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Calculating pressure needed to punch hole in stainless steel tubing? by doublec4
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Report this Post12-30-2009 03:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
If I wanted to calculate the pressure needed to punch a 5/8 inch hole in stainless steel tubing, is there a formula for that? The stainless tubing is 0.028 inch thick, but I'm not sure what grade stainless it is. I can find the info about shear strength of stainless online, but I would imagine tubing would be stronger because of its geometry? I couldn't find info on that.

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Report this Post12-30-2009 03:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
Punch a hole with what?

(Not that I know , just curious.)

My advice would be do tests.
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Report this Post12-30-2009 03:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofetishSend a Private Message to fierofetishDirect Link to This Post
Through both walls of the tube, or just one? Drilling holes would probably be more effective, IMHO. Punching leads to severe distortion around the punched hole, unless it is fully supported against the punching action. And if it IS through both walls simultaneously, you won't be able to support the tube internally. More inforequired
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Report this Post12-30-2009 03:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
might hurt your knuckles too
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Report this Post12-30-2009 03:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hklvetteSend a Private Message to hklvetteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 2.5:

Punch a hole with what?

(Not that I know , just curious.)

My advice would be do tests.


Agreed. Not enough information. Are you referring to burst pressure?
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Report this Post12-30-2009 04:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
Unless your going to be doing a lot of them drilling would be the best approach.

http://www.thefabricator.co...n_Article.cfm?ID=577
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Report this Post12-30-2009 06:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroReinkeSend a Private Message to FieroReinkeDirect Link to This Post
As stated earlier, if you are only doing one or two then drilling is much better. If you are doing thousands you will need to have a support that goes inside the tube and the od matches the id of the tube. You say the thickness is .028, but what is the diameter of the tube? If it is a large diameter and you are supporting it then you can assume it is nearly the same as flat sheet.
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Report this Post12-30-2009 06:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post
There will be a lot of them... It would just be through one wall. I'm not sure what you mean by burst pressure.
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Report this Post12-30-2009 06:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
If you are talking about using a punch press, you have problems. The punch is only 1/2 the tool. The underside has to be supported by a die with an id just a few thousandths bigger than the od size of the punch.

Trying to just 'punch' thru the wall with nothing to support the underside will likely destroy the punch and will certainly distort the pipe--not to mention resulting in a non-gage hole--if you even get a hole thru it. Non-gage meaning incorrect size.
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Report this Post12-30-2009 07:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ls3machSend a Private Message to ls3machDirect Link to This Post
I sell stainless steel for a living. Punching through that tube is not going to happen without a proper punch setup. .028 is a thin wall. What is the OD of the tubing? Also, we are talking about tubing here and not pipe, correct? Best way to go through it would be a drill press, unless you have the proper setup for a a punch machine, would is rather expensive and you probably wouldn't be asking us this question if you did. What size whole are you trying to make? A little help here please.
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Report this Post12-30-2009 07:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
He wants to punch a .625 hole--he didn't mention +/- tolerances.

 
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.028 is thinwall

That's an understatement!! Less than 1/32" wall thickness. Drilling stainless that thin is going to take a very high spindle speed if you want any kind of nice looking hole.

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i suppose 30-06 would make too small a hole?
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Report this Post12-30-2009 07:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ls3machSend a Private Message to ls3machDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by maryjane:

He wants to punch a .625 hole--he didn't mention +/- tolerances.

That's an understatement!! Less than 1/32" wall thickness. Drilling stainless that thin is going to take a very high spindle speed if you want any kind of nice looking hole.



While .028 is a thin wall, in it's 1/2" form it still has an allowable working pressure of over 1000psi. Tubing is instrumentation grade stuff and built for high pressure applications. Problem is that it isn't made as a structural. Anyway, was it said what the OD of the tubing is?
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Report this Post12-30-2009 08:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
no, but obviosly somewhat larger than 5/8 od, since that is his target hole size.

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Report this Post12-31-2009 12:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ls3machSend a Private Message to ls3machDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by maryjane:

no, but obviosly somewhat larger than 5/8 od, since that is his target hole size.



Well .028 wall only goes up to 1", so that only leave 3/4, 7/8 and 1". Really need some more information to help him out here, best (cheapest) bet is probably a drill press and a nice bit.
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quote
Originally posted by maryjane:

He wants to punch a .625 hole--he didn't mention +/- tolerances.

That's an understatement!! Less than 1/32" wall thickness. Drilling stainless that thin is going to take a very high spindle speed if you want any kind of nice looking hole.



Hit it with this.......



then use a reamer to clean up the edges and get the size you want.
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