I'm sure most of you know I have 5 children (ages 5, 7, 9, 11, and 12). I have been told they are very well behaved in school and on the bus, though I don't see that behavior all the time at home. It still amazes me the differences in each of them with peronalities.

I am one of those horrible parents that want to see my children succeed in life, so I began pushing them toward being self sufficient very early. Siimple things to start, like getting dressed and putting toys away. As they get older I push for them to help with housework like: laundry, washing dishes (no dishwasher), sweeping, helping with dinner. They were all able to make their own lunches for school in kindergarten.

I am proud to say my children know enough basic skills and will continue to learn more regardless of the dirty looks I get, or comments I hear about how my children shouldn't know how to use the microwave, stove, oven, toaster, washer, dryer, vacuum, broom, etc.

I tell my children like this... "Mommy ain't gonna be here forever, your gonna have to do this eventually, so why not learn now?"

Just my $0.03

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Hey Joey, glad to see you are still here.

And glad to see there are a few parents who care about their kids survival. Some feel that technology will save them. They can Google anything they want to know. Problem is like during Katrina and 911 technology doesn’t work well.

Kids are becoming to dependant on technology, most couldn’t wash a dish unless they had a dishwasher. We have had a couple of juvenile delinquents here the last few weeks and one couldn’t tell me where the statue of liberty was, other than in the water. He had to look at his cell phone.

They use computers at school and can’t write. They don’t know how to do anything without that extra brain.

Halloween is coming what are your kids going as?

Steve

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and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by anonymity: I'm sure most of you know I have 5 children (ages 5, 7, 9, 11, and 12). I have been told they are very well behaved in school and on the bus, though I don't see that behavior all the time at home. It still amazes me the differences in each of them with peronalities. I am one of those horrible parents that want to see my children succeed in life, so I began pushing them toward being self sufficient very early. Siimple things to start, like getting dressed and putting toys away. As they get older I push for them to help with housework like: laundry, washing dishes (no dishwasher), sweeping, helping with dinner. They were all able to make their own lunches for school in kindergarten. I am proud to say my children know enough basic skills and will continue to learn more regardless of the dirty looks I get, or comments I hear about how my children shouldn't know how to use the microwave, stove, oven, toaster, washer, dryer, vacuum, broom, etc. I tell my children like this... "Mommy ain't gonna be here forever, your gonna have to do this eventually, so why not learn now?" Just my $0.03

Are they helping in the garage yet? Someone's gotta keep the family business going!

Hey, Steve! I'm still around. Kids haven't picked out costumes yet, but they're startin to get ideas .

My oldest son (11) loves his video games and google and youtube (with supervision, of course) but has no desire to actually work. He'll put his clothes away and clean his room, but asking him to wash dishes is a punishment. He'll do them, but whine about it the whole time. Lol

My oldest daughter (12) surprised me yesterday... she actually knows what "elbow grease" is!

The rest are pretty good about helping with laundry and stuff. I don't get much of an arguement about turning off the tv to get chores done.

The older kids have been trying to convince me they "need" a cell phone... I say they need a job!

Technology is definitely creating a problem for their generation, but not in my house!

Like I said before... I'm one of those horrible parents that still believe in the "old school" ways. My children will be some of the few that would be able to survive (for a little while) when technology fails.

Joey

One of the girls I know has a 10 yo daughter. Shes smarter that some of the girls I know going to college.

Ill totally agree that the dumb under 25yos FAR outnumber the just average smart ones. One that always sticks in my mind is the one who argued with me on how to spell ' when ' and ' what '. Shes like halfway thru college. One got fired from the store because she cant count change. She always only charged a customer the dollar amount of their check and ignored the change part. Luckily her tips balanced out most of what she lost. She just couldnt figure out why every girl on a shift made $75-100 and she made $10. The girl worked part time while in the university.

quote Originally posted by anonymity: ... asking him to wash dishes is a punishment. He'll do them, but whine about it the whole time.

Greetings Joey. A two for your parenting. However, him washing dishes, to me, would be a regular chore at least until he can do it without whining. Or, I would feed him from dirty dishes.
Are we raising morons ? As a society ? Yes.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: What the hell, dude. Is it really that hard to control those impulses to try to make thIngs all about politics? So very sad.

Sorry Jeff, ... FAIL. Society/politics do social engineer. Not all things should be turned to a political bend but this certainly can be. Heh, schools are political entities.
Yes, we as a society are indeed raising morons, along with others that are not. Entitlements, political correctness, advertisement pressures which distort reality, TV shows/internet which also distort reality. Schools which have been hijacked by the liberal agenda. Acceptance of single parenthood/different fathers. The attacks on Christianity. Believe or not, many a good parenting lesson comes from the Bible.
However, the ultimate responsibility does indeed come down to the parent(s). Two generations back, we raised morons who are raising these new morons. There are morons from my generation. It does seem that there are more and more though. Acceptance and appeasement by society is responsible. Having to be responsible, personal responsibility, is the cure.

quote Originally posted by anonymity: That all depends on what you mean by "helping". Lol They love goin to the shop, but its hit-or-miss with who wants to get involved. Jewell has taken an interest in hauling, she's willing to miss school to travel with mom, but mom makes her wait for a weekend trip. Joey

I can still remember--from when I was about 12/13 or 14, seeing my older sister back in the corner of dad's shop, running the old Sioux valve and seat grinding machine, while my brother and I were pulling off another set of heads. Sis would have been 15-16 at the most.

Great post, Joey!
It's nice to see a parent that understands their job isn't to "protect" their child from the world, it's to "prepare" them for it.

Are we raising morons ?

Yes. My chance to change that cycle will happen within the month.

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quote Originally posted by Formula88: Great post, Joey! It's nice to see a parent that understands their job isn't to "protect" their child from the world, it's to "prepare" them for it.

I constantly tell my kids its a cruel world... be prepared for it.

In their lives nobody will sugar-coat anything, so why should I? Its called tough love. I love all my kids, but I don't see any reason to "protect" them from reality.

While the rest of society hides safely behind their computer, I'm preparing my kids for life... as much as I can, anyway. The only one of my children that is trying to fight me is my oldest son, so I call him "basement boy" meaning... he'll be the one living in my basement with his video games and computer well into his thirties. Lol

He tells me he's gonna move out after high school, but gets real quiet when I ask him how he'll wash clothes or dishes if he doesn't learn now.

Dave and I are very sarcastic with the kids, others say we're harsh.

I'm not gonna do everything for the kids when they are more than capable of doing things for themselves.

There was a post in here about potty training. I've heard some parents claim children will learn when they are ready, I couldn't wait that long. I was changin diapers for nine years by the time the youngest was trained. Kids don't know anything til their introduced to the idea.

I blame the parents for a lot of the issues children have these days. Its easier to sit a child in front of a tv or computer than it is to entertain children.

I could go on and on and on...

Joey

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: http://www.boston.com/news/...tion_of_nincompoops/ NEW YORK—Second-graders who can't tie shoes or zip jackets. Four-year-olds in Pull-Ups diapers. Five-year-olds in strollers. Teens and preteens befuddled by can openers and ice-cube trays. College kids who've never done laundry, taken a bus alone or addressed an envelope.

I have no problem with the fact that my children will automatically be superior to nearly everyone else's because every other parent in this world sucks.

What I do have a problem with however, is that our country is becoming an entitlement nation where children are raised to expect and demand things from those with more simply because they've been raised to assume that they are deserving of it. How that works out in their minds is beyond me. The mind is pretty amazing though how it can create obscure logic based on an exclusive set of criteria that it's given... kind of like how the CBO operates.

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2002 Ford Explorer Sport 2dr 4x2
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: One got fired from the store because she cant count change.

This is nothing new. When I was a senior in high school (a LONG time ago) I worked an hour a day in the school store, along with the two co-valedictorians in my class. One of the hours before ours the store was staffed by three cheerleaders.

The cash box was always supposed to contain $50 at the beginning of the hour and $50 at the end of the hour ... and the money from any sales went in an envelope labeled with the hour, accompanied by a sheet reconciling the hour's transactions. The cash box was always supposed to balance to $50. It wasn't unusual when we took our shift to find a note that the cheerleaders were out of balance ... sometimes by more than $30 ... but it never seemed to bother them at all. The three of us soon assigned ourselves the task of auditing the previous hours' balance sheets, and we were usually able to get everyone back in balance within a few cents. If there was a remaining error, it had almost always occurred during the cheerleaders' hour.

Each generation has its own crop of clueless airheads.

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quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Are we raising morons ? Yes. My chance to change that cycle will happen within the month.

Come on, Tony. You're far too intelligent a man for that. I don't believe that you honestly adhere to the premise that our "moron" situation is not only the fault of the current administration but is likely to change because of one election regardless of who you vote for. It's taken a couple of generations (if not a few) to get to this point. Uninvolved parents (or unevolved ones, if one wished to be cynical about it) in combination with a LOOONG TIME failing educational system are part of the problem as well. Teachers like "Cooter" and parents that demand academic performance from their children deserve a major pat on the back for even caring and continuing to try but they alone can't be expected to effectively remedy a problem that starts long before the student ever gets into the classroom.

I taught Creative Writing at the college level for two years and was absolutely amazed at how many students couldn't put a decent sentence together, much less write a coherent essay. More often than not, it was like reading a 2-3 page long text message. It was one of the most frustrating things I've ever done. How does one fail English when English is your mother tongue?

Placing value on education starts at home and moves on from there. Garbage in, garbage out.

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speaking as someone who has a very high IQ, excelled in school and was often very frustrated in class by the slower students...i think "we" ARE raising morons, in the sense that we are turning normal kids INTO morons. EVERY CLASS in the history of humans has had a few "slow learners." but now, every single school and every grade and class ive been in (other than 5th grade math class), each teacher has been instructed to slow the pace of the ENTIRE class to keep pace with the slower kids. highschool, elementary school, big city, small town, didnt matter. was all the same. a few stupid kids slowed the entire class. my 5th grade math class however, the teacher was equally frustrated and basically said "f*** it." he gave us all the math book for the entire year, and we each went at our own pace. that meant some kids needed help to finish before the year was over, but that also meant some of us (including me and most of my friends in the same class) finished the entire curriculum in just a few months. for the rest of the year we got to learn more advanced mathematics, instead of us being stuck in the same spot as the slow kids due to having to keep the entire class at the same pace as them...for what purpose? to make them not feel bad about themselves? some people are stupid, some people are not. some people are weak, some people are strong. we are NOT all equal. i went thru highschool bored as hell because i knew most things they were teaching, and even the things i didnt know, i was lucky enough to learn over and over again because the slow kids couldnt grasp the concept...

Doni... So sorry that as humans we are at a difference politically, and spiritually. I DO believe that you are a good human, and while we are at a difference on life's hurtles, I always enjoy reading your side of the story. No Joke. I believe that my post was lost to internet translation to you. I see a black hole being created by single parent families, government choke holds of the poor, and a general lack of community caring. Excellent nod to Cooter. Our son is coming soon. Amy and I are going to give every advantage that we can muster to the little guy. But, he will be rubbed in the dirt, just to calus him up a bit.

faaaq... "speaking as someone who has a very high IQ," And so the example speaks?!

Oh the huge manatee!

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Our son is coming soon. Amy and I are going to give every advantage that we can muster to the little guy. But, he will be rubbed in the dirt, just to callous him up a bit.

Congrats! The kid's in good hands.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: You know i look at it like this:

And here's how the older generation sees you.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Im 19, spent most of my childhood wishing i had all the cool toys my friends in the neighborhood had, had more than just "old" toys handed down from the 80's kids my older sisters are, and could watch Cable t.v. on a tv bigger than 15x18(? could have been smaller IDRC).

You don't know the basic fact that a TV's size is a single diagonal measurement.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: I still write in cursive when i have to, barely know how to defrag my computer, have known how to tie my Boots and Tie since i was about 4 1/2 and my last "accident" was when i was 3ish and that was on a long trip to New Jersey to visit family (yeah i checked with mom lol).

You lack a basic understanding of capitalization and proper nouns, and think that "lol" is a word used in one-way communication.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: I played with a Yo-yo untill 8th grade when my friends introduced me to Airsoft, something of which i had no idea even existed and up to that point we were just shooting eachother with BB guns on 2 to 3 pumps XD Uh for those that know me personally they know that i definatly dont smoke pot or cigarettes for that matter and i Sure as **** done drink cuz ive seen what that can do and im bigger and More of a Man than to do that.

You try to use proper grammar ("something of which") but you do it incorrectly in a way that makes you sound like Mike Tyson. "eachother" is two words, not one, "definatly" is actually spelled "definitely", and "done" is actually spelled "don't".

See if you make it through a college freshman English class with those writing skillz. Or try sending out an email to your boss with grammar, spelling and absurd capitalization like that and see how much longer you work there. You're the same age as TheBDub, but he seems to have no problem with these basic concepts. You have no excuse.

Why capitalization matters:

Correct:
"I helped Jack off a horse."

Incorrect:
"I helped jack off a horse."

Got it?


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quote Originally posted by crazyd: And here's how the older generation sees you.

And proper spelling really matters on an online forum why now? Im a History major, not a Language specialist and nit picking my entire responce is so pointless that it proves to me that you have nothing better to do than quite litteraly nit-pick everyones posts for proper spelling and grammar.

Also, why would it honestly matter that i "dont know" that Television stes are a rudementary rectangle? The box on wheels we had included a half blown speaker, the "Snowstorm" for most channels, and it worked on rabbit ears one of which was broken. We only recently purchased a LCD flat screen and have it mated to a theatre surround sound system i garbage picked two years ago from our old apartment complex's garbage furnature and electronics dumping spot.

Get a life bud, i dont have to walk around with a spelling handbook to make it in life.

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quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: And proper spelling really matters on an online forum why now? Im a History major, not a Language specialist and nit picking my entire responce is so pointless that it proves to me that you have nothing better to do than quite litteraly nit-pick everyones posts for proper spelling and grammar. Get a life bud, i dont have to walk around with a spelling handbook to make it in life.

Why does it matter even in an online forum? It matters everywhere, because people judge you and the value of your contributions by the quality of your writing. You think that being a History major excuses you from knowing how to construct a coherent and intelligible sentence. You can't even accept constructive criticism without getting defensive and making ad hominem attacks on me. This is why you fail. You are precisely the sort of nincompoop that we are ALL concerned is our future.

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not quite bud, when im actually going to write out a detailed report or somthing of that matter in hand script i tend to do so neatly and spell correctly. On here i dont even bother trying due to the fact that it just makes no sense to me to even try to do so.

As for the constructive critisizm comment, that is total bs. everything you typed to me seemed to be in a direct attact form. For future reference i would start the post by stating its constructive crit and avoiding an outlash like this.

I wont give you a neg unless you truely upset me or attack another person on here and to date i have given 3 negs and 20some positive points.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: not quite bud, when im actually going to write out a detailed report or somthing of that matter in hand script i tend to do so neatly and spell correctly. On here i dont even bother trying due to the fact that it just makes no sense to me to even try to do so.

I'm not your bud. Maybe you should ask TheBDub why it makes sense to him to even try to spell correctly, as for someone your own age his posts are at least worth reading.

quote I wont give you a neg unless you truely upset me or attack another person on here and to date i have given 3 negs and 20some positive points.

Your delusions of grandeur will not change my opinion of you.

quote Originally posted by crazyd: Why capitalization matters: Correct: "I helped Jack off a horse." Incorrect: "I helped jack off a horse." Got it?

Why have I not ever heard that expression before?! Fantastic! I truely cannot wait to use that in everyday life.

Not all of the younger generation is mentally challenged. But, there is a high percentage that just don't get it. For those of you that want to actually make something of themselves, I say congrats. I believe that it is harder to make something of one's self now, than it was pre cell phone era. Distractions are rampent, and are only going to increase as advertising, big business, and the latest thing-a-ma-jiggy is released upon the youth. Good luck kiddies. I believe that you will need it.

(I am 38, and can feel age creeping up. But I am a fighter, and age is a bout that I am prepared to fight. )

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you know crazyd im not even sure why you singled my post out in the first place. Do you have some sort of vengence against me? Are you upset over something i posted on here? Or is it true that you actually took the time to nit pick my post and others for Spelling and gramatical errors and are now ticked that im calling your time wasted?

in any case i honestly dont care what your opinion of me is much like im sure many of the good people that frequent this forum dont give two shakes of a rattlers tail either of what you OR I think of them. You live a great distance from me and at the same time due to the wonder we call electricity and Fiber optic cable you are next door at the same time.

If i get the chance to meet you in person ill shake your hand and most likely move on to the next person in line and greet them the same way. EVERYONE is equal in my eyes.

TK you seem to me like a guy with a good amount of sense on your shoulders even as ummm middle aged as you are<--- meant as a joke in good taste

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quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: faaaq... "speaking as someone who has a very high IQ," And so the example speaks?! Oh the huge manatee!

Yeah, not to be a dick, but an IQ is usually not something that people share openly, especially when it's good. IQs serve no other purpose than helping parents place their children in advanced learning centors to take advantage of the additional learning capacity. But, the capacity for learning has unfortunately not been utilized in his case (yet). The grammatical errors, lack of capitalization, and lack of appropriate punctuation are appauling. Either he doesn't care, or he missed that lesson in class with the other slow students.

I'm drunk as all-get-out right now; however, I managed to type this with some level of decorum. I really am fun at parties, I swear.

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2002 Ford Explorer Sport 2dr 4x2
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: you know crazyd im not even sure why you singled my post out in the first place. Do you have some sort of vengence against me? Are you upset over something i posted on here? Or is it true that you actually took the time to nit pick my post and others for Spelling and gramatical errors and are now ticked that im calling your time wasted?

Hardly. You simply lacked the good judgement to avoid making an example of yourself in a thread about what's wrong with today's youth, and I called you out on it. Grow some balls and stop whining like a little girl about it.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Are we raising morons ? Yes. My chance to change that cycle will happen within the month.

And I did my part by not having any.

What is our desire to have children based on?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/078664.html

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Need I say more....

http://www.break.com/index/..._on_millionaire.html

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: speaking as someone who has a very high IQ, excelled in school and was often very frustrated in class by the slower students...i think "we" ARE raising morons, in the sense that we are turning normal kids INTO morons. EVERY CLASS in the history of humans has had a few "slow learners." but now, every single school and every grade and class ive been in (other than 5th grade math class), each teacher has been instructed to slow the pace of the ENTIRE class to keep pace with the slower kids. highschool, elementary school, big city, small town, didnt matter. was all the same. a few stupid kids slowed the entire class. my 5th grade math class however, the teacher was equally frustrated and basically said "f*** it." he gave us all the math book for the entire year, and we each went at our own pace. that meant some kids needed help to finish before the year was over, but that also meant some of us (including me and most of my friends in the same class) finished the entire curriculum in just a few months. for the rest of the year we got to learn more advanced mathematics, instead of us being stuck in the same spot as the slow kids due to having to keep the entire class at the same pace as them...for what purpose? to make them not feel bad about themselves? some people are stupid, some people are not. some people are weak, some people are strong. we are NOT all equal. i went thru highschool bored as hell because i knew most things they were teaching, and even the things i didnt know, i was lucky enough to learn over and over again because the slow kids couldnt grasp the concept...

Dude come on...

I like you. I really do. But this post is one of the worst you've given. Why? Because:

1) You don't bring IQ into this. IQ measures how well you can learn; it does NOT correlate to you being a moron or not.

2) You excelled in school? That would be a fine statement if you were in college on your way to a good degree. Not when you just posted a thread about how much your life sucks. I excelled in school, and I can prove it by the college I go to and the degree I'm seeking. And don't bring money into this, either. I'm paying my own way. Your dad didn't hold you back from college.

3) You come across as "I'm better than everyone else my age". Yeah, I guess you can say the same to both me and Ramses. But the difference is you don't really have any proof. Ramses has a lot of responsibility where he's at and makes wise decisions. He has his goal and is going after it. I'm... relatively the same.

Sorry Sean but that post hit me the wrong way.

Ramses, crazyd is right (and NOT only because of the compliment he gave me). Punctuation, capitalization, and grammar all play a major part in how things are read. Your tone can be changed with some simple changes in English.

Personally, I found your original post fine. Yeah, you had errors but it was easy to read; I had no need to complain. Nonetheless, you should realize the importance of it regardless of what your major is or if you're writing an essay or on a forum. I'm a Petroleum Engineer major... I haven't had to write a single paper in college yet (and probably won't have to), but you can be dang sure I realize the importance of it.

EDIT: Well... that's embarrassing... I had a spelling error.

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quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: you know crazyd im not even sure why you singled my post out in the first place. Do you have some sort of vengence against me? Are you upset over something i posted on here? Or is it true that you actually took the time to nit pick my post and others for Spelling and gramatical errors and are now ticked that im calling your time wasted? in any case i honestly dont care what your opinion of me is much like im sure many of the good people that frequent this forum dont give two shakes of a rattlers tail either of what you OR I think of them. You live a great distance from me and at the same time due to the wonder we call electricity and Fiber optic cable you are next door at the same time. If i get the chance to meet you in person ill shake your hand and most likely move on to the next person in line and greet them the same way. EVERYONE is equal in my eyes. TK you seem to me like a guy with a good amount of sense on your shoulders even as ummm middle aged as you are<--- meant as a joke in good taste

I suspect, that you haven't a clue just how difficult and ambiguous your posts are to read.
What DOES this mean?

quote If i get the chance to meet you in person ill shake your hand..

Is it your intention, to make him sick?

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quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: And proper spelling really matters on an online forum why now?

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: not quite bud, when im actually going to write out a detailed report or somthing of that matter in hand script i tend to do so neatly and spell correctly. On here i dont even bother trying due to the fact that it just makes no sense to me to even try to do so.

Umm, I don't get it, ?
Would it have made more sense if crazyd had approached you in a manner more suitable to you on an online forum ? Practice begets perfection, as second nature. You can't define what really matters as you are just a small part of the equation. All you can say is what matters to you, and from that, all inferences to who/what you are are fair game.
I am a high school drop out. I do have difficulty with spelling and proper grammar but I overcome by practicing to get it right every chance I get. It carries over to my physical life as an unconscious ability. Just as sure as other peoples sloppy grammar does.

Getting back to the subject at hand---I took a college creative writing class last spring to jump start my creative writing juices and at 72, I was by far the oldest person in the room--the teacher is younger than my daughter. I didn't look at the student's age with any kind of preconceived notion of their abilities--not saying that anyone here does--and I can truly say that that collection of what I term "kids" were the most creative group of writers I have ever seen. One girl is 17, home schooled and is in her second year of college but has a superiority complex; another student has the organizational skills of a baboon but is one of the most creative and intelligent people I ever met. His vocabulary rivals a college professor I once knew.

The students addressed me not with deference but treated me as an equal and gave me honest, creative critiques of my stories. My writing is the result of nearly 67 years of practice but some of the kids' writing is much better than mine. I could create a near complete story in less time than the kids could but that is the result of being able to produce a volume of material on short notice for a number of years. They were stuck in a genre (vampires, zombies and super heroes) but after I lost my prejudices against these kinds of stories, I could see the writing was very good and original. My writing is stuck in a groove, they nicely pointed it out to me and suggested ways I could improve

On the other hand, I fully agree with the others who say they can't make change--I saw that at the local gas station when the cash register was down--and they are raised with near total dependence on technology but they use the tools they are given and they use them well. Is it their fault they don't know history? mathematics? Look at the parents who share responsibility for their child's education and the curriculum that dictates what they will learn or worse, what they will be tested on in a standardized quiz.

I taught Veterans Upward Bound for two semesters at Pikes Peak Community College and I found very dumb and ignorant 40-50 year olds so there is no one cure or cause for this delimma--it crosses generations.

Now back to the regularly scheduled discussion of generational differences.

...schools in my area have 'banned' shoes with laces for kids up to grade 4. It's sad when they have to do this because parents are too lazy to teach their kids something as trivial as this.

Idiocracy
the opening really explains the mechanics of this trend

anyways - we go and create a world that is nice & easy for our children, and then complain about the children of a nice easy world.....

last generation thought the same of this generation. as basic tasks become mechanized, they no longer are "need to know" things. who needs to tie a shoe anymore? there was a time when you had to MAKE your footware. not many can do that either.

but - yes - the current gen seems lacking in many ways.......

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: speaking as someone who has a very high IQ ...

Nya, Nya, Nya!!! Mine is bigger than yours. Nya, Nya, Nya!!!

quote Originally posted by theBDub: snip...but is it necessary? The ONLY place where cursive is necessary is a signature.

I didn't read through the whole thread, but this stuck out to me. Cursive isn't necessary for your signature. Just ask any of the countless people that write checks or cash checks, half the time I'm lucky if I have a first and last name on a check when I cash it for people.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Nya, Nya, Nya!!! Mine is bigger than yours. Nya, Nya, Nya!!!

We're talking IQs here, aren't we Marvin? If so, I'll side with you. I know you're kidding with faaaaaaaaq because you're a humble fellow. If I had half your ability in electronics, I'd be much smarter.

I once met a Korean prostitute whose IQ was off the charts--somewhere between 190 and 220--she could solve a Rubik's cube in less than 40 seconds, do square roots in her head, knew five languages including about 4000 Chinese characters, used her math and accounting ability to cheat a large corporation out of thousands of dollars and was the best--well we won't go there. You use your IQ but she didn't. I hope faaaaaaaaq uses his high IQ to better himself. I don't know my IQ because it never seemed important. Maybe I'll take an IQ test some day but I'll probably be disappointed.

EDIT: My response was emotionally driven instead of factually driven.

[This message has been edited by theBDub (edited 10-04-2010).]

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Dude come on...

not exactly concerned with how it comes off... i only mentioned IQ so the folks who seem to hate me might be less inclined to go "nuh uh, yer a dum dummy." and i DID excel in school. they tried forcing me into every advanced class that was offered, every single year i was in school, from Elementary to Senior year. im not in college because i disagreed with homework and didnt get grades worthy of a scholarship, and cant yet afford college. (sorry, but $30+ a year is a tad out of my price range, and i will NOT spend loads of money and years of my life to learn a trade i dotn enjoy). going to college or not doesnt change if you are smart/good in school... my sister was top in her class from grade 6 to 12. offered a free ride thru Harvard. she isnt in school. in fact last i heard she was unemployed, with no plans to go to school. this is the internet...proof is basically moot. you believe what you choose to. ANYTHING can be faked or lied about unless seen in person. and i never said i was better than everyone else...just better than the few idiots everyone has to deal with in school nowadays that hold everyone back.

There is a difference between intelligence and wisdom.