Re wonkette: Does anyone on the left understand that loud obscenities are not a substitute for thinking?
Does anyone on the rightwing fringe? Apparently, for the last fifty years, they haven't. MAYBE you never will. But just keep sticking your heads in the sand while the 'smart kids' try to fix the blunders of the past few (or not so few ) years. And dream about returning to an idyllic past that never really existed, except on black and white TV.
BTW, does everyone have the new Sarah Palin magazine? With all the cool photos? LOOK OUT, Oprah.
Have fun, guys. Being your target doesn't scare me in the least.
Never existed during the "color TV" years huh? You do understand, that you are talking about a time period in which this country produced more than ever before--with perhaps the execption of war materials during WW2?
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avengador1 Member
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I’m too busy living my life and harrassing tea baggers to spend three hours listening to a mirror image of right wing hate radio.
I think your time would have been better spent listening to Air America instead of doing what you are doing. Sticking your head in the sand won't gain you any knowledge and calling people names will not gain you any friends.
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fierobear Member
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But just keep sticking your heads in the sand while the 'smart kids' try to fix the blunders of the past few (or not so few ) years. And dream about returning to an idyllic past that never really existed, except on black and white TV.
People like you don't seem to realize that your elitist attitude isn't making friends, and it's not solving problems. The country is rejecting your horseshit. Insulting us isn't discouraging us, it's making us more determined to dump your crap and start running this country right. So go ahead, please, keep up the insults, keep looking down your nose at us, talking down to us...it's only making us stronger.
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fierobear Member
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We expect those in government to know how to get things done. They need to understand organizational and political behavior, effective administration, and how to comply with the law.
We do not expect or want elitists and moral supremacists who believe that they know so much more about justice, the market, and how we should live. In his recent book Intellectuals and Society, Thomas Sowell explains how the "anointed" believe that their advanced education and depth of knowledge in one field automatically makes them an authority on any field in which they wield an opinion. Thus Noam Chomsky, a noted scholar in linguistics, has written dozens of books condemning America's and Israel's foreign policy with only the illusion of authority.
Sowell further explains that the most educated among us know only the smallest fraction of what is to be known. That these highly educated people may know so much more than any one of us does not mean that they know a fraction as much as do all of us.
I know the price of a Visconti fountain pen, an Ibanez George Benson Model guitar, an Acer 9" laptop, a subscription to Netflix, a ton of carbon steel, a Ford Expedition, a flight to St. Kitts, a forklift, a Rocky Patel cigar, a bottle of Glenrothes scotch, and an hour of time for a decent electrician. My expertise on these items combined with the market experience and expertise of millions of others is what constitutes a free market. It is how the prices of millions of items are accurately determined and how assets are allocated to production.
When prices are determined by central planning or anointed experts, shortages and gluts appear. The failed economies of the old Soviet Union and other systems determined by elite central planning evidences the flaw of thinking that elites know more than the combined individuals that comprise a healthy market.
But this flaw of elitist thinking and planning is not limited to market pricing.
I have a good idea about what works and doesn't work in sales and management incentives, how to run a steel warehouse safely, how much workers are willing to pay for health insurance, the benefits of paying bills promptly, how to analyze my blog hits, the risks of debt, treatment options for breast cancer, the benefits of a Health Savings Account, how to lower my triglycerides, the risks of improper investment diversification, and how technology can be used to waste time as easily as to make us more efficient.
Yet I know very, very little. But my knowledge and my experience combined with the millions of others with different but equally specialized experience is unmatched by the most highly educated group of intellectual elites.
Yet we often see intellectuals commit major logical errors even in the fields where they do have expertise.
Wall Street was brought to its knees by sophisticated models with which they thought they could engineer away risks. With unmerited confidence they overleveraged investments with a 95% chance of certainty only to learn the devastation involved in the 5% chance of loss if you have illiquid and complicated investments.
Climategate has shown us that even Ph.D. scientists can be swayed with money, power, and political influence. I may not know which end of the test tube the cork goes into, but such delusional certainty ("the debate is over") about such a massively complicated issue can make a skeptic of anyone. Science and politics go together no better than religion and politics.
Even the brilliant Ben Bernanke, the most noted modern scholar on the Great Depression of 1929, stood before audiences only a few years ago and explained that the effect of subprime loans would be limited and that the financial system was sound. History does repeat itself, but never in the same way.
Even the brightest minds cannot escape emotional impediments to a rational conclusion. Combining such emotional rationalism with a focus on theories detached from the verification of practical experience can be downright dangerous. This is why it concerns so many that Obama's administration has the lowest number of appointees from the private sector in his cabinet of any president in history.
The average American knows that taking a dollar from one person and giving it to another does not create a stimulus. The average parent knows that protecting one from the consequences of bad decisions does not teach one to make good decisions. The individual citizen knows that the government will not make better health care decisions or better investment decisions because they will never know as much as all the citizens. The voter who knows the consequences of too much debt on his household does not find it more acceptable when a lot of zeros are added to the balance and the loan account is moved to Washington, D.C.
One message from the Massachusetts Senate contest was that we do not trust educated elitists with making detailed decisions about our health care and our lives. American citizens have become too smart for that.
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NEPTUNE Member
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originally posted by Fierobear "People like you...."
(I guess he means American voters)
But the smart kids ARE working hard, and gradually solving problems. And In spite of some very fierce opposition, as we all know.
Just like they did the last times the righties gave America away.
Have a cup of tea and a nice evening! Here on the East coast we have to go to work early tomorrow.
To help pay for Bushes Blunders.
BTW, Fierobear, you have impressed......... Someone, maybe, I guess, with your ability to copy and paste FOX "news" and Newsmax propaganda. I'm not one of those people.
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In 1964, Barry Goldwater (R, AZ)wanted to be president. He dove to the bottom of the pool, and based his campaign on the bitter, white, lower middle class voters on the extreme right wing of the political spectrum. He LOST.
In 1968, George Wallace (I,AL) wanted to be president. He dove to the bottom of the pool and based his campaign on bitter, white, lower middle class voters on the extreme right. He LOST .
In 1992, H. Ross Perot (I,TX) wanted to be president. Once again, right wing, bitter, white lower middle class people flocked to his campaign. He LOST.
In 2008, the main candidates, Barak Obama (D) and John McCain (R) were almost in a dead heat before the Republicans dove to the bottom again, and named someone from the far right wing fringe as the VP candidate. I predicted that Obama would win. I was scorned, ridiculed, and called childish names on this forum. The right wing fringe LOST again. I was right correct.
In 2006 I predicted that Democrats would take control of congress. I was scorned, ridiculed, and called childish names on this forum. I was right. The right wing fringe lost the election.
In 2009, I predicted that after she cut and ran from her job as governor of Alaska, Palin would land on FOX "news" as a commentator, just like the disgraced former speaker Newt Gingritch. Once again, I was ridiculed and called names. Ms. Palin is now a commentator on FOX "news". I was right.
I'm going to go out on a (very stout) limb, and predict that the bitter tea party candidates will not sweep any major election in 2012, or ever.
I'm basing this prediction on a history of the rejection of extreme right wing politics by the majority of American voters.
I have NO DOUBT that I will be ridiculed and called names on this forum again today. I also have no doubt that my prediction will come true.
History is on my side. Without any doubt, I'll be right again.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27111 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
This evening I got to see Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly on their Bold Fresh tour in Tampa. The show is simple in it's format. Each personality presented a monologue that was equally funny and political. There was then a 15 minutes break and both appeared on stage and provided 20 minutes of banter on various subjects. Glenn Beck is the ham of the two, playing to the crowd while O'Reilly paced back and forth like a teacher in front of a lecture hall. Both were funny and relevant. Items that stick out in my mind from the night.
I had to pass a sparse number of protesters (10 people perhaps?) to get into the venue. I was surprised, especially considering the fact that the only news organization that even present a right of center point of view is Fox. It seems that any thought other than liberal orthodoxy is going to attract some sort of protest now days. The venue was filled with excited people. Folks were angry at the government, angry at their politicians and angry at the media. Both O'Reilly and Beck brought some much needed humor to a lot of people who were down about the direction the country has been moving in. A lot of the people around me in the audience were upset about a lot of issues when they walked in, but smiling and laughing when they walked out. They also left more motivated.
The left has ignited a grassroots fire that continues to build across the country. Beck and O'Reilly are there fanning those flames with wit and humor. Based on what I saw in Tampa, that fire is going to consume the left and progressives are going to find themselves on the short end of the electoral stick this fall.
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NEPTUNE Member
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Granted, its not making me any friends HERE. But the smart kids ARE working hard, and gradually solving problems. Just like they did the last times the righties gave America away. And In spite of some very fierce opposition.
Yeah, keep up the elitist nonesense. Please. It's working beautifully. It worked in New Jersey, it worked in Virginia, and it worked in Massachusetts.
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Have a cup of tea and a nice evening! Here on the East coast we have to go to work early tomorrow.
Thanks, I will. And I'll be working, too. I'd better, to pay for all of the debt and socialist nonsense you progressives are pushing.
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To help pay for Bushes Blunders.
Sure, the Republicans weren't doing all they should have been, but we're going to fix that...as soon as we get self-important snobs like you out of the way.
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fierobear Member
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Granted, its not making me any friends HERE. But the smart kids ARE working hard, and gradually solving problems. And In spite of some very fierce opposition, as we all know.
Yeah--just brilliant.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House will predict a record budget deficit in the 2010 fiscal year and more big shortfalls for the next decade in its upcoming budget proposal, a congressional source told Reuters on Sunday.
Barack Obama
The grim forecast adds to the challenges facing President Barack Obama, who is emphasizing a message of fiscal discipline but is also seeking stimulus measures to boost the struggling economy in the near term.
In its budget proposal to be released on Monday, the White House predicts a record $1.6 trillion budget deficit for the current fiscal year that began on October 1, 2009 and ends September 30, the Capitol Hill source said.
According to the estimate, deficits will narrow to $700 billion by fiscal 2013 before gradually rising back to $1.0 trillion by the end of the decade, the source said.
Obama is trying to strike a balance between long-term deficit reduction and easing the pain of double-digit unemployment through proposals such as tax credits to encourage business hiring and tax breaks for middle class families.
Criticized by Republicans as a big spender, Obama used his State of the Union address last week to tell Americans he would dig the country out of a "massive fiscal hole."
That hole is even deeper than previously believed, according to the estimate by the White House's Office of Management and Budget.
The estimate for the current fiscal year is significantly higher than the $1.35 trillion figure forecast by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office last week.
Despite the difference, both estimates indicate that the deficit will continue to hover at a level not seen since World War Two, when measured as a percentage of the economy. Last year, the government posted a $1.4 trillion deficit.
THREE-YEAR FREEZE WON'T BE ENOUGH
In his budget, Obama will propose a three-year freeze on some domestic programs to save $20 billion next year and $250 billion over the coming decade.
But that will not be enough to get deficits down permanently to the 3 percent of gross domestic product that most economists consider sustainable.
Deficits are projected to fall as the economy recovers, but they will still average roughly 4.5 percent of GDP over the coming decade, according to the estimate.
Deficits are expected to rise again toward the end of the decade due to the increasing cost of retirement and healthcare programs as the "baby boom" generation retires.
Obama has warned that the burgeoning U.S. debt could unnerve U.S. financial markets, driving up borrowing costs and putting future economic growth at risk.
China, the biggest foreign holder of U.S. Treasuries, has urged the United States to get its fiscal house in order.
The bleak numbers could help build support for a bipartisan commission proposed by the White House that would recommend ways to address the budget problems.
Obama and his fellow Democrats face a growing voter backlash for the aggressive spending measures they have taken to stimulate the economy.
But Democrats point out that most of the fiscal mess has been inherited from the previous administration of Republican George W. Bush, who cut taxes and created an expensive prescription drug-benefit while pursuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The recession, which began in December 2007, also worsened the fiscal picture by depressing government revenues while forcing up spending on unemployment benefits and other safety-net programs.
The U.S. economy returned to growth last year after the worst downturn since the 1930s
Oh--btw, this IS Obama's economy--he said so. Six months ago.
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WARREN, Mich. -- President Obama had a message for Republican critics who want to pin the country’s current economic woes on him: “That’s fine. Give it to me.”
With the nation’s unemployment rate near 9.5% -- a 26-year high -- Obama has come under increasing fire from detractors on the right, who say the massive $787 billion stimulus has done little to create jobs.
In a speech to a cheering crowd of more than 1,500 people, who waited for several hours in the hot sun at Macomb Community College to hear him speak, Obama said it was his administration’s job to get the economy back on its feet.
“It’s a job I gladly accept,” he said to applause. “I love these folks who helped get us in this mess. And then suddenly say, ‘Oh, this is Obama’s economy.’ That’s fine. Give it to me. My job is to solve problems -- not to stand on the sidelines and carp and gripe. So I welcome the job. I want the responsibility.”
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Formula88 Member
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: But just keep sticking your heads in the sand while the 'smart kids' try to fix the blunders of the past few (or not so few ) years.
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: But the smart kids ARE working hard, and gradually solving problems.
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Just like they did the last times the righties gave America away.
Solving what problems ? The mess of an economy lays squarely on the shoulders of dumbocrats ! It was great till they got controll of Congress in '06. The housing crash was because of dumbocratic housing policy. That everybody should be able to buy a home whether they could afford one or not. Making banks make risky loans to achieve that wet dream.Resulting in a credit crash. That the stimulus worked is of great question. Economies come back on their own. $400,000.00 for every job created is , ummm, dumb. Saved or created jobs ? All of the saved jobs are government jobs. Fire, police, teachers, and governmental workers. It's not the economies fault that these jobs needed saving. It is because of reckless spending and budgeting of state and local governments. Solving what problems ? Global warming ? Oh puhleeze, . Which if it were even true, the solution further sinks the economy. Solving what problems ? Iran ? Solving what problems ? Health Care ? Oh puhleeze, . So, tell me what problems you are solving and, if your guys are so smart, how come they never keep power. Because they always blow it, .
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
But the smart kids ARE working hard, and gradually solving problems. And In spite of some very fierce opposition, as we all know.
Elitism mixed with vague generalizations, combined with an unwillingness or outright inability to answer direct questions.
Yep, typical NEPTUNE crap.
Serious questions, which I'm sure you won't answer. Does it bother you that the "smart kids" have control of the White House and Congress, and that for a year they had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but yet still couldn't accomplish anything other than to increase spending (using money we don't have)? Does it bother you that the "smart kids" had to resort to backroom deals, broken promises, and bribes among themselves to advance their pet project, only to see the effort fall apart? Does it bother you that the independent voters (which put the "smart kids" in power) seem to be realizing they signed up for a trip on the short bus, and are doing everything they can to pull over? Does it bother you that the "smart kids" are desperately pretending to move towards the center, because it's become clear once again that this is not a liberal country? Does it bother you that virtually every "smart kid" social program that's been passed into law has proven itself to be financially unsustainable?
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NEPTUNE Member
Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
Serious questions, which I'm sure you won't answer. Does it bother you that the "smart kids" have control of the White House and Congress, and that for a year they had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but yet still couldn't accomplish anything ?
Doesn't bother me at all.
The smart kids are making gradual progress. In spite of a total lack of bipartisan cooperation. But gradual progress is usually the best kind. Thats the way things are supposed to work here. This nation, and the world, isn't all black and white. As I have pointed out over, and over again. To much derision.
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Maybe, the "smart kids" can figure out how to use turbo tax this year and actually pay their taxes--right Turbo Timmy?
And the $787 billion stimulus, that was supposed to prevent unemployment from going over 8% (it's now 10%) well--hello--CBO sez that cost has now risen as well.
The economic stimulus bill's price tag has risen to $862 billion, the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday — a $75 billion jump that's a result in part to the fact that, despite the spending, joblessness has risen and the government is paying out more than expected on unemployment benefits.
The CBO, in a new report, also said spending in fiscal 2010 will push the deficit to more than $1.3 trillion, or nearly the record $1.4 trillion deficit recorded in 2009.
The dire warnings fueled spending hysteria, which hit Washington in full force this week after Democrats' health care overhaul got shelved last week.
President Obama plans to call for a freeze on non-security spending in Wednesday's State of the Union address — but advisers said it wouldn't take effect until 2011.
"In 2010, we are focused on making sure we can get people back to work. In 2011, when we believe the economy will be back on stronger footing, we're going to be looking to make sure the footing we are putting them on is a more sustainable discretionary footing," said White House deputy budget director Rob Nabors.
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GT86 Member
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The smart kids are making gradual progress. In spite of a total lack of bipartisan cooperation. But gradual progress is usually the best kind. Thats the way things are supposed to work here. This nation, and the world, isn't all black and white. As I have pointed out over, and over again. To much derision.
Ignoring the fact you answered only one question (and you didn't even really answer that since you selectively edited it), your post leads me to ask: What do you consider progress? What have the Democrats done that you feel is good for America, and why is it good?
I'm not going to debate you on your stances, but just for once I'd like to see you actually post what you believe is good and why, instead of simply mocking what others believe.
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fierobear Member
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Originally posted by GT86: I'm not going to debate you on your stances, but just for once I'd like to see you actually post what you believe is good and why, instead of simply mocking what others believe.
Gee, you'd think one of the "smart kids" could give an actual answer to a real question, wouldn't ya?
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37880 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Smart kids? Do you mean our politicians? Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you know how to run a country. Geez, look at Obama.... all that education and the guy still can figure out that he is no longer on the campaign trail.
When you talk about lack of bipartisan cooperation, you must mean the democrats, as they have not let anyone else join them during the health care legislation ram through.
How about that "gradual process".... do you mean that Health Care bill that the democrats were trying to FORCE on everyone? How about the stimulus package that did nothing but put money in the hands of those didn't need it? All pushed through by the democrats... pushed through in a hurry, no less.
And, of course this nation isn't black and white, but liberals still think this way. "Tax the rich" is the battle cry from the liberals, yet they fail to understand that these "rich" people are the ones creating jobs. "Health Care for Everyone" is another push from the liberals... if it was so easy why doesn't the world just do it? Sure, Canadian has universal coverage, but if you want to see a doctor or a specialist, then you must wait weeks or months. Those Canadian's who can afford better care come to the US. So much for universal health care..... it is only a means to take something great and make it average or below average.
Looks like you pointed these things out, over and over, but it is all the liberal agenda that you are pointing to and hence, the problem.
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Doesn't bother me at all.
The smart kids are making gradual progress. In spite of a total lack of bipartisan cooperation. But gradual progress is usually the best kind. Thats the way things are supposed to work here. This nation, and the world, isn't all black and white. As I have pointed out over, and over again. To much derision.
It occurred to me today as I pondered the prospect of filing taxes for my business this year. The whole stimulus thing doesn't make sense to me. Instead of spending money they (we) don't have, why don't they try reducing taxes on businesses a little bit, leaving them with more revenue to hire people. Help me out of I'm missing something, but isn't it better for the economy and the jobless rate if the government rewards companies for creating jobs instead of penalizing them with higher taxes? I dunno, I'm just a small business owner who can't afford to hire anyone because I'm being taxed to death, legislated all to hell, and could end up being sued if I have to fire some guy because he's a lazy-ass. But it sure looks to me like people don't really *want* more jobs...
Gee, you'd think one of the "smart kids" could give an actual answer to a real question, wouldn't ya?
Probably won't happen. Doesn't want it on record here at PFF, in case it turns out badly. It's the same mindset Obama has shown. Instead of actually leading and sending legislation to congress, he has left it all up to them, then blamed congress when things didn't get done--including members of his own party. Obama has been all over the landscape with Healthcare--first a public option was vital--then "maybe not vital"--then, when the far left gouged him on that stance, he pushed for it---whichever way the wind blows to make himself insulated and blame free. He learned from Bush--he wants plausible deniability on everything when it comes time for re-election.
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Yup, taxing businesses (small or large) doesn't help the average person. But businesses are easy targets for those who believe everything is "black and white".. ie.. the democrats.
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NEPTUNE Member
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Sarah Palin used her PAC to buy $63,000 worth of copies of her own book “in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show.” This is a favorite move of political organizations. Get donations, buy tons of your own books with those donations, and then offer donors direct-mailed copies of the books that they can purchase by… donating more! The "authors" get more royalties and can brag about how they all reached #1 bestseller status in the New York Times. And we all know the books are ghost written, and most people never read more than the first and last chapters anyway. http://abcnews.go.com/Blott...ry?id=9718024&page=2
Point? As you said, this is nothing new (if completely true and not taken out of context.... link?). How do you think Obama made his money? Selling a book that he didn't write.
J.
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Sarah Palin used her PAC to buy $63,000 worth of copies of her own book “in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show.” This is a favorite move of political organizations. Get donations, buy tons of your own books with those donations, and then offer donors direct-mailed copies of the books that they can purchase by… donating more! The "authors" get more royalties and can brag about how they all reached #1 bestseller status in the New York Times. And we all know the books are ghost written, and most people never read more than the first and last chapters anyway.
The smart kids make big bucks selling this stuff.
Do you all have your copy of her magazine yet?
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fierobear Member
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Point? As you said, this is nothing new (if completely true and not taken out of context.... link?). How do you think Obama made his money? Selling a book that he didn't write.
J.
Uh...yeah, Neptune. How about a link to the Palin story. And while you're at it, how about showing us your derision for Obama's ghost written books? Or is that somehow different?
As of December 19, according to this article, she's sold more than 1 million copies. If what Neptune said was true, that 60,000 sure made up a big portion of that million in sales, huh?
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37880 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Sarah Palin used her PAC to buy $63,000 worth of copies of her own book “in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show.”
Oh my, . What campaign records ? What campaign ? What office is she running for ? Do you know something we don't ? Probably not. Your a smart kid.
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NEPTUNE Member
Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
NEPTUNE, if you were invited to a tea party, would you go? How about if they asked really nicely and there were lots of hot girls there... would that encourage you to go? Or would you still refuse?
NEPTUNE, if you were invited to a tea party, would you go? How about if they asked really nicely.
What a hypothetical question THAT is. Given those parameters, sure, I'd go. I'll always listen to rational, intelligent discussions of ideas. But what has nice to do with what seems to be nothing but angry wingnuts who are into this?
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25717 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
What a hypothetical question THAT is. Given those parameters, sure, I'd go. I'll always listen to rational, intelligent discussions of ideas. But what has nice to do with what seems to be nothing but angry wingnuts who are into this?
What IF there were tons of hot girls there, but you also were forced to listen to Rush and / or Palin talk about lower taxes?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: What IF there were tons of hot girls there, but you also were forced to listen to Rush and / or Palin talk about lower taxes?
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Nope. See above quote from NEPTUNE. BTW, I live in Orlando FL. I work one of my jobs near UCF. Dunno why you keep bringing it up, but I see hot girls every day. And in my previous incarnation, I used to visit Davie, Cooper City, Doral, and Miami Beach every month. I can just click on Univision and see amazingly hot women that I've actually MET.
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. Which if it were even true, the solution further sinks the economy.
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