quote Originally posted by katore8105: [rant]. . . I can't imagine that a mathematician is needed to perform as a Patent Attorney so I am betting you are no Mathematician. (Though Not a Layman, I am not going to question your intelligence as it seems you are quite smart). However you obviously know the answers here and not being a mathematician, by your standards, you can't possibly know or comment. Had you taken into consideration your approach and God complex, I would have been far more receptive to these replies. When it comes down to it, You sound like a spoiled little brat having a bad day. . . [/rant] !

Wow. Just Wow. Nice rant. Misdirected, of course, but. . .

You're sort of right in one respect, that is, my daily job doesn't require me to always use everything I've learned. (More's the pity. I read through old textbooks sometimes, just to stay sharp). I just use pieces, here and there. Just the same, I think that the two degrees in physics that hang on my wall mean that I just might know something of the topic, and just a wee bit about mathematics.

Conversely, you make pronouncements in a vacuum and announce that you need no qualifications, whatever, to do so, yet seem to think others have to "qualify" to challenge anything you say. Interesting attitude.

quote Originally posted by Shyster: . . . I think that the two degrees in physics that hang on my wall . . . . . .you make pronouncements in a vacuum . . .

Trust a physicist to get a comment about a vacuum into a paragraph. I just love technical talk.

Well the sunspot number is up to 51 today and they've posted this.

A solar wind stream flowing from the indicated coronal hole should reach Earth on or about Feb. 10th. Credit: SOHO Extreme UV Telescope

http://spaceweather.com/

Now we'll see. What weather changes will occur, if any, on or after 11 Feb? This isn't much of a solar wind flow as they go. If you look at the archive which now goes back to 2001, on this day in 2001 there were 163 sunspots feeding the solar radiation.

Arn

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: Well the sunspot number is up to 51 today and they've posted this. A solar wind stream flowing from the indicated coronal hole should reach Earth on or about Feb. 10th. Credit: SOHO Extreme UV Telescope http://spaceweather.com/ Now we'll see. What weather changes will occur, if any, on or after 11 Feb? This isn't much of a solar wind flow as they go. If you look at the archive which now goes back to 2001, on this day in 2001 there were 163 sunspots feeding the solar radiation. Arn

hhmmmm....so....perhaps groundhogs are sun spot sensitive, and thats how they know?

The earth is liquid iron under the mantle. The iron behaves in a somewhat similar way as weather cells in the atmosphere, they have their own local flows that have to blend and interact with other cells in a closed environment. Earths magnetic field is a result of these interactions. In the last six hundred years the north magnetic pole has been as far south as central europe. It moves up to fifty miles daily, so the 'pole' is the average of this normally limited movement. The average spot moves around and historically we are about due for a north/south reversal. Due to the nature of geologic time this due date could be fifty or five thousand years. Its not like we can actually track the fluid motion of the planet's core.

quote Originally posted by Phaeton: The earth is liquid iron under the mantle. The iron behaves in a somewhat similar way as weather cells in the atmosphere, they have their own local flows that have to blend and interact with other cells in a closed environment. Earths magnetic field is a result of these interactions. In the last six hundred years the north magnetic pole has been as far south as central europe. It moves up to fifty miles daily, so the 'pole' is the average of this normally limited movement. The average spot moves around and historically we are about due for a north/south reversal. Due to the nature of geologic time this due date could be fifty or five thousand years. Its not like we can actually track the fluid motion of the planet's core.

So the actual effect of a "pole reversal" would be...?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: So the actual effect of a "pole reversal" would be...?

Obsolete Compass. You would have to go up North to Florida.

quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: Obsolete Compass. You would have to go up North to Florida.

Uh, oh. Southerners would become Northerners, and Northerners would become Southerners. The panic in Dixie would be monumental!

The effects of a pole reversal will be known after it happens. There are no firm correlations in the record equating life die off to magnetic changes. The poles won't just swap ends one day, they go into slow motion AC with the axis aligning on what would seem to us random directions. Then settle roughly aligned with earth's rotational axis. That's the guess that makes the most sense to me, opinions may vary.

All the computers and trained scientists cannot even accurately predict the next day's weather. This magnetic field in the earth and its relationship to the sun's particles is actually complicated.

We see the sun remains pretty quiet.

Here is an explanation of sunspot activity and it is good to understand because this affects our weather, (not you and me)

http://science.nasa.gov/sci...pr_deepsolarminimum/

Arn

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: We see the sun remains pretty quiet. Here is an explanation of sunspot activity and it is good to understand because this affects our weather, (not you and me) http://science.nasa.gov/sci...pr_deepsolarminimum/ Arn

"Deep calm was fairly common a hundred years ago. The solar minima of 1901 and 1913, for instance, were even longer than the one we're experiencing now. To match those minima in terms of depth and longevity, the current minimum will have to last at least another year."

So does it usually bounce back with any effect to our weahter when it does?

There is a pretty strong correlation. If you look on the thread "the case against anthropological global warming" you'll see it laid out pretty plainly. There are other solar factors however. The website http://spaceweather.com/ is a good one to research this.

Arn

I wonder what impact the pole reversal will have on migrating animals...?

There is new activity in the sun folks.

http://spaceweather.com/

It looks like the solar minimum may be over. There is also some magnetic energy activity. Worth checking out.

Arn

quote Originally posted by katore8105: The Earth's magnetic field may flip towards the end of the next millennium according to Danish geophysicists, exposing the Earth to harmful cosmic radiation in the process. In the past century, the magnetic north pole has moved over 1000 km towards the geographical north pole, and over the past decade the strength of the magnetic field has fallen by 1%. New measurements made in Greenland by the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) show that the magnetic north pole is moving northwards at 20 km a year - 2 km a year faster than 12 months ago.

I am sure Al Gore and company will find a way to pin this on human intervention as well...and how the governement should pay him more money to find a means of halting it.

quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: Obsolete Compass. You would have to go up North to Florida.

...and maps, so collect all those old maps as they will be 'collectable' in the future...

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quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: There is new activity in the sun folks. http://spaceweather.com/ It looks like the solar minimum may be over. There is also some magnetic energy activity. Worth checking out. Arn

Not sure we need to get too excited:

"All three sunspots on the Earth-facing side of the sun are rapidly fading away. "

quote Originally posted by FieroRumor: The meat will need to make machines which protect the meat from dangerous meat-cooking rays. The meat shall survive this threat. The meat has meat thoughts and meat answers.

The meat shall inherit the earth.

All I know is that this must mean it is time to don the purple robe and tennis shoes. Whose making the punch?

I am not positive, however I seem to remember something about the polarity of electric current could be affected by the earths polarity causing electronics to cease function until a (I forgot the doohickey) is installed into electronic devices to correct function. Once again, I do not remember the source or the viability of this vague recollection.

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quote Originally posted by katore8105: I am not positive, however I seem to remember something about the polarity of electric current could be affected by the earths polarity causing electronics to cease function until a (I forgot the doohickey) is installed into electronic devices to correct function. Once again, I do not remember the source or the viability of this vague recollection.

How in the world would that happen? Electronic devices aren't dependent on the Earth's magnetic field to be polarized one way or the other. An electromagnetic circuit produces it's own local electromagnetic field. Unless there is something I'm overlooking here?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: How in the world would that happen? Electronic devices aren't dependent on the Earth's magnetic field to be polarized one way or the other. An electromagnetic circuit produces it's own local electromagnetic field. Unless there is something I'm overlooking here?

I am not sure to be honest. It might have been something I saw on discovery channel or something like that and I could also be either relaying the information improperly or even remembering it incorrectly all together. I was hoping someone here would actually be able to clear it up for me.

Just to point out that we have record cold temperatures still occurring. Calgary Canada is in record cold, to name one.

And, like the start of this thread guess how many sunspots today?

One (1)

http://spaceweather.com/

Seems like old man winter is having a field day. Oh, wait, I'm sorry mister Gore. It is all the fault of Global Warming

It is all that hot air over the equator causing the record cold up here in Canada.

Arn

The sun is becoming more active.

We have 6 sunspots facing earth, and if you look at the newest one it is pretty active.

http://spaceweather.com/

We may have bottomed out on Global Cooling. Maybe this winter won't be so bad?

Arn

There is news today about a solar storm on the sun. The scientists involved are predicting all sorts of effects which may or may not be realized. They are also stating that the solar activity is increasing.

Just to recap, in the year 2000 we had close to 200 sunspots. That was an active solar cycle and caused..... wait for it.....
Global Warming. Yup, it was so.

Today chicken little is telling us the sun is ramping up again. But look at the evidence. Today's pic of the sun's surface.



The sun may be starting an active period, but nobody knows. It may stay the same. Nobody knows.

Arn

quote Originally posted by katore8105: Though the Solar activity does greatly effect earths climate, CO2 and methane are indisputably green house gasses trapping even more of the suns radiation while reflecting it back to the surface of the earth. Though we cannot control the amount of solar radiation that reaches Earths atmosphere, We most certainly control how much of it is retained.

CO2 content in Earth's Atmosphere is 330 parts per million. The Earth has had periods of concentrations of up to 440 parts per million in the geological record where the mean temperature was exactly what it is today. The anology of using a japanese hand fan to cool down your house seems oddly appropriate. CO2 is not a big deal. In fact as far as tri-atomic structures go it is one of the worst at heat retention. Sulpher Dioxide and Water Vapor are far better heat retainers. Venus and Mars both have about 97% CO2 content in their atmospheres. One is a boiling caldren and one is an ice cube. Why? the Sun.