When told the reason for daylight savings time and old Indian said "Only the Government would believe that you could cut a foot of the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket". I guess that is why they are a "smart" state.

Awe that old indian ain't so amart either. You don't cut off the bottom and sew it to the top. You just pull tha blanket up to cover more on top.

lol - that is a great way to look at it!

but, I guess the difference being, their life is not organized around the mighy "clock"
and, yes, these days of the 24 hr schedule, daylight savings time does seem a bit dated

I erally never understood how some states can have it and sonme not, and yet they interact with eachother, and ship things to eachother. Seems such a hassle.

The idea was implemented during the war, but it's just plain stupid now. If ever a law should be repealed, this would be the one.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: ... [an] old Indian said ...

I have to note that even though the State of Arizona doesn't observe Daylight Saving Time, the "wise old Indians" of the Navajo Nation, whose huge reservation lies almost entirely within Arizona, do observe it. You can wear your watch out in the summer driving from New Mexico into Arizona, into the Navajo reservation, and then into the Hopi reservation.

FWIW, I will once again remind everyone that Daylight Saving Time was first proposed as a joke by Benjamin Franklin in his whimsical essay, "An Economical Project for Diminishing the Cost of Light,'' published in the Journal de Paris, April 26, 1784.

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One county in AZ does have it, go figure.

I admire Ken's wit and thinking.

quote Ken Wittlief We were kicking around some ideas on how to get rid of daylight savings time, and I think we have the answer. Set the offical time 30 MINUTES IN BETWEEN and call it even.

Every time I hear the Alan Jackson/Jimmy Buffet song, It's five o'clock somewhere, I just want to scream.

The lyrics are as follows:

Pour me something tall and strong
Make it a hurricane
Before I go insane
It's only half past 12
But, I don't care
It's 5 o'clock somewhere


If it's half past 12, it's impossible to be 5 o'clock ANYWHERE!!

I like DST. The sun coming up at 5-6 AM does me no good. I ain't getting up that early to enjoy it. But an extra hour of sunlight in the evenings is nice. I wish we could stay on DST year round.
In the Fall when the time changes and it starts getting dark around 5:30.... that's normal time. DST is in the Summer.

I do believe that Newfoundland runs at 1/2 hr difference than the rest of the world

quote Originally posted by Phil: I do believe that Newfoundland runs at 1/2 hr difference than the rest of the world

There are a few countries that are 1/2 hr off.
When it's 12:30 in Madrid, it's 5:00 in Rangoon.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I erally never understood how some states can have it and sonme not, and yet they interact with eachother, and ship things to eachother. Seems such a hassle.

Try talking to drivers who are spread out across 48 states. Their appointments are set for the time zone in which the shipper or receiver is located but their logbooks are always on the time standard of their home terminal. Being an Arizona based carrier, that is Mountain Standard year round; but some are convinced that in the summer, we change to Pacific Time because when California switches to Pacific Daylight Time, they happen to agree with Mountain Standard. It is Madness I tell you, MADNESS!


Oh, and great blanket analogy avengador1. That describes it perfectly.

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Arizona was also the last state to enact MLK day as a holiday.

I have to say, I like DST. Not for whatever energy savings it allegedly creates however. I simply prefer my daylight in the evenings, as opposed to the mornings. Yeah, that is a bit selfish, bit I work 7-4:30 normally, and the more daylight after I am off, the better.

Other than that, I see little reason for it.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Arizona was also the last state to enact MLK day as a holiday.

And, Arizona is the only state that enacted the holiday by a direct vote of the people.

Arizona will never have DST and Oregon will never have a state sales tax.

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quote Originally posted by williegoat: Try talking to drivers who are spread out across 48 states. Their appointments are set for the time zone in which the shipper or receiver is located but their logbooks are always on the time standard of their home terminal. Being an Arizona based carrier, that is Mountain Standard year round; but some are convinced that in the summer, we change to Pacific Time because when California switches to Pacific Daylight Time, they happen to agree with Mountain Standard. It is Madness I tell you, MADNESS!

Agreed. I'm in transportation, and our corporate office is in California, we get flights in daily from back east, and have trucks coming in from all over the U.S. The whole DST thing is a headache. Most of our time is reported in Zulu, but a lot of people don't seem to comprehend it so it just adds confusion.

P.S. whereabouts in Glendale are you?

quote Originally posted by Fformula88: I have to say, I like DST. Not for whatever energy savings it allegedly creates however. I simply prefer my daylight in the evenings, as opposed to the mornings. Yeah, that is a bit selfish, bit I work 7-4:30 normally, and the more daylight after I am off, the better. Other than that, I see little reason for it.

Exactly!

The argument against that is that it will leave the kids standing in the dark, waiting for the schoolbus or walking to school.
But that happens a great portion of the time, anyway.

365 DST!

quote Originally posted by GT86: . . Most of our time is reported in Zulu, . . .

Interesting. I've never seen a picture of a Zulu wearing a watch, just carrying the spears.

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quote Originally posted by heybjorn: I've never seen a picture of a Zulu wearing a watch ...

I was in South Africa on business many years ago, and I saw a lot of Zulus wearing watches. It was kinda' weird dining in an upscale restaurant and being served by a waiter with decorative scars on his face.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Exactly! The argument against that is that it will leave the kids standing in the dark, waiting for the schoolbus or walking to school. But that happens a great portion of the time, anyway. 365 DST!

If you don't like the time zone you are in, lobby to change it. Then you can have 365 DST like Arizona which should be in the Pacific Time Zone.

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A brief history of DST:
In 1784 Benjamin Franklin posted a paper (An Economical object) that described DST in a way that it would save money. Other arguments were that we were wasting daylight in the summer by not getting up when the sun did.

However, both these Ideas are outdated. Franklin was working with oil lamps. Today we have electric lights, street lamps, and headlights. Economically too, turning on a modern light it thousands of times easier and cheaper, plus, it's not like we're walking to work in the dark.

BTW these are arguments for the year round use of DST. When daylight saving time is in effect, it's summer.

This is the website I used, this link shows a good picture of the world and what countries use, used to use, and never used DST.
http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

Did you know that DST can kill you?
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/03/300.asp
and
http://www.mcmaster.ca/inab...wo.html#introduction
A search will produce many other links.

it is just a era nixon neo-conned plot to make everyone get up early

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I was in South Africa on business many years ago, and I saw a lot of Zulus wearing watches.

But I haven't had the broad travel experience you have, MM.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Awe that old indian ain't so amart either. You don't cut off the bottom and sew it to the top. You just pull tha blanket up to cover more on top.

Guess that explains why so many palefaces have cold feet.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Guess that explains why so many palefaces have cold feet.

I'd just say the palefaces pulled the blanket over those indians heads.

quote Originally posted by rpro: If it's half past 12, it's impossible to be 5 o'clock ANYWHERE!!

Obviously, you have never been to Afghanistan!

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DST is a northern state/province thing. It has to do with short winter days vs long summer days, and the fact that people like to extend their outside activities later in good weather.

The DST allowed farmers to stay out in their fields and for folks to not have to turn on lights as early.

There are areas it does not make sense to use IMHO, but that is essentially it.

Arn

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yup, the further north you are, the more it means
in the tropics - its moot - being the days & nights are 12 hours, everyday, year round

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: DST is a northern state/province thing. It has to do with short winter days vs long summer days, and the fact that people like to extend their outside activities later in good weather. The DST allowed farmers to stay out in their fields and for folks to not have to turn on lights as early. There are areas it does not make sense to use IMHO, but that is essentially it. Arn

While you may be correct on most, I can't go with the farmers in the field getting any more time in the fields. I've never met a farmer that did much agriculturally by the clock. If it's dry enough to plant, they are in the fields planting, if the time and conditions are right for harvest, they're out in the fields harvesting regardless of the time of day.

Ron

quote Originally posted by GT86: Most of our time is reported in Zulu, but a lot of people don't seem to comprehend it so it just adds confusion.

Click Click Pop?


Brad

quote Originally posted by blackrams: While you may be correct on most, I can't go with the farmers in the field getting any more time in the fields. I've never met a farmer that did much agriculturally by the clock. If it's dry enough to plant, they are in the fields planting, if the time and conditions are right for harvest, they're out in the fields harvesting regardless of the time of day. Ron

True, in Winter in Minnesota though, not much planting goin on.
Maybe spreading cow poop.

If it adds an hour of light to everyone, maybe less electricity gets used?

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: If it adds an hour of light to everyone, maybe less electricity gets used?

This.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: If it adds an hour of light to everyone, maybe less electricity gets used?

Well, I can tell you how there would be one hour less used at my house. Make East Coast Time the same as Central. I hate having to stay up that extra hour to watch the evening news.

I know, waa, waa, waa. Cry me a river. Want a little meal to go along with that whine?

Ron

I'd hate to think anyone would TIVO the news, but you could, and watch it in the morning?

quote Originally posted by spark1: Arizona will never have DST and Oregon will never have a state sales tax.

Same thing Indiana said for years. Now we have the stupid DST.

To the OP:

quote "Why Arizona doesn't have daylight savings time"

Cuz they're smarter than the rest of the country.

Take a look at this site: http://www.sunrisesunset.com/

You can see sunrise and sunset times in Phoenix (ST) are about the same as other cities that are on DST. With daytime temperatures just now falling below a hundred degrees F, would any sane person in Phoenix really want another hour of daylight on a summer afternoon?

edit: Should note that many construction workers and even some in the Department of Transportation work "summer hours" to avoid an hour or two of the afternoon heat, not to extend their leisure sunlight time.

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I just remembered a funny thing: Me and my dad were sitting in a train station or something and the news was on. They were talking about when to set your clocks, and all of a sudden, some guy in the front of the room blurted out, "Damn government, the last thing us farmers need is another hour of sunlight to burn our crops in the summer." I don't think anybody said anything, just sat there and giggled. I'm pretty sure he was serious to.