Just trying to keep ryan.hess thread free of all those pesky comments and allow those who want to say something about their vote a place to argue.
Or just comment on why they voted the way they did.

Also wanted to comment on frontal lobe and Boonies comments.

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: Ok. So let's make it interesting by seeing where your line is. Cocaine. Vote free? Heroin. Vote free? Hydrocodone. Vote free? Diazepam (valium). Vote free?

And I am sure many have comments on this.

As far as frontal lobes question in the other thread goes.


Cocaine I don’t think should even be a prescribed drug anymore, is it still prescribed? I know it used to be because I had a friend in high school who was a delivery driver for a pharmacy and got some. Best coke I ever did, So no

Heroin No

Hydrocodone prescription only. I take these everyday without any problems but I know Melanie can’t take more than one at a time or she gets loopy.

Diazepam Vs script only addiction is to easy. I know. As Boonie said they are just to easy to get addicted to. And to easy to OD on compared to pot.

Steve
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I think boonie hit it pretty well in the fact that those are also deadly. you can easily use them as poisons to discretely kill people.

but - if they were not - and still totally addictive - and still had the same affects. I am mostly wanting to say controlled, like alcohol.

are things to be regulated because they are addictive?
are things to be regulated because they "pack a buzz"?
because them qualifiers also describe Caffiene.
so, the buzz & the addiction are NOT the reasons. so, what is? well, with heroin - easy answer: your frackin useless for a LONG time. with caffiene - just the opposite. and now cocaine - again - you are productive. maybe. (as with caffiene)

so, must not be a single item which determines the legal standing. and, again - I think the abusers of the drugs are they real key. well to do men, who lose their wives & children to heroin. these are really the only people with the time & the means to do so. because they dont want to be responsible. they want to use the public money to keep their families from drugs.

Well as with Alcohol which happens to be legal all forms of drugs can ruin people's lives. It's going to happen, that's life. Some drugs are definitely without a doubt more harsh than others though and can pack some serious health problems, though I guess so does alcohol which is legal and when consumed for long periods of time in high quantities. Hmmm... this argument will never be over.

What it comes down to whether something should be legal or not is VERY SIMPLE yet for one reason or another so hard to do. All it takes is majority vote. I'm not talking about congressmen voting for their "states" because we all know they can vote however they damn well feel like it. Plus they are influenced greatly by things they shouldn't be. Simply put, a majority vote by all legal registered voters, majority wins. If the majority says no, its illegal, if the majority says yes, its legal. Simple..... yet so hard.

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The agrument for legalizing MJ is that alcohol is worse and already legal.

I guess I just have to ask how do you define slippery slope?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: The agrument for legalizing MJ is that alcohol is worse and already legal. I guess I just have to ask how do you define slippery slope?

I myself do not like this arguement, being that it should (in a sane world) have the opposite affect - as in making alcohol illegal.....

for me - the most compelling reason to make it legal is there is no valid reason for it to be illegal.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: I myself do not like this arguement, being that it should (in a sane world) have the opposite affect - as in making alcohol illegal..... for me - the most compelling reason to make it legal is there is no valid reason for it to be illegal.

To me that is the same argument, because drinking is legal and the reasons it is.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Cocaine I don’t think should even be a prescribed drug anymore, is it still prescribed? I know it used to be because I had a friend in high school who was a delivery driver for a pharmacy and got some. Best coke I ever did, So no Hydrocodone prescription only. I take these everyday without any problems but I know Melanie can’t take more than one at a time or she gets loopy. Steve

I took hydrocodone every 3 hours for 2 weeks in a row after a tonsillectomy at about age 35 ish. Not one time did I think, "Hey, this is nice. I like this feeling. I want to keep taking it after the pain is gone." Individual variation. Just didn't hit me that way. So not one iota of struggle to quit when the pain was gone.

Cocaine-I "think" the ear/nose/throat boys still use it as a topical anesthetic for nose procedures. Good local anesthetic and reduces bleeding. But I'm not sure about that. They used to use it for that. That is the only medical use I am aware of in the span of my career (about 25 years)

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: I think boonie hit it pretty well in the fact that those are also deadly. you can easily use them as poisons to discretely kill people.

With a few hours of preparation you can get the pure nicotine out of 3-4 cigarettes or a couple of cigars and "discretely" kill someone, especially if they're smokers.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: Cocaine-I "think" the ear/nose/throat boys still use it as a topical anesthetic for nose procedures.

Is that irony or what.


I really don't understand why marijuana is not legal while alcohol is, but I think differently than most.

A week or so ago Missouri make that fake marijuana "something something 2" illegal, and I have no idea why either. It seems it was marketed as potpourri, and not as something that can get you high.

Brad

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: I took hydrocodone every 3 hours for 2 weeks in a row after a tonsillectomy at about age 35 ish. Not one time did I think, "Hey, this is nice. I like this feeling. I want to keep taking it after the pain is gone." Individual variation. Just didn't hit me that way. So not one iota of struggle to quit when the pain was gone.

I've been hurt in my life. Several times and very bad. Bad enough that I was prescribed pain killers a LOT. In fact, they forced me to take them (more or less) while in the hospital. Like Dan, I hated them. I didn't think I needed them and didn't want them.

When I broke my back in '99 they were pushing the morphine to me pretty hard for several days after the surgeries because they wanted me to stay still. They started taking me off of that and I was relieved to get back my reasoning ability and clear my mind, but I was in quite a bit of pain. Screw it, I'd rather deal with the pain than the painkillers. Then I found Demerol.

Demerol, for me, is magic stuff. I stay completely alert and aware. I can carry on normal and sophisticated conversations. My pupils look normal, my skin tone is normal everything. Except there is NO pain. None. Ever.

If I were in heavy chronic pain instead of the light pain I've been in since then, I could easily see myself becoming addicted to Demerol. I can see how easy it would be for professional atheletes, especially football and hockey that really abuse their bodies, to get hooked on it. Get up the morning after a game, everything hurts, you can barely move, pop one or two of those babies and it's PARTY TIME.

Now the reason I liked it was because I was normal except it made me superman. If I'd have felt happy, or high (all of which I've experienced over the years with other medications) I wouldn't be attracted to it at all because I'd know it was a fake happiness. Kind of look the appreciation of real boobies over fake ones, it's just not the same.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by jstricker: With a few hours of preparation you can get the pure nicotine out of 3-4 cigarettes or a couple of cigars and "discretely" kill someone, especially if they're smokers. John Stricker

I've seen that done! Well, not for people, for killing vermin with a blow gun.

Brad

quote Originally posted by jstricker: With a few hours of preparation you can get the pure nicotine out of 3-4 cigarettes or a couple of cigars and "discretely" kill someone, especially if they're smokers. John Stricker

no doubt. but that would be easily seen as a murder. the "accidental OD" to dispose of people is alot sneakier. with such a large variation of the impact of these "harder" drugs, I cannot see a consumer safe version. I certainly wouldnt be against it, I just dont see it as feasable in our litigous markets.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by frontal lobe:


I took hydrocodone every 3 hours for 2 weeks in a row after a tonsillectomy at about age 35 ish. Not one time did I think, "Hey, this is nice. I like this feeling. I want to keep taking it after the pain is gone." Individual variation. Just didn't hit me that way. So not one iota of struggle to quit when the pain was gone.

I had elbow surgery after I broke it 3 years ago. I got a prescription for hydrocodone with the instruction to take 1 pill every 3 hours for 2 weeks like you. I took the pills for 2 days and had a really hard time waking up or even feeling fully awake. I quit taking them and relied on Advil. I guess I don't see the thrill in at least this choice of drug.

i took hydrocodone (vicodin) when all 4 wisdom teeth were removed. cool. did i get a cool buzz n stuff? yep. did i mix it with alcohol? sure, why not?

okay, enuff bragging... i had withdraw symptoms. I never craved it, but my body did. I use to stay awake almost 24 hrs not feeling tired. my stomach would feel weird too. i panicked and went to the ER, thinking i was going 2 overdose or something. The doctor said i am going thru withdraw and i need to counter it, with bennadryl. lol. it worked like a charm.
The point is sometimes drugs become addicting because your body thrives on it?? maybe its psychological... who knows.

oh hey guys, u know some places in the US they have dry counties right? the county i live in just accepted beer to be sold here like a few years ago. they do not sell liquor. i have to go on post because its close by to get some liquor. what a shame.

i read wikipedia on the prohibition of alcohol, and apparently the big cities in America united to fight/lobby against the us congress to re-appeal the 18th amendment...

SO if u want weed to be legal, lets all go together to washington... all 300 million us citizens. that will send a msg.

Isn't California legalizing weed use??????

quote Originally posted by ghost187x: Isn't California legalizing weed use??????

Possibly, for medical from state distributors.