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How pathetic does this make us look? by avengador1
Started on: 07-31-2010 11:13 AM
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Report this Post07-31-2010 11:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for avengador1Send a Private Message to avengador1Direct Link to This Post
White House: Don't Post More Secret War Papers
http://www.newsmax.com/News...al&promo_code=A63B-1
 
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The White House is imploring the website Wikileaks not to post any more classified documents about the Afghanistan war, saying U.S. national security and Afghan lives are at risk.

Press secretary Robert Gibbs says the leak of some 90,000 secret military documents already has jeopardized the lives of Afghans working with the U.S. and its war allies. Gibbs says the Taliban has declared it will comb the documents for the names of people who have cooperated with international forces in Afghanistan.

Interviewed on NBC's "Today" show, Gibbs said the release of another 15,000 documents reportedly still held by Wikileaks would do more damage. Gibbs says the White House "can do nothing but implore the person who has the documents not to post any more."


Just how weak is our government if they can't stop this on their own?

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Report this Post07-31-2010 11:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
My thoughts on the issue can be summed up in one word: Treason.
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I'm guessing the pages weren't mostly blocked out or missing, like when they finally are or are not released through The Freedom Of Information Act.
Shielding both the innocent & the guilty under the precept of "sensitive information".

It is a thin line between what we think we should know and what someone else thinks we should know.

Remember the "Iran-contra" paperwork?
Should we have known?

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Report this Post07-31-2010 11:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 1988holleyformulaSend a Private Message to 1988holleyformulaDirect Link to This Post
[sarcasm]The lives of our soldiers fighting to keep us free from terroristic threats aren't as important as the average American's right to know how the American military operates though.[/sarcasm]
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Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

[sarcasm]The lives of our soldiers fighting to keep us free from terroristic threats aren't as important as the average American's right to know how the American military operates though.[/sarcasm]


+ for you, Sir.
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Originally posted by Flamberge:


+ for you, Sir.


Although it probibly could have been stated more politely in the form of "I think................", or "Do you think...............".
And for the record, I do not dissagree.

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Originally posted by Blacktree:

My thoughts on the issue can be summed up in one word: Treason.


Right, and you cant really stop it if someone really wants too. But at least it wasn't really critical data that was released ( so far )
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Report this Post07-31-2010 01:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
Typical leftist "ask nicely" plan.
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Report this Post07-31-2010 02:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gokart MozartClick Here to visit Gokart Mozart's HomePageSend a Private Message to Gokart MozartDirect Link to This Post
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


"I fear the newspapers more than a hundred thousand bayonets."
— Napoleon Bonaparte
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Report this Post07-31-2010 02:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


"I fear the newspapers more than a hundred thousand bayonets."
— Napoleon Bonaparte


Freedom of speech isn't absolute. Revealing state secrets and military information could be considered treason, if done by an American citizen.

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Report this Post07-31-2010 03:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for htexans1Send a Private Message to htexans1Direct Link to This Post
They could stop this if they [Our Gov't] had a backbone.

They are based in Iceland. Iceland has no military. We in the US are responsible to defend Iceland through treaty...

We could simply talk to the Government of Iceland and get some satisfaction through them "To stop the leaks."
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Report this Post07-31-2010 03:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
I'm pretty sure freedom of speech does not cover espionage. Yes, leaking sensitive documents is espionage.

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Originally posted by fierobear:

Typical leftist "ask nicely" plan.



Nuke Iceland?
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Originally posted by htexans1:

They could stop this if they [Our Gov't] had a backbone.

They are based in Iceland. Iceland has no military. We in the US are responsible to defend Iceland through treaty...

We could simply talk to the Government of Iceland and get some satisfaction through them "To stop the leaks."


What has Iceland have to do with anything, because they host a site? Could be anywhere for that matter.

Some guy in the U.S. military secretly copied and posted the info, could have done it on any site really.
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Report this Post07-31-2010 06:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by newf: Some guy in the U.S. military secretly copied and posted the info, could have done it on any site really.

Exactly. The person leaking these documents is a US citizen. And according to the definition set forth in the US Constitution, if that activity directly benefits one of America's enemies, then it is treasonous.
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Report this Post07-31-2010 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for newfSend a Private Message to newfDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Blacktree:

Exactly. The person leaking these documents is a US citizen. And according to the definition set forth in the US Constitution, if that activity directly benefits one of America's enemies, then it is treasonous.


Yup, should send him out alone with a slingshot looking for Taliban in Afghanistan.

And it's not that I agree with Wikileaks publishing sensitive material but I really don't hink you'll stop that sort of thing anymore.
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Report this Post07-31-2010 06:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for htexans1Send a Private Message to htexans1Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by newf:


What has Iceland have to do with anything, because they host a site? Could be anywhere for that matter.

Some guy in the U.S. military secretly copied and posted the info, could have done it on any site really.


Iceland is the base of operations for Wikileaks. Their main systems/servers are hosted there. It could help to at least stop them for 5 minutes. lol
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Report this Post07-31-2010 08:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for avengador1Send a Private Message to avengador1Direct Link to This Post
 
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But at least it wasn't really critical data that was released ( so far )


I hope that gives comfort to all of those who have cooperated with international forces when the Taliban hunts them down.

 
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Gibbs says the Taliban has declared it will comb the documents for the names of people who have cooperated with international forces in Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by fierobear:


Freedom of speech isn't absolute. Revealing state secrets and military information could be considered treason, if done by an American citizen.


While true, there is a LONG-LONG history of hiding criminal actions and private profiteering behind the veil of "state secrets". Secrecy and the ability to act without scrutiny is the #1 technique of tyrants the world over, thru all of history.
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Originally posted by Blacktree:

My thoughts on the issue can be summed up in one word: Treason.



Its not treason if our goverment A.K.A peer medeators arnt willing to put there foot down on it.

I think the USA is in the process of losing its balls. What happend to the days of you piss us off you get stepped on.
Now its just a please stop?

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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
I think the USA is in the process of losing its balls. What happend to the days of you piss us off you get stepped on.
Now its just a please stop?



Leftists are in power. Until that changes, we're in danger.

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