I for one, am going to vote for the first time ever. Im voting for everyone thats not a democrat. I cant do any worse than whats there now. This is absolutely, positively, unequivically the worse administration this country has ever seen. There have been worse times, but government helped everyone out of the hole. This one keeps throwing more dirt in the hole on top of the people. He got in because he spoke well and convinced (read that as conned) everyone that he was able to fix everything wrong with the country. Hes finding that its an impossible task for the time frame hes working in. He needs to find ways to fix things one at a time, not print out more and more money to hand out. Hes already gotten it so bad now, your grandchildren will be working till their 75 to pay back what hes spending now. He has no comprehension of what really needs to be done about anything, and cant appoint anyone any smarter than him. Im still wondering myself if hes the third antichrist Nostrodamus warned us about.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Ummmm, it was ment to be "tounge-in-cheek". Though, If what you say is true, how is what I'm doing less productive then what everyone else is doing? Bitching online about everything the president is doing accomplishes more then someone not bitching online about everything the president is doing? Besides voting & bitching, what else is everyone doing to change that which can't be changed untill the next vote? I mean besides bitching?

I'm being productive buying up as much as I can for as little as possible costing the banks a fortune on every deal.
Just tryin to do my part. I'm voting for Obama again.

I respect your right to vote however you see fit.

According to latest NBC poll ;

2/3 of Americans now think Obama has put the country on the wrong track
2/3 of Americans now dont approve of Obamas handling of the economy problems
2/3 of Americans dont approve of Obamas handling of foreign policies.
2/3 of Americans dont approve of Obamas handling of a crisis.

those were all in the 60s percentile of non approval. I hope for the rest of our sakes, you remain in the minority at the polls.

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I respect your right to vote however you see fit. According to latest NBC poll ; 2/3 of Americans now think Obama has put the country on the wrong track 2/3 of Americans now dont approve of Obamas handling of the economy problems 2/3 of Americans dont approve of Obamas handling of foreign policies. 2/3 of Americans dont approve of Obamas handling of a crisis. those were all in the 60s percentile of non approval. I hope for the rest of our sakes, you remain in the minority at the polls.

Sounds good to me. I definitely don't want to be in the 60 percentile. I figure I'm probably up in the 10 percent range maybe smaller.

I figure I will be happy with a couple more years of a depressed real estate market. Don't start fixing stuff to fast.
If I can't get people to love America and take care of it then maybe I can just buy it out from under them.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Sounds good to me. I definitely don't want to be in the 60 percentile. I figure I'm probably up in the 10 percent range maybe smaller. I figure I will be happy with a couple more years of a depressed real estate market. Don't start fixing stuff to fast. If I can't get people to love America and take care of it then maybe I can just buy it out from under them.

Ahh, it all makes sense now, you are part of the liberal elite conspiring to break the bank so you can buy it back on the cheap. LOL.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Ummmm, it was ment to be "tounge-in-cheek". Though, If what you say is true, how is what I'm doing less productive then what everyone else is doing? Bitching online about everything the president is doing accomplishes more then someone not bitching online about everything the president is doing? Besides voting & bitching, what else is everyone doing to change that which can't be changed untill the next vote? I mean besides bitching?

Touché... Boondawg, I have always enjoyed your posts, and like what you say. Voting is a small step towards doing something, the next step is harder. I am extremely active in my community and have always wished I had the time to do more. I find more often than not that the loudest voice of negativity comes from the people who contribute the least.

People need to start by getting informed, and taking action.

quote Originally posted by KidO: People need to start by getting informed, and taking action.

looks as they are!

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I for one, am going to vote for the first time ever. Im voting for everyone thats not a democrat. I cant do any worse than whats there now. This is absolutely, positively, unequivically the worse administration this country has ever seen. There have been worse times, but government helped everyone out of the hole. This one keeps throwing more dirt in the hole on top of the people. He got in because he spoke well and convinced (read that as conned) everyone that he was able to fix everything wrong with the country. Hes finding that its an impossible task for the time frame hes working in. He needs to find ways to fix things one at a time, not print out more and more money to hand out. Hes already gotten it so bad now, your grandchildren will be working till their 75 to pay back what hes spending now. He has no comprehension of what really needs to be done about anything, and cant appoint anyone any smarter than him. Im still wondering myself if hes the third antichrist Nostrodamus warned us about.

Have you seriously never voted? Having no voice prior to the election greatly reduces the validity of your opion on the outcome. Rather than vote on party lines, take the time to become informed. Learn about the people and the issues on the ballot. Gather information from both sides and formulate your own opinion.

With the state of the economy what it is now, and truly no long term plan in place, I will have to work until I am 75! I do not agree with all that is going on in politics at this time, and I worry about the future for myself and my children. I was torn with the "bailouts", but it is impossible to know what the outcome would have been if things went the other way. Would failing businesses put more people out of work? Would more failed finacial institutions make even more businesses fail? No one can say for sure, and we can't turn back the clock to try it out. For years, I have watched businesses fail and succeed. I have watched numerous companies fold up shop and move operations over seas, or south of the border in search of cheaper labor. Our consumer society has grown out of hand. The Government can only fix the problems from the top down, and that is expensive. Society as a whole needs to make changes from the bottom up.

quote Originally posted by KidO: Unfortunately, the Tea Party is mostly just more people "bitching".

Sorry, wrong. The Tea Party isn't *bitching*, we're DOING something about the problems. We're trying to get better people elected, people who have values in line with the those the country is founded on. Smaller government, less taxes, less waste, and so on.

By the way, the picture you posted isn't of a Tea Party rally, it was Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally, which was about just that - trying to restore honor to the country by encouraging people to be honorable.

quote Originally posted by KidO: Unfortunately, the Tea Party is mostly just more people "bitching".

So is Obama, in fact that is one constant since he came on the scene.
Did his share again yesterday.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: So is Obama, in fact that is one constant since he came on the scene. Did his share again yesterday.

Youre right, even compared himself to being called a "Dog" by the republicans, yet dogs have Papers, LOL.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Ummmm, it was ment to be "tounge-in-cheek". Though, If what you say is true, how is what I'm doing less productive then what everyone else is doing? Bitching online about everything the president is doing accomplishes more then someone not bitching online about everything the president is doing? Besides voting & bitching, what else is everyone doing to change that which can't be changed untill the next vote? I mean besides bitching?

It was bitching, that led to America declaring their independence from a tyrant English govt. When a people are silent, govt will enact legislation as they choose, assuming all the while, that the constituency approves of how they handle things. Right now, we are very much in debt. Obama would like nothing more than to pass several more very large spending bills, but congress won't follow along. Do you know why?
America has loudly and unceasingly "bitched" about all this deficit spending, and Congress realizes that the will of the people is contrary to what this executive branch wants. They aren't deaf--and they aren't stupid. There's a reason Cap & Trade hasn't come up before congress. There's a reason Immigration Reform hasn't been put on the floor of the House of Representatives. There is a reason Stimulus 2 didn't take place. There is a reason Obama FINALLY quit haranging, threatening and insulting the only group that can create new jobs and announced a big business tax credit this week. We spoke out--He listened.

There's a reason, that in the term of President Johnson, that desegregation took place. The people spoke in the streets, in newspapers, on radio, on tv. The govt and media listened. There's a reason LBJ declined to run for a 2nd term. He heard--he listened.

But go ahead. continue to believe that people adamantly voicing their opinions do nothing untill the next election rolls around, but before you do go back to that unproven philosophy---explain your reply from Doni Hagan's thread:

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Untill the same sort of open, loud, Islamic condemnation begins and continues worldwide, others will believe Islam has at least acquiesced to terrorist and extremist activity--if not actually secretly supporting it.

(Your direct reply to my statement) \/ \/

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I agree that that is the answer. And that is also what I want to see. Widespread Islamic condemnation of all terrorist activity.

You see you contradicting yourself?

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Actions speak louder than words, but Americans have lost their spine. It will have to move beyond the "bitching" to become change. History has shown us that/ The people who lead revolutions are willing to make great sacrifices. The leaders of today are not much more than political fame seekers. The followers of today simply choose sides and follow the direction their media providers give them.

KidO, some don't even care enough to do that much.

Some do, and will. Time will tell, for sure. I personally am still optimistic things can be fixed and this nose dive can be corrected before someone says Eject a second or third time.

Wait for todays latest speeches from Obamasan from Cleveland today. Im sure hes gonna spout more BS about the zillion people hes getting jobs for. Ill even lay money on comments on pushing the high speed rail from Cleveland to Cinncinatti that no one in the state wants except the governor. Its going to put at least 20 more unemployed people back to work

You folks want to know what will be REALLY fun? If the Republicans get control of the House (and maybe even the Senate), and Obama becomes a lame duck with 2 years to go because he won't be able to push *any* of his socialist crap through, it will be fun to watch him flail away and b1tch. Hell, maybe even the press will turn on him. Gawd, that'll be fun to watch.

November might just be sweeeet.

I didn't vote for him, in fact I didn't even vote at all.

Before you go saying anything let me first tell you why, because I don't believe in voting if I don't believe in who I have to vote for. Let's do an example: Saddam Hussein and Hitler are running for president. Saddam is democrat and Hitler is the republican, so now who do you vote for? Do you vote? I'm just pointing out that when I only have two people to REALLY vote for, and they both completely suck, there is no reason to vote. I think the whole voting systems needs to be revamped and the political parties completely done away with.

quote Originally posted by dn69141: I think the whole voting systems needs to be revamped and the political parties completely done away with.

So, then, without parties, Hussein still runs against Hitler, but without a party affiliation?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So, then, without parties, Hussein still runs against Hitler, but without a party affiliation?

I think it would be a more fair situation. Maybe we wouldn't just have TWO people to actually vote for. Since there are die hard republicans and die hard democrats that could care less who is in the hot seat and vote blindly reguardless. Not only vote blindly but give them their money to support them. Without party affiliations, they would have a harder time I think.

It would most likely add a 3rd candidate to vote for! Most likely Kim Jong II I would guess.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You folks want to know what will be REALLY fun? If the Republicans get control of the House (and maybe even the Senate), and Obama becomes a lame duck with 2 years to go because he won't be able to push *any* of his socialist crap through, it will be fun to watch him flail away and b1tch. Hell, maybe even the press will turn on him. Gawd, that'll be fun to watch. November might just be sweeeet.

I am not at all enthusiastic about that prospect. Sure, I want the GOP to win to stem the blood letting of cash. But no matter what legislation they propose, it will be killed in commity, then if it gets to the floor for a vote it will be killed on the desk of the President. In other words, we have 2 long years of stagnation ahead of us.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I have never stated weather I voted for him or not, nor have I ever spoke out in favor or against anything he has done. I like to see which end of the rope history puts someone before I choose sides. Then I just forget about all the bad things and highlight the good things. Hell, even Nixon came out smelling like roses, once enough time had past. History eventually forgives everyone. What don't kill us makes us stronger.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Well at least we know where you "stand". Sounds like you sittin on the side in a lazyboy watching the show!

quote Originally posted by boondawg: Ummmm, it was ment to be "tounge-in-cheek". Though, If what you say is true, how is what I'm doing less productive then what everyone else is doing? Bitching online about everything the president is doing accomplishes more then someone not bitching online about everything the president is doing? Besides voting & bitching, what else is everyone doing to change that which can't be changed untill the next vote? I mean besides bitching?

quote Originally posted by maryjane: But go ahead. continue to believe that people adamantly voicing their opinions do nothing untill the next election rolls around, but before you do go back to that unproven philosophy---explain your reply from Doni Hagan's thread:

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Untill the same sort of open, loud, Islamic condemnation begins and continues worldwide, others will believe Islam has at least acquiesced to terrorist and extremist activity--if not actually secretly supporting it.

quote Originally posted by boondawg: I agree that that is the answer. And that is also what I want to see. Widespread Islamic condemnation of all terrorist activity.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: You see you contradicting yourself?

I do not.
I was speaking about Pokeyfieros HYPOTHETICAL assumpition that I was "sittin on the side in a lazyboy watching the show".
I made a joke about how relating to how "transitory" this all is, and all of the bitching really don't mater, in relation to continuing going over again & again the bitching about birth certifigates, secretly islamic, hates america, etc., etc., etc.
I then asked, In that respect, what is the difference being made about those things between bitching & not bitching at all.
The whole post was ment to take a stab at how silly it all is when if it is as bad as everyone says it is, it will all be fixed in a very shot time, in accordence with the law, the exact reason the law was PUT there.

The meetings our forefathers had was a little different then rehashing the presidents birth certifficate on the internet.

In relation to my statement of "Widespread Islamic condemnation of all terrorist activity" being in contradiction with the above, well, that's just a case of apples & oranges.
That is about people of a certain religion standing up and condemming to the world, mass murderers who claim to be commanded by that very religion to mass murder innocents.
Not bitching about weather this president uses a teleprompter more the other presidents.
Apples & oranges.

In short, I guess I was saying that weather sitting in a chair watching, or bitching on the internet, the President will be the President until the people vote him out.
Which was only a personal observation of the political process.

And believe me, it wasn't "shocking" enough for someone to assume where I "stand".
Or someone else stating as fact that I believe that "people adamantly voicing their opinions do nothing".

Neither is fact, only opinions based on personal assumtions.

I say no blood, no foul.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I am not at all enthusiastic about that prospect. Sure, I want the GOP to win to stem the blood letting of cash. But no matter what legislation they propose, it will be killed in commity, then if it gets to the floor for a vote it will be killed on the desk of the President.

What I've read is that Republicans probably won't be able to pass legislation, let alone repeal any, but they can de-fund monstrosities like Obamacare. That might be enough to get us through until we can have a *real* government.

quote In other words, we have 2 long years of stagnation ahead of us.

Which would be a good thing, especially when compared to the last 2 years. I'd bet that just having Republicans running the show rather than Democrats will give business more certainty, which could very well help the economy to recover at least somewhat.

quote Let's do an example: Saddam Hussein and Hitler are running for president. Saddam is democrat and Hitler is the republican, so now who do you vote for? Do you vote?

In this case you vote for Saddam Hussein as he is the lesser of two evils.

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: Not too sure if your stimulus dollars amounted to the same thing, but up here in Canada it meant a bunch of make work projects where you would see half a dozen union turds standing idle, leaning on their shovels, while maybe one person did some meanial task such as patching a pothole. They were make work projects, plain and simple. And it made my blood boil everytime I saw one of these "stimulus" projects at work. Maybe it is because I am a simple conservative and don't understand the fine ways of liberal economics, but I jsut can't see how one can spend ones way out of debt and a possible recession through ill thought out projects like these.

Waitaminute.. our stimulus money is funding Canadian projects as well? No wonder its not working to estimated effect, we are paying for TWO COUNTRIES.

quote Originally posted by dn69141: I have to correct this. It will put 20 more unemployed people with degrees back to work that will be paid MUCH more than they are worth. It will create another 300 jobs that pay barely above minimum wage for hard labor which the rest of the 1,000 unemployed "middle class" people with degrees won't take.

It will only put some engineers and conductors on the job. The tracks and stations they want to use are already there....been there for 50 years. The only thing needed new is the actual trains. They call it ' hi speed rail ' so people think it will be like Europe and Japans bullet trains. Fact is, and they even state it, these will only be 65-70 mph. These tracks run parallel to I-71 where cars are traveling 75 mph anyway. All they need is to find someplace with some used locomotives and passenger cars they want to sell cheap. The money theyve already spend for feasability studies would have already paid for those trains and the whole thing would be moot.

So it's just like Amtrak? HAHAHA

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Yup, exactly. And how did Amtrak passenger trains work out......?

quote Originally posted by dn69141: I have to correct this. It will put 20 more unemployed people with degrees back to work that will be paid MUCH more than they are worth. It will create another 300 jobs that pay barely above minimum wage for hard labor which the rest of the 1,000 unemployed "middle class" people with degrees won't take.

The real problem with "stimulus jobs" is that we're talking about temporary jobs, paid for with borrowed money. If the rail line paid for itself *and* the cost of construction, it would be worth it. But we're talking jobs that will go away, and we still owe the money to China, Japan, and so on.

We could look at it another way - if they used stimulus money to build a rail car factory that would pay for itself and the jobs out of the profits of selling rail cars (to the private sector, otherwise it's the government moving money from one pocket to another), then that would be stimulus money that actually creates something.

Actually that industry is hurting really bad right now. I know because that's what I work in. I work for a rail car repair shop..... people aren't buying and most are trying not to fix anything either.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I do not. I was speaking about Pokeyfieros HYPOTHETICAL assumpition that I was "sittin on the side in a lazyboy watching the show". I made a joke about how relating to how "transitory" this all is, and all of the bitching really don't mater, in relation to continuing going over again & again the bitching about birth certifigates, secretly islamic, hates america, etc., etc., etc. I then asked, In that respect, what is the difference being made about those things between bitching & not bitching at all. The whole post was ment to take a stab at how silly it all is when if it is as bad as everyone says it is, it will all be fixed in a very shot time, in accordence with the law, the exact reason the law was PUT there. The meetings our forefathers had was a little different then rehashing the presidents birth certifficate on the internet. In relation to my statement of "Widespread Islamic condemnation of all terrorist activity" being in contradiction with the above, well, that's just a case of apples & oranges. That is about people of a certain religion standing up and condemming to the world, mass murderers who claim to be commanded by that very religion to mass murder innocents. Not bitching about weather this president uses a teleprompter more the other presidents. Apples & oranges. In short, I guess I was saying that weather sitting in a chair watching, or bitching on the internet, the President will be the President until the people vote him out. Which was only a personal observation of the political process. And believe me, it wasn't "shocking" enough for someone to assume where I "stand". Or someone else stating as fact that I believe that "people adamantly voicing their opinions do nothing". Neither is fact, only opinions based on personal assumtions. I say no blood, no foul.

This goes back to perceptions as discussed in the NY Mosque thread. People amd politicians project a personal image, and that results in a perception by others, based on the image that person projected. In any near void, something will fill it based on even the little info available, Acceptance is almost always a given, in the abscence of dissent and opposition.

In regards to the meeting our forefathers had, there is NO difference. The writers of the Declaration didn't just get together on a whim one day and declare Independence. That, was preceeded by years of pettion to the Colonial Governors, townhall meetings, editorials, complaints to the Crown, tavern discussions (often very heated) , streetcorner meetings, and every other venue that has now culminated to what we now have in the internet. And, it was usually the same old issues hashed and rehashed again--over and over, until enough Tories switched sides, and enough support was gathered to make the Declaration viable.

It is extremely difficult to change or repeal legislation once it is enacted and signed into law--and not even a sure thing when it comes to just de-funding said legislation. It is much more easy to prevent the initial passing of the legislation to begin with by public outcry by any media present or available. The final passage of Obamacare, is but a small version of what was originally planned and envisioned, and the final watered down version barely passed as it was. Just sitting around and waiting for the electoral process to take place every 2 or 4 years is not what our country was founded upon, how it works, or a very effecient way to do things.

Rehashing the birth certificat thing? The last poll I saw, said more than 55% of the polled 'likely to vote' southern voters did not believe the presented birth certificate is legit. 1976 was the last year a Democratic candidate won a majority of the southern electoral votes, and since 1956, every president but one has had to win the bulk of Southern electoral votes to reach the White House or to be re-elected. The birt certificate issue is not irrelevant, and as I told Neptune and Wolfhound, it's immaterial whether it's a fake or not--it's the fact that it is an issue, and will continue to be so unless and untill Obama addresses it fully once and for all. He does not enjoy the populatity he did in '08, and has lost a LOT of support from his own side. Every issue is important and none will be allowed to drop off the radar.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: This goes back to perceptions as discussed in the NY Mosque thread. People amd politicians project a personal image, and that results in a perception by others, based on the image that person projected. In any near void, something will fill it based on even the little info available, Acceptance is almost always a given, in the abscence of dissent and opposition. In regards to the meeting our forefathers had, there is NO difference. The writers of the Declaration didn't just get together on a whim one day and declare Independence. That, was preceeded by years of pettion to the Colonial Governors, townhall meetings, editorials, complaints to the Crown, tavern discussions (often very heated) , streetcorner meetings, and every other venue that has now culminated to what we now have in the internet. And, it was usually the same old issues hashed and rehashed again--over and over, until enough Tories switched sides, and enough support was gathered to make the Declaration viable. It is extremely difficult to change or repeal legislation once it is enacted and signed into law--and not even a sure thing when it comes to just de-funding said legislation. It is much more easy to prevent the initial passing of the legislation to begin with by public outcry by any media present or available. The final passage of Obamacare, is but a small version of what was originally planned and envisioned, and the final watered down version barely passed as it was. Just sitting around and waiting for the electoral process to take place every 2 or 4 years is not what our country was founded upon, how it works, or a very effecient way to do things. Rehashing the birth certificat thing? The last poll I saw, said more than 55% of the polled 'likely to vote' southern voters did not believe the presented birth certificate is legit. 1976 was the last year a Democratic candidate won a majority of the southern electoral votes, and since 1956, every president but one has had to win the bulk of Southern electoral votes to reach the White House or to be re-elected. The birt certificate issue is not irrelevant, and as I told Neptune and Wolfhound, it's immaterial whether it's a fake or not--it's the fact that it is an issue, and will continue to be so unless and untill Obama addresses it fully once and for all. He does not enjoy the populatity he did in '08, and has lost a LOT of support from his own side. Every issue is important and none will be allowed to drop off the radar.

All that's pretty hard to argue with (from my armchair).
And it makes perfect sense.

I acquiesce.

Wow. Obama can't even fill all the seats any more...

Tri-C students recruited to fill the seats for Obama's appearance

PARMA, Ohio – With less than an hour before President Obama's scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College's Western Campus.
So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats.
Student Jennifer Rahal, of Parma Heights, whose class was canceled today, was working on her art work in the coffee shop in the basement of the building when the call went out for more guests.
After dropping off their stuff at a bag check, the newly invited guests cleared security and filed into the gym.

I went to Washington D.C. for vacation at the end of July. The only place I have always wanted to see and didn't is the White House. Just because that is where he resides, I figure some other time maybe I'll get to see it. If not, then oh well, but not seeing it is better than seeing it when he lives there.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Wow. Obama can't even fill all the seats any more... Tri-C students recruited to fill the seats for Obama's appearance PARMA, Ohio – With less than an hour before President Obama's scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College's Western Campus. So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats. Student Jennifer Rahal, of Parma Heights, whose class was canceled today, was working on her art work in the coffee shop in the basement of the building when the call went out for more guests. After dropping off their stuff at a bag check, the newly invited guests cleared security and filed into the gym.

They used to do that in the USAF when a Colonel or General would have a retirement ceremony. We called it "Rent-a-Crowd".

When Pres. Clinton came to Elmendorf while I was there, they asked for volunteers from our squadron, and needed a certain number of volunteers. I don't remember how many they needed, but I do remember they could not get enough and had to order some people to go. (Though to be fair, Clinton wasn't exactly a popular president with the military, and attending his gathering meant a pressed uniform and shined boots - a lot to ask for flight line pukes.)

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Wow. Obama can't even fill all the seats any more... Tri-C students recruited to fill the seats for Obama's appearance PARMA, Ohio – With less than an hour before President Obama's scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College's Western Campus. So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats. Student Jennifer Rahal, of Parma Heights, whose class was canceled today, was working on her art work in the coffee shop in the basement of the building when the call went out for more guests. After dropping off their stuff at a bag check, the newly invited guests cleared security and filed into the gym.

When is he coming to the Bay Area? Still voting for the other guy but I could use some extra cash.

Those on federal assistance should be required to go...

(let me clarify..... those who are able to get a job, but choose not to)

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Wow. Obama can't even fill all the seats any more... Tri-C students recruited to fill the seats for Obama's appearance PARMA, Ohio – With less than an hour before President Obama's scheduled speech, 75 seats remained empty in the recreation center at Cuyahoga Community College's Western Campus. So organizers went around campus and recruited more students to fill the seats. Student Jennifer Rahal, of Parma Heights, whose class was canceled today, was working on her art work in the coffee shop in the basement of the building when the call went out for more guests. After dropping off their stuff at a bag check, the newly invited guests cleared security and filed into the gym.

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They couldnt even pay me to see him in person. I dont know how much they got, but its not enough unless I could buy a car or house with it.