I hear a lot of blame being placeed on the President.

But doesn't congress have to OK everything?
Which WE elected from our own hometowns, right?
So THEY are the ones that are betraying us, correct?

And while we are there, a MAJORITY of the citizens of the U.S.A. voted for this President, right?
So that means that most of the country decided this was what was best for us.
If all those voters could do it over, would they vote different?

If all those voters changed their minds TODAY, what could be done about it?
Could he be removed?
Would Congress back it?

Or is Congress satisfied with the direction the President is taking?
If so, how could we all be so wrong?

How do we change it?
Wait 4 years?

If so many people are pissed, then they have already wrote their elected representitives and conveyed their unwillingness to keep them on the payroll if they did not do something about it, right?
I mean, with all of the above, our system is working perfectly, correct?

Something just don't seem to add up........................

P.S. I have been holding out my judgement of the Presidents performance until I get get a good feel where he was headed & how it was all going to come together. So far, it's not looking to good, i'm affraid.

Alot of people aren't actually pissed, but we are the ones that are.
The people that aren't bought the media cake and ate it too.

The only thing I know we can do is tell our representatives what we think.

here is one way to contact them:
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

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The president sets the policy. Congress writes the laws and controls the purse strings, but the president has veto power.

As for what people voted for, from what I've seen most of them voted for "change" or "anybody but Bush." They got that. Obama isn't Bush. And his policies certainly are a change. I personally think it's change for the worse, but the Obama supporters are only interested in him not being Bush. That's enough for them.

If you want to change anything, you'll get your first chance during the 2010 mid-term elections.

IBTN.

Always a good sign when this is the first thing that pops up on a page to contact your Congressman.

quote ¿Quiere ponerse en contacto con miembros del Congreso en Español?

$%#%$@

Brad

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: ................. And while we are there, a MAJORITY of the citizens of the U.S.A. voted for this President, right? So that means that most of the country decided this was what was best for us. If all those voters could do it over, would they vote different? ........................

We deserve the government we elect.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: the Obama supporters are only interested in him not being Bush. That's enough for them. IBTN.

Yep

quote Originally posted by Formula88: As for what people voted for, from what I've seen most of them voted for "change" or "anybody but Bush."

But someone else besides Obama was running and he wasn't Bush, either.
So this must have been the better man.

On A Side Note: We just had an election for Anchorage Mayor . We had a 24% voter turnout.

Hmmm...change...for change's sake. There's such a thing as bad change, nobody wanted to listen.

Oklahoma, the redest of the red states, hasn't suffered the severity of this recession like most others have and I believe it's due in large part to the fact that we still hold to conservative values for the most part. Now I see all the liberals in the state trying to "change" things to make us like the rest of the country. I'm thinking "Oh yeah, so we can go farther downhill like everyone else? 8.something% unemployment isn't enough for ya?".

Yeah, I'm lookin' for change...change back to something that was at least working somewhat.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I hear a lot of blame being placeed on the President. But doesn't congress have to OK everything? Which WE elected from our own hometowns, right? So THEY are the ones that are betraying us, correct? And while we are there, a MAJORITY of the citizens of the U.S.A. voted for this President, right? So that means that most of the country decided this was what was best for us. If all those voters could do it over, would they vote different? If all those voters changed their minds TODAY, what could be done about it? Could he be removed? Would Congress back it? Or is Congress satisfied with the direction the President is taking? If so, how could we all be so wrong? How do we change it? Wait 4 years? If so many people are pissed, then they have already wrote their elected representitives and conveyed their unwillingness to keep them on the payroll if they did not do something about it, right? I mean, with all of the above, our system is working perfectly, correct? Something just don't seem to add up........................ P.S. I have been holding out my judgement of the Presidents performance until I get get a good feel where he was headed & how it was all going to come together. So far, it's not looking to good, i'm affraid.

Well.... it works the other way too... the Congress and the Senate creates everything, and then it's the President ultimately that must "OK" everything.

However, if the president vetos something, it always goes back to the house and if the HOUSE wants to, they can ultimately pass something without the permission of the President. This was to prevent the president from having ULTIMATE power basically.... so like... lets say we had a president that went clinically insane, and we needed to pass legislature or a bill that would kick him from office. The president could veto all of these, but ultimately the house could decide otherwise and the president would be ousted.

Of course he could always be impeached, and then it would be up to the Judiciary branch, but whatever...

The President certainly has LOTS of power, but a 1-party Senate is also extremely powerful. An ideal situation would be a senate that is totally split down the line, or... if the senate has a majority to one party, then ideally you would want a president who's of the other power. This means that, if things NEED to get done, they will, but you don't have any one party that's pushing the pendulum too far to one side.

If I'm honest, it's really scary right now...

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But someone else besides Obama was running and he wasn't Bush, either. So this must have been the better man. On A Side Note: We just had an election for Anchorage Mayor . We had a 24% voter turnout.

Thats whereit comes in that I said they "bought the cake and ate it too".
They were convinvced by a twisted media blitz that McCain was Bush.
Not to mention since people won't vote for a party other than Dem or Repub no one else stood a chance.

The president is the lightning rod for whatever goes wrong. It doesn't matter who is in office. Barry is having his love fest for now and he is not held accountable for anything that is wrong, that was Bush's fault. Barry is a good Chicago politician and he will have his minions fall on the sword when things go wrong (AF 1 flying over NYC) or other tax cheats failing the approval process (Dashel).

The problem that exists is that many in elected office feel it is a life time job (Specter, Polosi, Harry Reed etc) and those are the ones who need to lose elections, but have the influence to command lots of money for re-election year after year. Term limits would eliminate that, but they will never allow that to happen or come to a vote.

A one party president, house and senate are dangerous as party policies will just roll through, for the main objective of the parties is just like that of unions, to grow and prosper for the organization they represent.

The blame is with the house and senate which has had a lower approval rate than even GWB in his worse days. But the foolish people keep re-electing the same members, so in reality the blame is with whoever looks back at you in the mirror.

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: But the foolish people keep re-electing the same members, so in reality the blame is with whoever looks back at you in the mirror.

Then WE are those people.
So we should be calling ourselves idiots.
Becouse once the election is over, we should move as one.
Majority says the most qualified man got the job.
Nobody would have hired an incompedent, ignorant, criminal, or evil man.
Our system is based on this.
The system is working.

I feel better now.

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Just curious, Boonie, why weren't you thinking of this question when Bush was in office and the Dems controlled the house and senate? Didn't it apply then as now?

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Just curious, Boonie, why weren't you thinking of this question when Bush was in office and the Dems controlled the house and senate? Didn't it apply then as now? John Stricker

Me "not thinking of this question when Bush was in office" is an asumption on your part.
But I don't remember if I did think about it related to Bush, or not.

Yes, I think it did apply, but with a unique twist: His Father ruled before him.
Some were thinking it was like getting a 2-for-1 deal.

I'm sure I was thinking about the same question, I just don't remember if I posted about it.
But I have always wondered why it seemed to work the way it does.

But lets face it, the people in congress, under Bush, who are supposed to speak for ME, let a BUNCH of stuff get by them, that was their job NOT TO.
Practiclly NO ONE read the "Patriot Act" before signing it?!!

THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN FIRED ON THE SPOT FOR THAT!!!!
That was falling down on the job at possibly the most importent time in History!

P.S. Politics is not something I am well informed about. I mostly just shoot from the hip, and miss more often then I hit.

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We are those people.

Some of us are idiots, some just not so bright, some average, some a it above average, and a very few briliant. As has always been the case.

No, we should not "move as one". What President Obama wishes this country to become, along with Reid and Palosi, I see as one of the most destructive paths to our nation we can take and I will NOT "move as one" down that path.

Our system is NOT based on this. Our system is based on dissent, checks, and balances.

The system is working sometimes. For the first 100 days, it has not been working for the following reasons:

1) Dissent has been brushed under the carpet and not reported by most of the media
2) Congress has rubber stamped everything the President has sent them hence no "checks and balances"
3) The media is still having a love affair with the President and will not report anything negative that's come up since he's been in office, as it pertains to him. Case in point, how much have you heard on the mainstream media about Obama's plans (I say jokingly) to close Gitmo and wanting $80 million when he has no idea what to do with those kept there so the House turned him down on the money? Hear anything about that? Of course not. Maybe one quick line. If that had been a Republican congress do that to Bush it would have been "overwhelming evidence" of discord in the party, but now, nahh, it's no big deal.

The hypocrisy and double standard of those that ARE supposed to be the "checks and balances" are sickening to me, moreso even that Obamas vision for what the country should be.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Then WE are those people. So we should be calling ourselves idiots. Becouse once the election is over, we should move as one. Majority says the most qualified man got the job. Our system is based on this. The system is working. I feel better now.

quote Originally posted by jstricker: The hypocrisy and double standard of those that ARE supposed to be the "checks and balances" are sickening to me,

How do we fix that?
I mean, they ARE NOT doing their jobs, right?

It's all a matter of perspective.

You may have "thought" of it, but apparently you never gave enough attention to bother MENTIONING it here before. If you had, and done even a little bit of research, you'd have found that when the economy went in the tank was after the Dems took control of congress.

As far as I'm concerned, every single senator and representative should be subject to recall that votes for Obamas budget. It is so far out of line with regard to recklessly increasing the national debt that it has very real potential to wreck our economy. Now how many Republicans have been voting for this stuff?

Sorry, Boonie, no free pass on this one for you. You complain that while Bush was in office they let a lot of things "slip by". Now that it's not slipping by, but being railroaded through at the President's urging, you want to blame congress? Not gonna fly. Perhaps one of the things they let "slip by" was waterboarding? They didn't let it slip by, they knew all about it (at least Polosi did) and approved it! I don't expect you to keep up with politics daily, but I do expect you to maintain something you've always had, a sense of fairness.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Me " not thinking of this question when Bush was in office" is an asumption on your part. But I don't remember if I did think about it related to Bush. Yes, I think it did apply, but with a unique twist: His Father ruled before him. Some were thinking it was like getting a 2-for-1 deal. I'm sure I was thinking about the same question, I just don't remember if I posted about it. But I have always wondered why it seemed to work the way it does. But lets face it, the people in congress, under Bush, who are supposed to speak for ME, let a BUNCH of stuff get by them, that was their job NOT TO. Practiclly NO ONE read the "Patriot Act" before signing it?!! THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN FIRED ON THE SPOT FOR THAT!!!! That was falling down on the job at possibly the most importent time in History! P.S. Politics is not something I am well informed about. I mostly just shoot from the hip, and miss more often then I hit.

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Just curious, Boonie, why weren't you thinking of this question when Bush was in office and the Dems controlled the house and senate? Didn't it apply then as now? John Stricker

At least people are starting to actually review how the system works. My hope is enough people will start understanding things to instill a bit of fear into our elected criminals. Boonie's questions are late but at least people are questioning.

The almost complete ignorance I find in the majority of people is staggering. Truly we don't deserve better representation.
I have come to believe that this is supposed to be the way it is. For every action comes a reaction.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Majority says the most qualified man got the job. Nobody would have hired an incompedent, ignorant, criminal, or evil man. Our system is based on this. The system is working. I feel better now.

you forgot the smiley I think
Roll eyes (sarcastic)

Placing Blame?
lol - of course - because noone wants to blame THEMSELVES

How many elected people are there? from the way everyone is spouting off - there is only ONE
there was the ONE elected official, Bushy, and now there is the ONE elected official, Obamama

who are YOUR states representatives? obviously, being on the internet right now, you can google it up, and answer - BUT - kinda shows the point - people have no idea. Who is the Mayor of your City? administrator of your county? treasurer of your county?
and, where does this single elected offical come from? up thru the processes, which are largly ignored.
much like Playoff sports fans. only intrested for the playoffs. have no idea where the players came from - but here they are!

if we continue to allow the good ones to be eatin alive before they even make it past City Clerk - all you are ever gonna get is the duuuphas parade known as the Democrats and Republicans

but, I suppose that is the plan. make sure everyone is to busy to keep an eye. we dont even have Moms to raise our kids anymore - they must be sent into the labor force.

anyways - the only answer which has universally worked thru out history: find a way to dispose of people.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But someone else besides Obama was running and he wasn't Bush, either. So this must have been the better man. On A Side Note: We just had an election for Anchorage Mayor . We had a 24% voter turnout.

This is faulty logic- though maybe your italics indicate this, lol. But McCain was painted by the media and the dems as "McBush," or "4 more years of Bush," thus putting the idea out that it "was" Bush running again. People voted as much on anti-bush sentiment as Obama was the better man. IMHO.

And on the "Majority of Americans" voted for Obama? Well, frankly, I don't consider 53% to 46% to be a massive majority. That's not a long ways off from a split electorate. Consider that McCain was painted as "McBush" and that seems even closer than it looks. IMHO.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But someone else besides Obama was running and he wasn't Bush, either. So this must have been the better man. On A Side Note: We just had an election for Anchorage Mayor . We had a 24% voter turnout.

Not if you listened to any Democrats. How many times did you hear the name "McSame" used to describe McCain?
Obama won the election is because he was running against a man who wasn't in the election.

And regardless of any candidates in history, being elected doesn't mean they must be the "better" man. Preferred, perhaps, but not necessarily better.
You already knew that, though.

Obama won by electorial votes....not the same a popular vote. Id be curious to see the stats for how many actual people voted for each.

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: We deserve the government we elect.

What about those of us who DIDN'T vote for the hopey-dopey government giveaway train?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: anyways - the only answer which has universally worked thru out history: find a way to dispose of people.

So many are saying this lately I am starting to think someone might make it happen.

Maybe the root of the blame is really our parents.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: What about those of us who DIDN'T vote for the hopey-dopey government giveaway train?

Some of us 'voted' by staying home.

Some of us voted for a third or fourth party candidate, not considering that those votes could have made a difference, even if they were for the lesser of two evils. I certainly wasn't a McCain fan, but he was the only chance against the leftists we now have in office, so I voted for him.

Some of us aren't informed and don't wish to be about the issues that affect our daily lives and our future.

Some of us vote for the kind of government we now have in spite of the 'knowns' before the election.

We deserve what we got.