Obama just released his new budget with 3.83 trillion in new spending.
“The deficit for this year would surge to a record-breaking $1.56 trillion, topping last year's then-unprecedented $1.41 trillion gap, a number which had dwarfed the previous record of $454.8 billion set in 2008 under former President George W. Bush.”
What did you guys think you were voting for when you voted for a Democrat from Chicago??? That’s like voting for someone like Kilwame from Michigan, or Nanci Pelosi from California to run the country... was there not enough proof that he would screw it up???
Three things : 1. I Knew this would happen. It is what I counted on. 2. I didn't realize how much though and it has exceeded the boundaries of what I though possible. 3. I now realize it doesn't matter how much money is thrown away or what a liberal controlled government does. The people have no backbone to do anything about it. That is the way is has to be . THe people shouldn't have what they don't deserve and the people always get what they deserve.
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01:34 PM
SGS Member
Posts: 706 From: Sherwood Forest Registered: Jan 2010
Tons of "cuts" including basically killing off our space program, and the budget is still BY FAR the largest that has ever been proposed, and with the biggest deficit.
He should be impeached.
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01:39 PM
Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Supporting capitalism, the creation of jobs in the private sector, and smaller Government involvement. That should appeal to mostly everyone here.
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The board also recommended NASA help commercial firms develop space taxis to ferry crewmembers to and from the space station, a service the United States currently is paying Russia to provide at a cost of $50 million a seat. Obama apparently has decided to take its advice.
Advocates say turning over space transportation to the private sector will create more jobs per dollar because the government's investment would be leveraged by millions of dollars in private investments.
"NASA investment in the commercial spaceflight industry is a win-win decision," Bretton Alexander, president of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, said in a statement. "Commercial crew will create thousands of high-tech jobs in the United States, especially in Florida, while reducing the spaceflight gap and preventing us from sending billions to Russia.'
NASA already has contacts with Space Exploration Technologies and Orbital Sciences Corp. to deliver cargo to the station. SpaceX and other firms also are developing spaceships that can carry passengers to orbit and back.
I have always loved NASA. I don't want it to go.
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01:51 PM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Have no fear. Obama isn't cutting NASA's budget. He's actually going to be spending MORE on NASA - $6 Billion more over the next 5 years.
Of course, he's killing the Constellation program and Shuttle is still ending when it's planned missions stop. The extra budget is to help private industry take over from NASA, including "revamping" KSC for the 21st century.
It takes a Democrat to spend more money to cancel a program than it would to fund it directly to begin with.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: What did you guys think you were voting for when you voted for a Democrat from Chicago??? That’s like voting for someone like Kilwame from Michigan, or Nanci Pelosi from California to run the country... was there not enough proof that he would screw it up???
They had one thought and one thought only - he's not Bush.
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01:58 PM
Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Even RayB with his VOODOO math comments wouldn't even be able to comprehend this amount of indebtness... the fact that we will be in double digit trillions in debt...
What can you say?
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02:32 PM
jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
Have no fear. Obama isn't cutting NASA's budget. He's actually going to be spending MORE on NASA - $6 Billion more over the next 5 years.
Of course, he's killing the Constellation program and Shuttle is still ending when it's planned missions stop. The extra budget is to help private industry take over from NASA, including "revamping" KSC for the 21st century.
It takes a Democrat to spend more money to cancel a program than it would to fund it directly to begin with.
This is nuts!
Not just because I have a vested interest, but I believe this is a wrong headed direction for US Human Space Flight.
Retiring the Shuttle without having it's replacement already flying was a bad idea.
Canceling the Shuttle's replacement altogether is ludicrous.
So for the foreseeable future the United States will have no Human Spaceflight capability, except what we can buy from private companies that haven't launched as much as a sausage into space.
That's like saying we won't have an Army because we can always hire mercenaries to do our fighting if we need them.
Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican I hope you can encourage your Senators and Congressperson to not accept this travesty.
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02:36 PM
SGS Member
Posts: 706 From: Sherwood Forest Registered: Jan 2010
...The extra budget is to help private industry take over from NASA, including "revamping" KSC for the 21st century.
The revamping KSC part kills me. What are we revamping it for? There are no future missions planned in this proposal. This is pandering to the Florida voters and it's insulting.
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02:58 PM
Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7582 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
...well, we in Canada had Diefenbaker that basically single handly killed off the avaition industry that was here in Canada in the late 50's and now it sounds like Obama is going to end up doing the same thing to the space industry in the US - especially with the reasoning behind it, we want to cut the programs to save money, but no worries as we are going to be increasing the budget. What did they all flunk math school? How can one save money by increasing the budget - I must have missed that day in school...
...well, I am sure that NASA can buy some "Made in China" space craft now that they don't have to worry about building there own
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03:06 PM
82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25521 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Not just because I have a vested interest, but I believe this is a wrong headed direction for US Human Space Flight.
Retiring the Shuttle without having it's replacement already flying was a bad idea.
Canceling the Shuttle's replacement altogether is ludicrous.
So for the foreseeable future the United States will have no Human Spaceflight capability, except what we can buy from private companies that haven't launched as much as a sausage into space.
That's like saying we won't have an Army because we can always hire mercenaries to do our fighting if we need them.
Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican I hope you can encourage your Senators and Congressperson to not accept this travesty.
I've almost always voted Republican. The only exception to this is Senator Bill Nelson. I've voted for him in part because he was always more conservative than the Republicans that ran against him, but also because he was an astronaught. Being that he was from Florida, I figured he would be able to encourage the continued growth of the space program. A program that has always had equal support from both Republicans and Democrats.
I'm so devestated by this budgetary news... the increased budget deficits. China is buying up our debt, loaning us the balance. I don't think people readily realize how disasterous this is. We actually really do risk financial collapse... just like Russia experienced in the 90s.
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03:06 PM
avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Originally posted by jscott1: So for the foreseeable future the United States will have no Human Spaceflight capability, except what we can buy from private companies that haven't launched as much as a sausage into space.
Or we can pay the Russians to take our astronauts into orbit. Talk about irony...
That said, keep in mind that this is President Obama's recommendation for the budget. But he doesn't actually write the budget. Congress does. I don't think they're just going to roll over and let the President have his way.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
The KSC revamp is more than just pandering to voters. It appears to me Obama is trying to do lots of large "infrastructure" type projects so that even if he gets voted out in 2012, he'll have a lasting "legacy." I wonder how long before someone floats the idea of renaming KSC, Obama Space Center. Cape Obama.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Lockheed and Boeing currently have Atlas and Delta launch vehicles. People were complaining that Constellation was a step backwards to Apollo. Looks like our next best options were born during Mercury and Gemini.
Obama has talked about extending the Space Station beyond it's planned 2016 retirement - yet with no U.S. launch vehicle to service it. Which puts it totally dependent on Soyuz. Soyuz cannot lift enough cargo and people to support a full crew, so they'll have to reduce the crew and basically it'll just be a maintenance crew - not really doing any science, just maintaining the station until it's scuttled.
How's that hope and change working for you?
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04:51 PM
GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
...well, we in Canada had Diefenbaker that basically single handly killed off the avaition industry that was here in Canada in the late 50's and now it sounds like Obama is going to end up doing the same thing to the space industry in the US - especially with the reasoning behind it, we want to cut the programs to save money, but no worries as we are going to be increasing the budget. What did they all flunk math school? How can one save money by increasing the budget - I must have missed that day in school...
The same way they think they can "multiply wealth by dividing it", or cutting Medicare to save money to have universal health care, which will basically expand Medicare.
Now, take a wad of money out of your left pocket, stuff it in your right pocket, and tell everyone how much wealth you just created, how much money you saved, and how your budget just grew. Welcome to progressive politician's math.
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06:09 PM
fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by Blacktree: That said, keep in mind that this is President Obama's recommendation for the budget. But he doesn't actually write the budget. Congress does. I don't think they're just going to roll over and let the President have his way.
Based on what we've seen this year, I wouldn't bet on Congress breaking from Obama. Unless they suddenly "get religion" and realize Obama is full of crap.
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06:11 PM
82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25521 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Based on what we've seen this year, I wouldn't bet on Congress breaking from Obama. Unless they suddenly "get religion" and realize Obama is full of crap.
I'll tell you one thing... there is no amount of campaigning that can be done that will convince people to vote for Obama for a second term in 2012. All anyone has to say is, you were given a 450 billion dollar defecit, and you turned it into a 1.4 trillion defecit, and then a 1.6 trillion deficit the year after...
There's no amount of "we inherited this problem from Bush" that will make people think otherwise.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I'll tell you one thing... there is no amount of campaigning that can be done that will convince people to vote for Obama for a second term in 2012. All anyone has to say is, you were given a 450 billion dollar defecit, and you turned it into a 1.4 trillion defecit, and then a 1.6 trillion deficit the year after...
There's no amount of "we inherited this problem from Bush" that will make people think otherwise.
Yeah, for people who actually use their brains. But we're talking about liberals here.....
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06:53 PM
Flamberge Member
Posts: 4268 From: Terra Sancta, TX Registered: Oct 2001
The same way they think they can "multiply wealth by dividing it", or cutting Medicare to save money to have universal health care, which will basically expand Medicare.
Now, take a wad of money out of your left pocket, stuff it in your right pocket,then borrow a bunch of money from several other people, steal even more from a bunch of other people, and put the whole wad in someone else's pocket and tell everyone how much wealth you just created, how much money you saved, and how your budget just grew. Welcome to progressive politician's math.
Fixed that for ya.
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05:58 AM
Curlrup Member
Posts: 2590 From: Havre De Grace, MD Registered: Apr 2007
Damn it indeed. We need a space program and human space flight. I hope Congress fixes this. The private sector is very close to launching "something" but not close to launching a human. I am all for saving money and being fiscally responsible but we have lead the way in space exploration, there have been way too many innovations that have come out of the space program to just kick it in the nuts. Lets take up a collection and buy one of the Shuttle orbitors for the $28 million asking price and start our own manned spaced program. I volunteer for the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in Downtown DC and at the fancy new place by the Dulles Airport in Virginia, they have the Shuttle Enterprise on display there and have first dibs on the retired orbiters. They are very excited to get one but I know they would wait a little longer to save manned spaceflight. I know some other space buffs that I volunteer with who are going to be very upset.
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ALLTRBO Member
Posts: 2023 From: College Park, MD Registered: Mar 2006
Not just because I have a vested interest, but I believe this is a wrong headed direction for US Human Space Flight.
Retiring the Shuttle without having it's replacement already flying was a bad idea.
Canceling the Shuttle's replacement altogether is ludicrous.
So for the foreseeable future the United States will have no Human Spaceflight capability, except what we can buy from private companies that haven't launched as much as a sausage into space.
That's like saying we won't have an Army because we can always hire mercenaries to do our fighting if we need them.
Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican I hope you can encourage your Senators and Congressperson to not accept this travesty.
+1, exactly!
*Heads off to to my job at NASA GSFC*
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07:30 AM
fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Obama is ass-backwards. He want the government to take over everything - banks, GM, healthcare - everything BUT the ONE thing government probably needs to run, NASA.
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09:55 AM
fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Damn it indeed. We need a space program and human space flight. I hope Congress fixes this. The private sector is very close to launching "something" but not close to launching a human. I am all for saving money and being fiscally responsible but we have lead the way in space exploration, there have been way too many innovations that have come out of the space program to just kick it in the nuts. Lets take up a collection and buy one of the Shuttle orbitors for the $28 million asking price and start our own manned spaced program. I volunteer for the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in Downtown DC and at the fancy new place by the Dulles Airport in Virginia, they have the Shuttle Enterprise on display there and have first dibs on the retired orbiters. They are very excited to get one but I know they would wait a little longer to save manned spaceflight. I know some other space buffs that I volunteer with who are going to be very upset.
Man, I love the Smithsonian. I grew up in Washington D.C.
My dad managed the Sheraton Washington Hotel & Wardmen Towers off the Woodley Park subway stop in D.C., so I lived in the Hotel for 5 years when I was a kid. That hotel is now a Hyatt I think? Anyway... I used to go to the Smithsonian ALL the time...
D.C. has to be one of my most favorite cities to live in. In many areas, it's just like living in New York or Boston, but with it's own culture. Everything has such a "federal" feel to it.
I live North of Baltimore but drive down just for the privlage of volunteering at the Air and Space Museum. DC does have a Federal feel to it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Man, I love the Smithsonian. I grew up in Washington D.C.
My dad managed the Sheraton Washington Hotel & Wardmen Towers off the Woodley Park subway stop in D.C., so I lived in the Hotel for 5 years when I was a kid. That hotel is now a Hyatt I think? Anyway... I used to go to the Smithsonian ALL the time...
D.C. has to be one of my most favorite cities to live in. In many areas, it's just like living in New York or Boston, but with it's own culture. Everything has such a "federal" feel to it.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
I volunteer for the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in Downtown DC and at the fancy new place by the Dulles Airport in Virginia, they have the Shuttle Enterprise on display there and have first dibs on the retired orbiters. They are very excited to get one but I know they would wait a little longer to save manned spaceflight. I know some other space buffs that I volunteer with who are going to be very upset.
The $28 Million is not to buy the Orbiters. They are "free" if NASA decides to donate it to your organization. The money is just for the preparation and transportation. And for that price you don't get a functioning space ship, just a museum piece. The Smithsonian is getting the Space Shuttle Discovery. That is a done deal. There is virtually nothing that can save the space shuttle program at this point.
The other two orbiters are up for grabs, and I would be very surprised if Kennedy Space Center didn't end up with one and Johnson Space Center and Air Force Museum at Wright-Pat and others will fight over the remaining one.
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