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Report this Post07-27-2010 03:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for twofatguysSend a Private Message to twofatguysDirect Link to This Post
So are even the Canadians saying we are screwed now, is that what is going on eh?

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Report this Post07-27-2010 03:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
It reads like it's a new draft.
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Originally posted by fierobear:

It reads like it's a new draft.


It is....Just re-introduced.
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Report this Post07-27-2010 03:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for texasfieroSend a Private Message to texasfieroDirect Link to This Post
 
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Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?


November 11, 2008
Q:Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?
I read a quote from Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia which stated that Obama wants to set up a civilian national security force that was similar to the "Gestapo" or the Nazi Brownshirts.

What is the truth behind Obama's statements that he wants to create a "civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as the military]"?

A:This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama's call for doubling the Peace Corps, creating volunteer networks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.
This question stems from an interview that Republican Rep. Broun of Georgia gave to The Associated Press Nov. 10. The story carried a headline, "Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship." It said that Broun "fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship." And it quoted him this way:

Rep. Paul Broun, Nov. 10: It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's [Obama's] the one who proposed this national security force. ... That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did.

Similar claims have been circulating in right-leaning blogs and conservative Web sites ever since July, when Obama made a single reference to a "civilian national security force" in a campaign speech in Colorado. Obama's detractors make much of his expansive (and exaggerated) description of such a force as being "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the U.S. military. They also ignore the context.

Obama was not talking about a "security force" with guns or police powers. He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps, which is the volunteer initiative launched by the Bush administration after the attacks of 9/11, and about increasing the number of trained Foreign Service officers who populate U.S. embassies overseas.

Here is the relevant portion of what Obama actually said, with the sentences quoted selectively by Broun and others in bold.

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.

We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

Does that sound like a force that could kick down your door in the middle of the night and haul you off to a Gulag or concentration camp? You decide.

-Brooks Jackson

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Report this Post07-27-2010 03:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for starlightcoupeSend a Private Message to starlightcoupeDirect Link to This Post
Yeah, take a look at some of the jack booted Storm Troopers on AmeriCorps website: http://www.americorps.gov/
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Report this Post07-27-2010 04:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
 
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Yeah, take a look at some of the jack booted Storm Troopers on AmeriCorps website: http://www.americorps.gov/


No jackbooted thugs (yet), but there was one proposal to use AmeriCorps to be news reporters (friendly to the government, of course).

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Report this Post07-27-2010 04:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post

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This is interesting. Note the bolded text. Civilians doing service that is related to homeland security?

SEC. 102. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) Obligation for Service- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this title unless exempted under the provisions of this title.

(b) Forms of National Service- The national service obligation under this title shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and service related to homeland security.
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Report this Post07-27-2010 04:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero STSSend a Private Message to Fiero STSDirect Link to This Post
I like the part where everything is determined by the president, not congress.
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Report this Post07-27-2010 04:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for User00013170Send a Private Message to User00013170Direct Link to This Post
Haven't we seen this already?
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Report this Post07-27-2010 10:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
 
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Haven't we seen this already?


Yup.

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Report this Post07-28-2010 12:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
I'm just waitin' for them to announce the 1st Five Year Plan, a a four year plan, or a Great Leap Forward plan.
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Report this Post07-28-2010 12:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Great Leap Forward


It's called "hope and change". But it's the same plan.

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It's called "hope and change". But it's the same plan.


A socialist by any other name is still a socialist eh?
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