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Jeb Bush says we need a better welcome for our nation's legal immigrants by avengador1
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http://www.washingtonpost.c...010070204359_pf.html
 
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On our national birthday, and amid an angry debate about immigration, Americans should reflect on the lessons of our shared immigrant past. We must recall that the challenges facing our nation today were felt as far back as the Founders' time. Immigrant assimilation has always been slow and contentious, with progress measured not in years but in decades. Yet there are steps communities and government should take to form a more cohesive, successful union.

Consider what one leader wrote in 1753: "Few of their children in the country learn English. The signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages. . . . Unless the stream of their importation could be turned . . . they will soon so outnumber us that we will not preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious." Thus Ben Franklin referred to German Americans, still the largest ethnic group in America. A century later, Midwestern cities such as Cincinnati and St. Louis were mostly German-speaking. So worried were their native-born neighbors that Iowa outlawed speaking German in public and even in private conversation.

Proponents and opponents of immigration agree on one thing: Learning English is crucial to success and assimilation. Yet learning a language as an adult is hard, so first-generation immigrants often use their native tongue. Historically, English has dominated by the second or third generation in all immigrant groups. Most recent immigrants recognize that they need to learn English, and about 90 percent of the second generation speak English, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. Research by sociologists Claude Fischer and Michael Hout published in 2008 suggests that English acquisition among immigrants today is faster than in previous waves.

Residential integration of immigrants is even more gradual. Half a century ago, sociologist Stanley Lieberson showed that most immigrants lived in segregated enclaves, "Little Italy" or "Chinatown," for several generations. This segregation reflected discrimination by natives and the natural desire of "strangers in a strange land" to live among familiar faces with familiar customs. Only with suburbanization, encouraged by government policy in the 1950s and 1960s, did the children and grandchildren of the immigrants of the 1890s and 1900s exit those enclaves. That many of today's immigrants live in ethnic enclaves is thus entirely normal and reflects no ominous aim to separate themselves from the wider American community.

Immigrant intermarriage, then and now, also demonstrates steady progress over generations. In the 1960s, more than half a century after Italian immigration peaked, about 40 percent of second-generation Italians married non-Italians. This pattern characterizes today's immigrants: 39 percent of U.S.-born Latinos marry non-Latinos, according to the Pew Research Center. Intermarriage among second-generation Asian Americans is even more common. Today's immigrants are, on average, assimilating socially even more rapidly than earlier waves.

One important difference, however, that separates immigration then and now: We native-born Americans are doing less than our great-grandparents did to welcome immigrants.

A century ago, religious, civic and business groups and government provided classes in English and citizenship. Historian Thomas P. Vadasz found that in Bethlehem, Pa., a thriving town of about 20,000, roughly two-thirds of whom were immigrants, the biggest employer, Bethlehem Steel, and the local YMCA offered free English instruction to thousands of immigrants in the early 20th century, even paying them to take classes. Today, immigrants face long waiting lists for English classes, even ones they pay for.

Why is this important? A legal immigration system is the not-so-secret edge in a competitive, interconnected world economy. Immigrants enhance our ability to grow and prosper in the dynamic global marketplace. We will need every possible advantage to expand our economy amid its fiscal challenges. Moreover, the aging of our population places a premium on young, productive workers, many of whom must come from immigration.

To improve their integration into our American community, we should:

-- Provide low-cost English classes, in cooperation with local civic and religious groups, where immigrants build personal ties with co-ethnics and native-born Americans. These connections foster assimilation and help newcomers navigate our complex institutions.

-- Invest in public education, including civics education and higher education. During the first half of the 20th century, schools were critical to preparing children of immigrants for success and fostering a shared national identity.

-- Assist communities experiencing rapid increases in immigration, which is traumatic for those arriving here and for receiving communities. Schools and hospitals bear disproportionate costs of immigration, while the economic and fiscal benefits from immigration accrue nationally.

Assimilation does not mean immigrants shed ethnic identities. Our national experience with hyphenated identities shows that good Americans can retain a strong sense of ethnic identity.

We've lived our national motto, "E Pluribus Unum" ("Out of Many, One"), better than any other country. But we ought not to airbrush our ancestors' difficulties in assimilation, nor fail to match our forebears' efforts to help integrate immigrants. Government, churches, libraries, civic organizations and businesses must cooperate to address this challenge, as they did a century ago.


Makes sense to me. Our family has many friends who are legal immigrants to our country. Some of these friends are feeling the change in our nation's feelings towards illegal immigrants and have decided to move back to their countries of origin, rather than face the possible back lash of these feelings.

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I think the key words are,
 
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legal immigrants to our country.


Those I have no problem with, nor should anyone else.

 
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change in our nation's feelings towards illegal immigrants


I don’t see any real change, we have never thought illegal immigrants were welcome.

 
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have decided to move back to their countries of origin, rather than face the possible back lash of these feelings.


That they may be right about from those who are just to short sighted to see.

And just to clarify, I was born here, all my ancestors were born here.

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Makes sense to me. Our family has many friends who are legal immigrants to our country. Some of these friends are feeling the change in our nation's feelings towards illegal immigrants and have decided to move back to their countries of origin, rather than face the possible back lash of these feelings.


For *legal* immigrants i agree, giving them a hand is fine by me and a good investment. Now, if they bite that hand like so many do around here, they should have their status revoked.
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And just to clarify, I was born here, all my ancestors were born here.

Steve



You are native Indian ? Just joking, but technically everyone else has an immigrant heritage.

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You are native Indian ? Just joking, but technically everyone else has an immigrant heritage.


Passamaquoddy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/maine/

From way back.
Also Penobscot.
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Jeb Bush, as did his brother and nearly ALL politicians, has suggested sensible, effective ways to assimilate immigrants into our culture and economy. He has, as did his brother and nearly ALL politicians, completely ignored the one characteristic that is defining this problem: THEY ARE ILLEGALLY HERE!

Until someone in elected office has the courage and compassion for the actual US Citizen, the taxpayer, all their jibberish vebiage is just that. I'm really sick of blathering politicians who can't muster the courage to deal with the illegal alien (notice I did not call them 'immigrants').

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What our friends are saying is that they are afraid they may be stopped and questioned, even though they are here perfectly legally and even have all the proper documents and green cards. They feel that our nation is turning more hostile against all immigrants, legal or not, and don't want to face the prospect of detainment or worse, so they have decided to move back to their home countries rather than face that possibility.
We certainly are not treating immigrants, legal or not, very good lately. The article above explains what we used to do.
 
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A century ago, religious, civic and business groups and government provided classes in English and citizenship. Historian Thomas P. Vadasz found that in Bethlehem, Pa., a thriving town of about 20,000, roughly two-thirds of whom were immigrants, the biggest employer, Bethlehem Steel, and the local YMCA offered free English instruction to thousands of immigrants in the early 20th century, even paying them to take classes. Today, immigrants face long waiting lists for English classes, even ones they pay for.

Why is this important? A legal immigration system is the not-so-secret edge in a competitive, interconnected world economy. Immigrants enhance our ability to grow and prosper in the dynamic global marketplace. We will need every possible advantage to expand our economy amid its fiscal challenges. Moreover, the aging of our population places a premium on young, productive workers, many of whom must come from immigration.


If we don't help integrate and welcome the legal ones, we are just making the problem bigger for ourselves.

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Passamaquoddy.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/maine/

From way back.
Also Penobscot.
Steve


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Some frog, Frenchman married my, great, great, great grandmother on my dads side.
And the same on my moms side a lot further back.

And before anyone says I am not,
wanna see me scalp you?

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Some frog, Frenchman married my, great, great, great grandmother on my dads side.
And the same on my moms side a lot further back.

And before anyone says I am not,
wanna see me scalp you?

Steve


I can relate with that, my grandmother on my fathers side was Blackfoot, she married a german/itailian second genertion to the country. his side came over in the mid 1800's I think is as far back as the trace goes.

Key words are legal and illegal aliens. The legal ones I view as immigrants as there is no suce thing as an illegal immigrant he/she are alliens.

I also think that in todays age of technology that placing the burden of responsibility on the communities is also misplaced. Most of the subject today is from south of the boarder. I don't know about the rest of you but here in my community of 40,000 or so there are plenty of spanish speaking TV broadcasts happening. Those that are doing that programing should place several slots of english type classes on the air. The ones that are serious about learning the language in order to blend in better will watch and learn as they all in this area have TVs in their residence working or not in all cases AND they have cable or satalite at their disposal.
So many areound here get foodstamps and other benifits from the taxpayers those that need to could show alittle effort on their part. There is no Little Madrid or Small Mexico City here, they are in scatterted groups here and there.
Cummon, they cost enough already. I don't have anything against them and would talk to them if the could even speak some sort of American language (I don't think we speak english anymore either) we just call it that..

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Annex Mexico. They all become citizens by default. Problem solved.

Except for sewing another star on the flag for Mexico.
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Except for sewing another star on the flag for Mexico.


That would be the one with the sombreo?
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