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Machete-wielding rioters kill 200 in Nigeria
Suspicion falls on Muslim group after three Christian villages attacked

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...s/world_news-africa/

JOS, Nigeria - The killers showed no mercy: They didn't spare women and children, or even a 4-day-old baby, from their machetes. On Monday, women wailed in the streets as a dump truck carried dozens of bodies past burned-out homes toward a mass grave.

Rubber-gloved workers pulled ever-smaller bodies from the dump truck and tossed them into the mass grave. A crowd began singing a hymn with the refrain, "Jesus said I am the way to heaven." As the grave filled, the grieving crowd sang: "Jesus, show me the way."

At least 200 people, most of them Christians, were slaughtered on Sunday, according to residents, aid groups and journalists. The local government gave a figure more than twice that amount, but offered no casualty list or other information to substantiate it.

An Associated Press reporter counted 61 corpses, 32 of them children, being buried in the mass grave in the village of Dogo Nahawa on Monday. Other victims were being buried elsewhere.

The violence in three mostly Christian villages on Sunday appeared to be reprisal attacks following the January unrest in Jos — when some 300 people, most of them Muslims, were killed, Red Cross spokesman Robin Waubo said. State officials did not comment on the cause of the latest attacks.

Plateau State spokesman Gregory Yenlong said Sunday's toll could be much higher. "Soldiers are patrolling and everywhere remains calm ... We are estimating 500 people killed but I think it should be a little bit above that," he said.

Death tolls have been highly politicized in previous outbreaks of unrest in central Nigeria, with various factions accused of either exaggerating the figures for political ends or downplaying them to try to douse the risk of reprisals.

Severed hands
On Sunday, the bodies of children tangled with each other in a local morgue, including a diaper-clad toddler. Another young victim appeared to have been scalped, while others had severed hands and feet. One woman victim in the morgue appeared to have been stripped below the waist, but later covered by a strip of black cloth.

Jos has been under a dusk-til-dawn curfew enforced by the military since January's religious-based violence. It was not clear how the attackers managed to elude the military curfew early Sunday.

Acting President Goodluck Jonathan said security agencies would be stationed along Plateau state's borders to keep outsiders from coming in with more weapons and fighters.

"(We will) undertake strategic initiatives to confront and defeat these roving bands of killers," he said in a statement.

On Monday, an Associated Press reporter saw nearly 100 soldiers in tan military fatigues and bulletproof vests standing near armored cars at an entrance into Jos. The street was mostly deserted but soldiers appeared tense, holding Kalashnikov rifles at their hips and pointing them at passing cars.

More than 600 people fled to a makeshift camp that still held victims from January's violence, said Red Cross official Adamu Abubakar. He expected more to come, putting an even bigger strain on the already limited humanitarian aid for those fleeing the violence.

The latest unrest in the center of Africa's most populous nation comes at a difficult time for Jonathan, who is trying to assert his authority while ailing President Umaru Yar'Adua remains too sick to govern.

Plateau state lies at the crossroads of Nigeria's Muslim north and Christian south and fierce competition for control of fertile farmlands between indigenous groups and settlers from the north have repeatedly triggered unrest over the past decade.

Once a tourist destination
The killings represent the latest religious violence in an area once known as Nigeria's top tourist destination, adding to the tally of thousands already killed in the last decade in the name of religious and political ambitions.

Rioting in September 2001 killed more than 1,000 people and Muslim-Christian battles killed up to 700 people in 2004. More than 300 residents died during a similar uprising in 2008.

In Jos, Muslims have complained about being denied jobs and other benefits by the Christian-dominated government. However, many Muslims also operate shops and businesses in a nearby town where the tourist trade has dried up and the surrounding tin mines have been abandoned, stoking fears for Christians about retaliation from Muslim neighbors.

In Dogo Nahawa, a village three miles south of Jos, residents said the dead included a 4-day-old infant. Those who survived claimed their attackers shouted at them in Hausa and Fulani — two local languages used by Muslims.

Chuwanga Gyang said he heard a gunshot early Sunday. He said he left his house through the back door but stopped when he realized that the attackers were shooting to herd fleeing villagers toward another group of attackers carrying machetes.

He said he climbed into a tree and hid, watching as villagers were killed and the attackers set homes alight over the course of 90 minutes.

He said the attackers asked people "Who are you?" in Fulani, a language used mostly by Muslims, and killed those who did not answer back in Fulani, he said.

Yenlong, the state government spokesman, said police were seeking to arrest Saleh Bayari, the regional leader of the Fulanis, alleging that Bayari made comments that incited the attack. He offered no other details.

The chairman of the local Fulani organization denied that his people were involved in the attack.
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Makes me wonder if there is any humanity left in this world.

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There is not much humanity in Africa. When the colonial powers left, the order that they enforced fell apart as the Africans reverted back to tribalism which led to much civil unrest and many civil wars with blood flowing down the gutters in the streets. The non-mediterranean parts of Africa are almost all basket cases.
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On April 6, 1994, while the international community stood by, 30,000 Hutu tribemen unleashed their "Final Solution" genocide in which an estimated 800,000 - 1,000,000 Tutsis men, women & children were slaughtered with machete's in one hundred days.

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the power of ignorance
fighting over who whoreships the same god the right way.....

does this mean we dont need to feed starving children in Nigeria anymore?

ug - sorry - this crap really is horrible. behold the religous folk. tho, it is funny that it only makes "our" news when its the Muslims. the previous attack by the Christians was quietly hushed aside, eh? but - glad the above article mentioned it.

all we need is the Jews to show both sides how to do it right
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A lady in the video made an interesting point:
Why did no one come to help? Becouse the land had no natural resources to offer. No oil, no gold, no diamonds. Why should any country stick their necks out for no gain? What could the Rwandans bring to the table?

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A lady in the video made an interesting point:
Why did no one come to help? Becouse the land had no natural resources to offer. No oil, no gold, no diamonds. Why should any country stick their necks out for no gain? What could the Rwandans bring to the table?


yup. reminds of me of one of my fav lines from the movie "Hotel Rwanda":
"they dont care about you! your not even nigggers - your AFRICANS!"
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A lady in the video made an interesting point:
Why did no one come to help? Becouse the land had no natural resources to offer. No oil, no gold, no diamonds. Why should any country stick their necks out for no gain? What could the Rwandans bring to the table?



It just goes to show the importance of the 2nd Amendment. If you rely on someone else to save you, then you are dead if they don't lift a finger. A slaughter like that could not happen in America so long as enough citizens like me have our guns. If anyone runs up to my front door with a machete, they will have their chest ventilated.

America historically has gotten involved in civil wars in the past where there was no oil, no gold or diamonds. Ever hear of Korea or Vietnam? We learned our lesson from those wars thanks to Jane Fonda and those of the left. It is much easier to let the slaughter happen then to stop it. If you try to stop it then you end up with Americans dead and the peacenicks breathing down your neck. President Clinton knew this well so all he had to do was turn a blind eye to it, especially after his embarrassment in Somalia.
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It just goes to show the importance of the 2nd Amendment. If you rely on someone else to save you, then you are dead if they don't lift a finger. A slaughter like that could not happen in America so long as enough citizens like me have our guns. If anyone runs up to my front door with a machete, they will have their chest ventilated.

America historically has gotten involved in civil wars in the past where there was no oil, no gold or diamonds. Ever hear of Korea or Vietnam? We learned our lesson from those wars thanks to Jane Fonda and those of the left. It is much easier to let the slaughter happen then to stop it. If you try to stop it then you end up with Americans dead and the peacenicks breathing down your neck. President Clinton knew this well so all he had to do was turn a blind eye to it, especially after his embarrassment in Somalia.


yup. but, are the folk of Nigeria banned from owning weapons? well, probably - being this was done with machetes.....or, do they just not have the $$$ for real weapons?

also - Korea & Vietnam were fought for spite against Russia (and maybe China?) either way - it certainly wasnt a war fought because of goodness or sympathy for the peoples. it was fought for political positioning.
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It just goes to show the importance of the 2nd Amendment. If you rely on someone else to save you, then you are dead if they don't lift a finger. A slaughter like that could not happen in America so long as enough citizens like me have our guns. If anyone runs up to my front door with a machete, they will have their chest ventilated.

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30,000 armed killed 800,000 unarmed.

What do you think the number would have been is ALL involved were armed?

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yup. but, are the folk of Nigeria banned from owning weapons? well, probably - being this was done with machetes.....or, do they just not have the $$$ for real weapons?

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Some reports say that AK-47's & Gernades were first handed out to the killers, but they ran out quickly.
And then it was free machetes all around.
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Oddly enough, Nigeria is home to one of the richest oil and natural gas plays on the African continent, as well as having a major petroleum pipeline running accross it--and yet it wasn't an influence in this,

Civil strife within a nation, is almost always ideology related in nature--the land is already spoken for by each side--it's not at issue.
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30,000 armed killed 800,000 unarmed.

What do you think the number would have been is ALL involved were armed?



Even if both sides shot at each other, the death toll would have been a lot less than 800,000 dead in 100 days. You can't kill people as quickly or easily if they are shooting back at you.

What is the difference between a genocide and a civil war? Both sides are armed in a civil war.
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Even if both sides shot at each other, the death toll would have been a lot less than 800,000 dead in 100 days. You can't kill people as quickly or easily if they are shooting back at you.

What is the difference between a genocide and a civil war? Both sides are armed in a civil war.


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It just goes to show the importance of the 2nd Amendment. If you rely on someone else to save you, then you are dead if they don't lift a finger. A slaughter like that could not happen in America so long as enough citizens like me have our guns. If anyone runs up to my front door with a machete, they will have their chest ventilated.

America historically has gotten involved in civil wars in the past where there was no oil, no gold or diamonds. Ever hear of Korea or Vietnam? We learned our lesson from those wars thanks to Jane Fonda and those of the left. It is much easier to let the slaughter happen then to stop it. If you try to stop it then you end up with Americans dead and the peacenicks breathing down your neck. President Clinton knew this well so all he had to do was turn a blind eye to it, especially after his embarrassment in Somalia.


Or they just twist events like this and advocate banning machetes. And i agree, getting involved in civil wars never turns out well.

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