doesn't make such judgmental distinctions. Physiologically, the reasons related to how or why one became addicted are irrelevant. From a purely recovery-centered standpoint, addiction is addiction.

You are correct, but I respectfully decline to expound further with respect to Roger and all those who who know someone or they themselves that require repetitively large amounts of a highly addictive substance to manage extreme pain.
Although they may very well be addicted, I, as would anyone else, find it very simplistic to call them addicts.
Soldiers and termenal patience alike.

Drug abuse & drug addiction are two separate but very connected issues.

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And they said one to another, "Behold, for here comes the dreamer. Come now, let us slay him and we shall see what then will become of his dreams." ~ Genesis 37: 19-20

Sorry to hear about your mother, but she should have found a different doctor. I know of a person that was given oxy for pain. It all depends on your doctor and that is why it is easy to get addicted because some docs treat pain killers like candy. Most people trust their doctor and will take their prescription. I also know of someone that said he has to turn down pain meds because he knows he will get addicted and the doc will provide the prescription.

I am only defending Rush because I have actually listened to him. Clips are taken out of context.

As for Garcia.... It sounds like he was a drug addict that took it too far. Diabetes is bad, but add in long term use of illegal drugs, well... bad things happen. Now, I didn't follow Garcia, as I am not a fan, so....

here is what Wiki says...
On August 9, 1995, at 4:23 AM, Garcia's body was discovered in his room at the rehabilitation clinic.[4][56] The cause of death was a heart attack.[57] It is a Deadhead belief that he was found holding an apple on his chest and a smile on his face.[citation needed] Garcia had long struggled with drug addiction,[4] weight problems, and sleep apnea,[4] all of which contributed to his physical decline. Phil Lesh remarked in his autobiography that, upon hearing of Garcia's death, "I was struck numb; I had lost my oldest surviving friend, my brother."[17]

From People mag....
Last week, in the early morning hours of Wed., Aug. 9, Garcia's heart, 53 years old and ravaged by years of drug abuse and related health problems, gave out on him. The guitarist's comatose body was found before dawn during a routine bed check by a counselor at the Serenity Knolls drug treatment center in the San Francisco Bay Area town of Forest Knolls, where Garcia had checked in after an apparent relapse into a heroin addiction that had plagued him for years. Garcia was pronounced dead at 4:23 a.m. after a staff nurse and a Marin County paramedic each failed to revive him with CPR. "It was clearly a heart attack," says longtime Grateful Dead spokesman Dennis McNally, an opinion supported by the Marin County coroner's preliminary finding that the death "appears to be from natural causes."

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: she should have found a different doctor.

Pretty easy to say now, isn't it? We put a lot of faith into her doctors, and her suffering and health decline got bad enough that we did have her doctors changed. Not that it made a difference by then. She was also prescribed a blood thinner she was allergic to by the same doctor. We wanted to sue, and attorneys were ready for the case and saw dollar signs... but my Dad told us it was against his wishes.. and well, I follow the ten commandments, so I honored his wishes. Believe me, I wanted him (the doctor) to suffer.

That People magazine article has long been known to "us" as a trashing of his life after it was lived. Since you dont know, Jerry had made a full recovery into a healthy lifestyle in the late 80s, and he looked GOOD. But, sadly, his diabetes had become a regular part of his life which eventually caused him to spin out fo control. Was he an addict? Yes, at times. He had 3 major battles with opiates in his life, all of them following major personal tragedies. His heart was weak and could not take the strain of kicking the habit. Still, it was not the drugs that caused it, but the lack of them and DTs. His last words? "What did Netscape open at?" He had money in it and died the day it went public. Never heard the apple thing.

Still, thats not the point. The point is, what right does Limbaugh have to criticise the drug abuse of others, when he himself was a prescription abuser? None.

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quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: I don't know. How is it relevant in this particular instance?

No, I've never listened to his show. Obviously, I'm missing something. Yes, a knee-jerk reaction. Doesn't he represent the Republican Party ( the one aligned with the Moral Majority)?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: You are correct, but I respectfully decline to expound further with respect to Roger and all those who who know someone or they themselves that require repetitively large amounts of a highly addictive substance to manage extreme pain. Although they may very well be addicted, I, as would anyone else, find it very simplistic to call them addicts. Soldiers and termenal patience alike. Drug abuse & drug addiction are two separate but very connected issues.

I take Loritab for severe arthritis in my neck. 5 of my vertibrae, top of C3 to the bottom of C7, had the left lamina completely removed and most of the right so they could pull the bones apart enough to get to my spinal cord. Here it is now, almost 30 years later and I deal with alot of pain from it. I'm told that in my 50's the bones in my neck will have to be fused together. I'm also experiencing loss of sensation and numbness in my right arm. Such is life, atleast I'm alive and still walking.

During the late fall to spring months when it is wet and cold my arthritis pain gets really bad. Every Summer when it starts getting warm and dry my arthritis becomes manageable with Tylenol and Volterin (a antiinfammatory similair to Motrin). When that time of the year comes I go through a detox for a week or so and I don't really take that much Loritab, unless you consider 30 pills a month alot. My Doctor and I are both concerned with addiction, I don't want to become addicted nor does he want me to. Thankfully he doesn't think I'm going to become addicted because I use my medication appropriately and sparingly.

Still, I can see how someone could get addicted to it. Me, I'm used to it's effects now from taking it during the Winter months for so many years but it would literally knock me on my butt when I first started taking it. It was so bad I'd only take half the pill to avoid it. Some people like that feeling I guess.

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: Still, thats not the point. The point is, what right does Limbaugh have to criticise the drug abuse of others, when he himself was a prescription abuser? None.

Well, my point is that you have recreational drugs vs prescription drugs. You trust a doctor to give you the correct medicine and monitor your use. If you get addicted to prescription drugs, it is because of the doctor. If you get hooked on recreational drugs, it is "your" fault. No one forced the user of a rec. drug to take it. But for a prescription drug, you are relying on the expertise of a doctor. Plus rec. drug users are not in pain, they may be mentally screwed up, but they are not seeking drug use to help with physical pain.

Anyway, I see a difference...

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Still, thats not the point. The point is, what right does Limbaugh have to criticise the drug abuse of others, when he himself was a prescription abuser? None.

Wrong.

There is something called "The First Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America". It affords Rush Limbaugh the same right it affords you to make statements like the one I quoted above.

Had you used "credibility" instead of "right", perhaps a legitimate debate could ensue.

quote Originally posted by Scottzilla79: Attention liberals. If you really want to understand why some on the right get their panties in a bunch about everything Obama does. Just look at how you react to Rush Limbaugh. One he is laughing at the absurdity of Diane Sawyer being impressed with recycling over anything else that is happening there. Two he is mocking the idea that 'mother earth' would forsake Japan since they are so environmentally conscientious. The exact opposite of what Beck is saying. that there is some supernatual cause for the earthquake. He is not laughing at the Japanese people or their plight. You may proceed unbunching your panties.

K... Go to japan then, explain that to them, in the exact same manner you explained it to us. See how far you get.. No? Did'nt think so.

Im not defending anyone on either side.. I think they both suck. The fact you would even attempt to defend moron leeches of society such as Limabagh and Beck is far beyond me.

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: I think he represents his own brand of conservatism. So?

It goes back to my original posting. He was blatantly callous, and he was/is a drug addict. Now apparently, he's also a hypocrite too. I still can't believe anybody would bother to listen to him. On the other hand, I can't believe anybody listens to rap music.

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: Wrong. There is something called "The First Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America". It affords Rush Limbaugh the same right it affords you to make statements like the one I quoted above. Had you used "credibility" instead of "right", perhaps a legitimate debate could ensue.

Oh well, guess I missed out on my big chance to listen to you defend him. Darn. I could remedy that by using the terminology you wanted me to, but instead of appeasing you on a splitting of hairs, I'll just call him a hypocrite and scuttle debate.

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quote Originally posted by carnut122: It goes back to my original posting. He was blatantly callous, and he was/is a drug addict. Now apparently, he's also a hypocrite too. I still can't believe anybody would bother to listen to him. On the other hand, I can't believe anybody listens to rap music.

I don't know a single person, personally, who has not been hypocritical on something in their lifetime. For instance, me telling my daughter to wait until she is married to have sex when I had sex before I was married...

quote Originally posted by carnut122: I still can't believe anybody would bother to listen to him.

quote Originally posted by carnut122: No, I've never listened to his show

Incompatible statements. You have no credibility and have lost, by default, the debate you started.

So it's unimaginable that anyone would listen to someone who has done some drugs on the radio... but you're cool with voting for someone who's snorted cocaine for president...

Or is the double standard okay since a marxist can do no wrong ?

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: Which ones?

Oh you snuck that in there. Here ya go, his transgression with the law resulted in:

quote The formal agreement between Mr. Limbaugh and the State Attorney will be filed with the Court on Monday. The terms of the agreement are substantively as follows: •Mr. Limbaugh will continue in treatment with the doctor he has seen for the past two and one half years. •After Mr. Limbaugh completes an additional 18 months of treatment, the State Attorney has agreed to drop the charge. •Mr. Limbaugh has agreed to make a $30,000 payment to the State of Florida to defray the public cost of the investigation

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: Yes, take your slacker retort and go home if you can't defend your positions.

I've made my points repeatedly in this thread for the last week and responded to any challenges to them. You didn't respond to any of them until now.. who's the slacker? Seems to me you're late to the party. If I wanted to listen to the same things regurgitated back at me again, I would be happy to engage. But I tire of hearing the same defense, no ground has been gained by either side arguing it. And I doubt you would be any more willing to follow my demands on debate if I made them like you did, so don't expect me to kowtow to yours, either. Your position is well known to me on this, you will defend him regardless of what I say. What makes you think I want to bang my head against that wall any further?

Now if you'll excuse me, there's more important things for me to attend to than a back and forth of "He's a hypocrite/no he's not" for another several posts. It's an exercise in futility and I can't imagine what you see so positive in such an action anyhow.

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quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: Incompatible statements. You have no credibility and have lost, by default, the debate you started.

Huh??????????

quote Originally posted by carnut122: So, we can agree. he's a hypocrite. Now, from what I can tell on this thread, his audience is about 5 people, this proves my original statement.

And I would venture to say that anyone who bashes him for being such is one also because as I said, "I don't know a single person, personally, who has not been hypocritical on something in their lifetime.".

As to the size of his audience, /shrug he may not have a large number of posters here that listen to him but here is a relatively small segment of the population.

quote Originally posted by Khw: I don't know a single person, personally, who has not been hypocritical on something in their lifetime. For instance, me telling my daughter to wait until she is married to have sex when I had sex before I was married...

Probably the smartest post in this thread.

quote Originally posted by Khw: And I would venture to say that anyone who bashes him for being such is one also because as I said, "I don't know a single person, personally, who has not been hypocritical on something in their lifetime.". As to the size of his audience, /shrug he may not have a large number of posters here that listen to him but here is a relatively small segment of the population.

If I was a drug abuser, I would have no basis for telling my children not to abuse drugs. Likewise, if I was a conservative talk-show brain-trust/mouthpiece, I wouldn't be spouting off to an audience of 5 to 5,000 about getting tough on drug addicts and throwing them all in jail and then go off pleading to stay out of jail. He talks the talk, but obviously, he doesn't believe strongly enough in what he's espousing to walk the walk.

She was in agony without it and was on her deathbed. What could another doctor do ? I just had some surgery to remove some abnormal bone around a toe. They gave me a months supply of Oxycodone. They did absolutely nothing for the pain. I was supposed to take one every 8 hours. I ran out quick because I went to one every 2 or 3 hours with barely any effect on the pain.

quote Originally posted by carnut122: If I was a drug abuser, I would have no basis for telling my children not to abuse drugs.

Not arguing with you. Just saying that this is false thinking.

Of COURSE, it hurts your CREDIBILITY if you are telling your children not to abuse drugs when you are doing it. But one should still do it anyway. You do it based on #1 it is the truth, and #2 you honestly tell them the hurt and damage it has caused and you appeal to them on that basis. Obviously, some are going to follow what you DO and not what you say, but you still try and some children go for it.

Same thing with the sex-before-marriage thing. Don't fall into that trap of, well, I had sex before marriage, so I can't say anything. Yes you can. You don't let children throw that back in your face. You train them on what is right, not on what you were able to accomplish perfectly. You making mistakes in YOUR upbringing and youth doesn't give them license to make the same mistakes. You challenge them to be BETTER than you, not to aim down to your level. (and I don't mean that to come down hard on people that had sex before marriage. This is just an example of one thing).

And absolutely, it helps with the credibility, if you have already QUIT what you are doing at the time you are telling others not to do it.

I can’t believe I’m doing this as it’s probably pointless to debate it with you, but.

quote Originally posted by carnut122: If I was a drug abuser, I would have no basis for telling my children not to abuse drugs. Likewise, if I was a conservative talk-show brain-trust/mouthpiece, I wouldn't be spouting off to an audience of 5 to 5,000 about getting tough on drug addicts and throwing them all in jail and then go off pleading to stay out of jail. He talks the talk, but obviously, he doesn't believe strongly enough in what he's espousing to walk the walk.

quote On October 10, 2003, Limbaugh admitted to listeners on his radio show that he was addicted to prescription painkillers and stated that he would enter inpatient treatment for 30 days, immediately following the broadcast. He did not specifically mention to which type of pain medication he was addicted. Speaking about his behavior, Limbaugh went on to say: "I am not making any excuses. You know, over the years athletes and celebrities have emerged from treatment centers to great fanfare and praise for conquering great demons. They are said to be great role models and examples for others. Well, I am no role model. I refuse to let anyone think I am doing something great here, when there are people you never hear about, who face long odds and never resort to such escapes.” "They are the role models. I am no victim and do not portray myself as such. I take full responsibility for my problem."

Yeah, I bet you don’t see his admission posted on many left wing sites. Reality is people make mistakes, a strong person can admit his mistakes and take steps to correct them.

Not to mention Rush was only charged with 1 count of Doctor Shopping, to which he was found Not Guilty. The Not Guilty verdict was reached in agreement with the Prosecuting Attorney. In addition even the ACLU came to Rush’s defense.

quote The ACLU, an organization often lambasted by Limbaugh, has come to his defense, claiming that the district attorney violated Limbaugh's constitutional rights by "fishing" through his private medical records.

As I’ve said before, I don’t know a single person who has not been hypocritical about something at some point in their life. If being hypocritical about something immediately dashes any opinion expressed on any other topic, then no ones opinions on anything are valid. Even a person who has been hypocritical on a topic can still espouse opinions in contrast to what they may have done or may be doing and have them still be valid opinions. People learn from their mistakes and try to prevent others from making the same mistakes they did or are currently battling.

The problem here is you are so filed with vitriol and venom for Rush that none of this will matter. You want to defame and denounce anything he has to say on any topic because he was hypocritical about one thing. You hinge on that hypocrisy as a way to devalue and dismiss anything he has to say. The idea that he has undergone rehabilitation and has tested clean on many a drug test since going to rehab has no bearing on the idea of one learning from their mistakes.

Well, at least Rush admitted he ingested, where as Bill wouldn’t even admit he inhaled.

I guess all I can say is, “Wow it must be awesome being you! I'm super happy you never made a mistake in your life and never had to try to make amends for it. It must be godlike going through life never making a mistake and trying to prevent others from making that mistake also. I wish everyone could be so free of hypocrisy like you. I wish everyone was as perfect as you are.”.

Or wait… maybe it’s time to reflect on yourself and realize that holding others to a higher standard then you hold yourself is in fact hypocrisy. Granted most are probably so blind to themselves that they won’t see the hypocrisies they have or have committed, which in itself is yet another form of hypocrisy as they will expect others to be honest with them yet not be honest with themselves.

Anyways I view this as a lost cause. Keep hinging on hypocrisy as your argument to refute a persons opinion. I’m sure it will meet with much future success, just as it hasn’t done here. It’s one thing to point out hypocrisy when you see it, it’s another thing to use it as a basis to dismiss anything a person ever does especially on unrelated topics.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Khw:

"I can’t believe I’m doing this as it’s probably pointless to debate it with you, but."

I was not the one that turned this into a debate. It was never meant to be a debate. The title clearly shows that it's my opinion. An opinion is clearly something that I'm entitled to have. Likewise, you may also have an opinion that is different to mine-I'm OK with that. It makes no difference to me either way. Clearly neither one of us will change the other's view-why bother. If you wish to start your own thread about what a great Guy Rush is, that's OK with me too.

[This message has been edited by carnut122 (edited 03-24-2011).]