It's a very, very, very sick world.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-b...08/29/INF21F2Q9H.DTL

Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy's father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them," military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. "The soldiers didn't understand."


All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, "Pashtun Sexuality," startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked - and repulsed.

For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.

"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."

Baghlan province is in the northeast, but Afghans say pedophilia is most prevalent among Pashtun men in the south. The Pashtun are Afghanistan's most important tribe. For centuries, the nation's leaders have been Pashtun.

President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun, from a village near Kandahar, and he has six brothers. So the natural question arises: Has anyone in the Karzai family been bacha baz? Two Afghans with close connections to the Karzai family told me they know that at least one family member and perhaps two were bacha baz. Afraid of retribution, both declined to be identified and would not be more specific for publication.

As for Karzai, an American who worked in and around his palace in an official capacity for many months told me that homosexual behavior "was rampant" among "soldiers and guys on the security detail. They talked about boys all the time."

He added, "I didn't see Karzai with anyone. He was in his palace most of the time." He, too, declined to be identified.

In Kandahar, population about 500,000, and other towns, dance parties are a popular, often weekly, pastime. Young boys dress up as girls, wearing makeup and bells on their feet, and dance for a dozen or more leering middle-aged men who throw money at them and then take them home. A recent State Department report called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."

So, why are American and NATO forces fighting and dying to defend tens of thousands of proud pedophiles, certainly more per capita than any other place on Earth? And how did Afghanistan become the pedophilia capital of Asia?

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."

Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?"

That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.

Addressing the loathsome mistreatment of Afghan women remains a primary goal for coalition governments, as it should be.

But what about the boys, thousands upon thousands of little boys who are victims of serial rape over many years, destroying their lives - and Afghan society.

"There's no issue more horrifying and more deserving of our attention than this," Cardinalli said. "I'm continually haunted by what I saw."

As one boy, in tow of a man he called "my lord," told the Reuters reporter: "Once I grow up, I will be an owner, and I will have my own boys."
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"Friends don't let their friends drive stock."

I thought this subject came up last year and was shown to be bogus, created just to anger Americans? Sort of like the '8 year old girl wedding party' thing?

The date on it says, Aug 29th 2010.

lol - yes - heard this before
Man Love Thursdays
was never sure if this is for real or not - but I most certainly beleive it.

restrictions placed upon sex. same fuel which gets priests dingling boys. and, of course - prison sex.....

It seems to be mostly true.
"They are "dancing boys", much like the dancing girls other cultures have as entertainmet.
Not striptease, just suggestive.
But some are sold to wealty men as bragging rights, and all seem to know what the bragging is about...

So yeah.
It made me sick to research it.

I know different cutures have different ways, but it is like cutting off the hands of theives.
I know it has been their way for centuries, but I find it barbaric & repulsive.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: It seems to be mostly true. "They are "dancing boys", much like the dancing girls other cultures have as entertainmet. Not striptease, just suggestive. But some are sold to wealty men as bragging rights, and all seem to know what the bragging is about... So yeah. It made me sick to research it. I know different cutures have different ways, but it is like cutting off the hands of theives. I know it has been their way for centuries, but I find it barbaric & repulsive.

Agree with Boonie here 100%... it was completely normal, for hundreds of years, for Japanese men to take younger boys to bed.. and elsewhere in the worl, as well. That does not make it repulse me any less.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

Exactly! This is also the case throughout much of the Arab (and, I presume, Persian) world. I have a good freind who has provided photographs for several books on the middle east, and he reports that it is common to see young men in their late teens and twenties walking in public together, hand in hand. These relationships usually last until one of the pair is married (to a woman). Young Arabs that I have known have guardedly agree that this is a fairly common practice, but they all strenuously insist that this behavior is NOT homosexual. WTF???

Sexuality is a HUGE component of the human psyche, and if "natural" expressions of sexuality are repressed they will find other, sometimes unhealthy, outlets.

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The sad part is that this (the pedophilia) is apparently not an aberration for them. It's part of their freakin' value system.

Is it still too late to nuke the whole f'n place?

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: The sad part is that this (the pedophilia) is apparently not an aberration for them. It's part of their freakin' value system. Is it still too late to nuke the whole f'n place?

Please don't anyone take this the wrong way.. i DO agree its horrible, but i bet they feel the same about us and how we treat 'our' females.

What did mohomid teach about this? Surely he mush have some teaching concerning "sex"?

quote Originally posted by User00013170: i DO agree its horrible, but i bet they feel the same about us and how we treat 'our' females.

Well said.

Way back in the '50s when I was growing up I remember being told by my mother (and others) that one way in which the U.S. was superior to the Soviet Union (and Communism in general) was that American women didn't "have to work" and could be stay-at-home housewives ... just like my own college-educated mom. Of course, back then just about the only professional careers regularly available to women were teaching and nursing.

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I thought this was common knowledge.

This isn't a secret; it's a very popular thing in many countries.

Books, autobiographies, and movies have all been written with themes incorporating this.

I wonder what Mohammad's position is on poo piracy.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: I thought this was common knowledge. This isn't a secret; it's a very popular thing in many countries. Books, autobiographies, and movies have all been written with themes incorporating this.

Its news to some of us, but i don't watch many movies, and tend not to have a desire to learn the intricacies of other cultures. ( just never have found it all that interesting, we have enough interesting things happening here at home )

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Its news to some of us, but i don't watch many movies, and tend not to have a desire to learn the intricacies of other cultures. ( just never have found it all that interesting, we have enough interesting things happening here at home )

Yeah I've always been enthralled in other cultures.

Sorry my post came off as arrogant. I realize I have different interests than others.

Kite-Runner was a good book along with A Thousand Splended Suns. Both are fiction but give a good account of Afgan life, especially the latter which explores the life of women and life durring communist (russian) rule and after when the taliban came. Women were more respected under communism, since they required all people to work, but when the Taliban came they were very abusive, not only with the women but also the complete population. The author, cant remember his name, is an Afgan and also a medical doctor.

Good books.

quote Originally posted by RotrexFiero: Kite-Runner was a good book along with A Thousand Splended Suns. Both are fiction but give a good account of Afgan life, especially the latter which explores the life of women and life durring communist (russian) rule and after when the taliban came. Women were more respected under communism, since they required all people to work, but when the Taliban came they were very abusive, not only with the women but also the complete population. The author, cant remember his name, is an Afgan and also a medical doctor. Good books.

I've read Kite Runner, but I haven't gotten around to A Thousand Splendid Suns. I've wanted to read it, though.

Kite Runner definitely incorporates this. And if you don't like reading, there is a movie that I thought was pretty good.

It didn't run as deep as the book but it was still a powerful movie.

Aint multi-culturalism grand ???.........

Now, Ya'all....dont forget to respect the shira law and traditions of our new immigrants and make them feel at home.............

/sarcasm.

We run into this all the time over here. It's very common. Sometimes the bad guys will pick the wrong "chai boy," as we call them, and the family will kill the bad guy for us! It's another thing when you see an old trucker, driving around with a young boy. We try to intervene and call "kidnapping" but a lot of the time, the parent's understand and let it go...it's a mind effer, but it happens. We had to read a big write up on homosexuality in Afghanistan culture and become more aware of that part of their culture. It's sick, but sadly, morally justified it seems.

quote Originally posted by ace35: We run into this all the time over here. It's very common. Sometimes the bad guys will pick the wrong "chai boy," as we call them, and the family will kill the bad guy for us! It's another thing when you see an old trucker, driving around with a young boy. We try to intervene and call "kidnapping" but a lot of the time, the parent's understand and let it go...it's a mind effer, but it happens. We had to read a big write up on homosexuality in Afghanistan culture and become more aware of that part of their culture. It's sick, but sadly, morally justified it seems.

That is true. I absolutely hate these things and reguardless of beliefs or what their morals are, if I had the power I would change it, peacfully (if they would) or forcefully with a fist so hard they wouldn't dare think about it ever again.

Reguardless, what is moral for us is sometimes or often unmoral for them. Vise versa for us here in America. If you ask an 11 year old boy if he wants a 42 year old man destroying him I'm pretty sure he will say no.

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This particular pedophilia practice is common in many parts of the Middle East. I saw some pretty disgusting things during a six month TDY trip to Libya just before and after Khadaffy Duck took over. In some circles--bad pun intended--it is call a "jerkle circ." (Spoonerism used to protect the innocent) and that was probably the least offensive thing I saw. I left with total disdain for them.

I also saw some people thumb their noses at their religious teaching--getting stoned on the plane ride from Rome to Tripoli, patronizing cathouses in Europe to lust after blonde babes, "forgetting" to pray, etc. Not much different from some so-called devout Christians.

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kinda makes it easy to see why they are so willing to blow themselves up, eh?

but, goes to show how religous sexual restrictions cause nothing BUTT trouble.
same exact reason alter boys get dingled.
they just got it to a much worse degree.

so, just for more fun - is it all boys getting there poop pushed, or just the ones from poor families? are they compensated in any way?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: So, why are American and NATO forces fighting and dying to defend tens of thousands of proud pedophiles, certainly more per capita than any other place on Earth?

titanium and other precious metals

http://www.nytimes.com/2010...14minerals.html?_r=1

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I wonder what Mohammad's position is on poo piracy.

Turd Burgling?

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Please don't anyone take this the wrong way.. i DO agree its horrible, but i bet they feel the same about us and how we treat 'our' females.

Actually id be willing to bet "its how we allow our females to treat us" (meaning men) ( since we in western society treat women as equals)

Oh, but don't judge Islam until you know everything there is to know about it.

While we are at it, all gays are born gay, no one would choose to be gay.

Afghanistan is a mess. In so many, well, all ways.

The soviets bankrupted themselves conquering it, and the US did the same thing.

Congrats, you are now the proud owner of a country that lists as a top export opium. Also included is a spacious mountain region that contains nothing, and a population that by and large can't read.

So, by definition, democracy really won't be successful because you can't have an informed population.

Oh, and because the men put the pussy on a pedestal, they take boys.

All this for the bargain price of...how may billions? Payable per month for, shall I say, ever?

quote Originally posted by Gridlock: Afghanistan is a mess. In so many, well, all ways. The soviets bankrupted themselves conquering it, and the US did the same thing. Congrats, you are now the proud owner of a country that lists as a top export opium. Also included is a spacious mountain region that contains nothing, and a population that by and large can't read. So, by definition, democracy really won't be successful because you can't have an informed population. Oh, and because the men put the pussy on a pedestal, they take boys. All this for the bargain price of...how may billions? Payable per month for, shall I say, ever?

That reads like poetry.

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quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Oh, but don't judge Islam until you know everything there is to know about it. While we are at it, all gays are born gay, no one would choose to be gay.

I think their penchant for pediphilia is more cultural than religious. Despite that, their religion is intertwined in their culture. I am sure most people in the culture don't approve of pedophilia. There were many things that frustrated me about the culture but some things were not based on religious beliefs. Other than certain areas of Vietnam, I have never seen a dirtier country than Libya. Despite this, Libyan homes were immaculate but the outdoors was a garbage pit. These things aren't based on religion.

I wonder, like others here, if Islam condones the practice? Personally I doubt it.