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In Texas and Arkansas--widest load you can haul without a permit or escort? by maryjane
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Report this Post09-24-2009 04:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
Not farm machinery. Pre fab building--walls and floor, but not assembled, just stacked on a lowboy. Little Rock Ark to Hou Texas area.

I've looked and looked, and can't find how wide of an object I can legally pull on a lowboy without it being a "wide load". Part of route is interstate--part US 69, US 59. Anybody?
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Report this Post09-24-2009 05:03 AM Click Here to See the Profile for williegoatClick Here to visit williegoat's HomePageSend a Private Message to williegoatDirect Link to This Post
Here is a link to Texas info:
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/...it/weight_limits.htm
Texas is easy, you can order over the internet or just call them.
I will look up AR in a minute.

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Report this Post09-24-2009 05:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
 
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Legal width limit 8', 6" (102")
Maximum width permitted on holidays 14', except for manufactured housing
Maximum width permitted on controlled access highways* (Interstate Highway System) 16', except for manufactured housing
Maximum width permitted without route and traffic studies and certification by applicant on file 20'
Maximum width permitted for new houses 34'
Maximum width permitted for existing houses 40'
Maximum width permitted for new tanks 34'
Maximum width permitted for existing tanks 40'
Maximum width permitted for portable buildings No limit
Maximum width for manufactured housing No limit


So, anything over 102" has to have some sort of permit?

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Report this Post09-24-2009 05:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for williegoatClick Here to visit williegoat's HomePageSend a Private Message to williegoatDirect Link to This Post
Here is a link to Arkansas:
http://www.arkansashighways...rweight_permits.aspx
You can just give them a call.
In general, on any federally funded highway you will be limited to 102" wide, 13'6' high and no length limit with a legal trailer, usually 53'
Here is another useful link for over-dimensional info:
http://pilotcars.com/

I used to be in the flatbed business and I have ordered many, many oversize and overweight permits across the country. Most states are easy and very helpful if you just call them.
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Yes over 102" you need a permit. On some non federally funded roads it could be less, so it may not hurt to call, once you know your routing. Single trip permits don't cost much and usually give you a few days.

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Also important to note:
Most states will not issue a permit for a reducible load. If you could have disassembled it further or loaded it differently (maybe stand up the wall panels and be legal height).
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Also, once you have your permits make sure you are aware of any travel restrictions such as daylight only travel and curfews in some cities; and any requirements for flags, signs and lights. If you have any questions, I will try to help as best I can.
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Report this Post09-24-2009 05:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
Thanks Wiilie Goat.--this isn't a commercial endeavor, just a regular 20' lowboy trailer you see hauling little farm tractors or Fieros. A pre-fab, but not completely assembled storage building my brother has in Little Rock, that he wants to haul down here. The two 14' L and two 16' L X 8' tall walls would be ok, but the floor will not. Floor assy is 14' X 16'.

I tried to tell him just to cut everything to length, mark the floor joists and plates, put it all on his trailer unassembled and build it all in place in one-2 days, but he won't listen. He is NOT a carpenter, and doesn't want to try building it in a weekend down on Bolivar Pennisula.
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Report this Post09-24-2009 05:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for williegoatClick Here to visit williegoat's HomePageSend a Private Message to williegoatDirect Link to This Post
14' wide in TX you might need a pilot car. Now you have to think about whether it is cost effective.
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Report this Post09-24-2009 07:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 84fiero123Send a Private Message to 84fiero123Direct Link to This Post
You need to go by federal laws because you are traveling interstate. 102” is the limit.

that’s 8 and a half feet wide. It is a safety thing.

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No, you don't Steve.

I've never seen any US Federal Highway Patrol Officers. Each State's DOT sets the rules for their own areas of Interstate they take care of. In CO, for instance, I can tow farm equipment behind my pickup as long as I maintain minimum speed on Interstate. In KS I can NOT tow farm equipment on Interstate directly, it has to be on a trailer.

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You need to go by federal laws because you are traveling interstate. 102” is the limit.

that’s 8 and a half feet wide. It is a safety thing.

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Don, I have had the understanding (for many years) that one could have two feet hanging off the passenger side of a truck or trailer. I also have the understanding that the maximum width of a vehicle is eight feet.
How wide are the unassembled panels ?
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Report this Post09-24-2009 08:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 84fiero123Send a Private Message to 84fiero123Direct Link to This Post
I stand corrected
this may be of some help.

http://www.wideloadshipping...ng_com_state_re.html

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Neat link, Steve. When we haul oversize equipment across state lines we'd just call the state DOT's that we were going to be moving through, but it's nice to have a website like that so you at least know what to expect.

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I stand corrected
this may be of some help.

http://www.wideloadshipping...ng_com_state_re.html


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The Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982 sets limits for size and weight on federally funded highways “the national network”. States can set higher limits, but cannot go below the STAA rules on the national network, however they can set any limit they like on there own roads.

Link to the regs:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/ru...ils.aspx?menukey=658

The FMCSR's are my business, I read them on a daily basis.
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Report this Post09-24-2009 10:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ray bSend a Private Message to ray bDirect Link to This Post
in Fla the fine was less then the permit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for hauling a 12ft wide boat

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Originally posted by ray b:

in Fla the fine was less then the permit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for hauling a 12ft wide boat



And after they write you a ticket, they make you buy a permit.
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Originally posted by williegoat:


And after they write you a ticket, they make you buy a permit.


Hmmm, I'm guessing he didn't think of that.

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Report this Post09-24-2009 10:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
Question: what's the widest load you can haul without a permit in AR and TX?
Answer: your wife

snicker, snicker

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I'll be sure to pass that on to her Bear.
If I quit posting--assume the worst and also assume she is headed west--armed and pissed.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

I'll be sure to pass that on to her Bear.
If I quit posting--assume the worst and also assume she is headed west--armed and pissed.


That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, by the way.

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Originally posted by fierobear:


That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, by the way.


Too late Bear, I heard there was a storm brewing in SE Texas headed West. I'd be taking cover if I was you.

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Too late Bear, I heard there was a storm brewing in SE Texas headed West. I'd be taking cover if I was you.

Ron


It's only about 1500 miles from here, but I'll take your advice just in case. Hell hath no fury...

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Originally posted by fierobear:


It's only about 1500 miles from here, but I'll take your advice just in case. Hell hath no fury...


1500 miles? Short trip for her. I guess you missed my posts about her driving habits........
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If you stand up the 14' floor as a wall, then lean it over so it's only 8' wide, the height should come down to about 11-1/2 feet. Can you put it on the trailer diagonally, and still have it short enough?

You've seen them hauling stuff like this before, haven't you? Building a frame to hold it up at that angle may not be worth it, though.
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Originally posted by Zeb:

If you stand up the 14' floor as a wall, then lean it over so it's only 8' wide, the height should come down to about 11-1/2 feet. Can you put it on the trailer diagonally, and still have it short enough?

You've seen them hauling stuff like this before, haven't you? Building a frame to hold it up at that angle may not be worth it, though.


Might be a good idea. Remember the Pythagorean theorem?
This is a good practical application. It depends on how high your trailer deck is and it might not leave any room for the other panels.
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