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18 and 20 years old... crazy kids. BTW, this is news, not politics. Keep that crap out or I'll bean you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/..._el_pr/skinhead_plot
WASHINGTON – Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.

In all, the two men whom officials describe as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people — 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the court documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects — Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark. — Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

The two were charged by federal authorities Monday with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

Cowart and Schlesselman are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

Jasper Taylor, city attorney in Bells, said Cowart was arrested on Wednesday. He was held for a few days in Bells, then moved over the weekend to another facility.

"It was kept under lid until today," Taylor said.

Until his arrest, Cowart lived with his grandparents in a southern, rural part of the county, Taylor said, adding that Cowart apparently never graduated from high school. He moved away, possibly to Arkansas or Texas, then returned over the summer, Taylor said.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the African-American school they were targeting by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

He added: "They seemed determined to do it. Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

An ATF affidavit filed in the case says Cowart and Schlesselman told investigators the day they were arrested they had shot at a glass window at Beech Grove Church of Christ, a congregation of about 60 black members in Brownsville, Tenn.

Nelson Bond, the church secretary and treasurer, said no one was at the church when the shot was fired. Members found the bullet had shattered the glass in the church's front door when they arrived for evening Bible study.

"We have been on this site for about 120 years, and we have never had a problem like this before," said Bond, 53 and a church member for 45 years.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. He said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

At this point, there does not appear to be any formal assassination plan, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said.

"Whether or not they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out an attack remains to be seen," he said.

Zahren said the statements about the assassination came out in interviews after the men were arrested last week.

The Secret Service became involved in the investigation once it was clear that an Obama assassination attempt was part of this violent far-reaching plot.

"We don't discount anything," Zahren said, adding that it's one thing for the defendants to make statements, but it's not the same as having an organized assassination plan.

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

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White Supremacist usually vote Democrat. Just like ol' Fred Phelps is a big Democrat, even raising money for Al Gore.

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Originally posted by Wichita:

White Supremacist usually vote Democrat. Just like ol' Fred Phelps is a big Democrat, even raising money for Al Gore.



Yeah right, Fred Phelps supports rights protection for gays, so he'll have something to do on the weekend.
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Originally posted by Wichita:

White Supremacist usually vote Democrat. Just like ol' Fred Phelps is a big Democrat, even raising money for Al Gore.



Not really a surprise considering most white supremacist's are from a low income background. Which is the biggest part of them turning to such stupidity they need someone to blame for their current condition.
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Not really a surprise considering most white supremacist's are from a low income background. Which is the biggest part of them turning to such stupidity they need someone to blame for their current condition.


I disagree with that observation. I personally think there are more educated ones, but the ones you SEE are the lower income/educated ones. The others know the ramifications of expressing their opinions in this day and age and hide.

The more educated 'hidden members' are less radical as well, for the most part
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I keep waiting for Hillary to be the nominee. It would be weird if Obama was assassinated before he even got to office.

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"Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

I say respect their wishes, and lets it teach those that contemplate it we dont mess around.. Shuuua right like this country has the galls!
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Originally posted by IEatRice:

I keep waiting for Hillary to be the nominee. It would be weird if Obama was assassinated before he even got to office.



I think he if is elected, he wont last 6 months before someone (that wont be telling all his friends and get derailed ) will assassinate him.
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while it sure sounds everything was done right - I often wonder about people being arrested for "plots" to kill somebody. This means they are getting arrested before having actually done anything wrong. yes, in this case - being neo-nazi's & targetting black's - not a big reach - and, waiting for them to actually aquire weapons to move in.
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

while it sure sounds everything was done right - I often wonder about people being arrested for "plots" to kill somebody. This means they are getting arrested before having actually done anything wrong. yes, in this case - being neo-nazi's & targetting black's - not a big reach - and, waiting for them to actually aquire weapons to move in.


You can be arrested for even making a joke, if its a sitting president.

And i agree, at what point does being arrested for 'intent' cross the line into the thought police?
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There probably has never been and will probably never be a candidate for president that has not been targeted for asassination.

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There probably has never been and will probably never be a candidate for president that has not been targeted for asassination.



oh, i agree on that, i just think this time it will happen. Regardless of one's political leanings, it would be bad and create chaos.
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Hey, it's just news, not political.
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I think he if is elected, he wont last 6 months before someone (that wont be telling all his friends and get derailed ) will assassinate him.



I have been saying that since day one, as much as I think Obama is your best bet in the States, there is going to be some crazy white dude knock him off in under a year. Ya know I'll almost bet money he is wearing a Kevlar vest under most of his suits now. Its going to be crazy no matter how you look at it. OK I am going to duck under a table before I say this, but I can see him being a black version of JFK. Friend to the little guy, hated by Big Business, it'll get crazy before its done.

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White Supremacist usually vote Democrat. Just like ol' Fred Phelps is a big Democrat, even raising money for Al Gore.



No way, maybe through the early 60's, but the once the democrats supported civil rights things got flipped upside down.
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I have been saying that since day one, as much as I think Obama is your best bet in the States, there is going to be some crazy white dude knock him off in under a year. Ya know I'll almost bet money he is wearing a Kevlar vest under most of his suits now. Its going to be crazy no matter how you look at it. OK I am going to duck under a table before I say this, but I can see him being a black version of JFK. Friend to the little guy, hated by Big Business, it'll get crazy before its done.



Most of the black people i know don't like him either and worry where he will take us. It doesn't have to be a racial issue. His socialist attitudes outweigh his color for most of his detractors.

EDIT: Kevlar wont even stop a standard ak47. A 50 cal from down the block wont have any trouble.

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**thwack**

anyone else?

Now, how is it DHS phrased it? For every 1 incompetent terrorist we capture, there are 100 competent terrorists running free?
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Most of the black people i know don't like him either and worry where he will take us. It doesn't have to be a racial issue. His socialist attitudes outweigh his color for most of his detractors.

EDIT: Kevlar wont even stop a standard ak47. A 50 cal from down the block wont have any trouble.



The AK47 round is simular to a 30cal round and is not high powered. The "newer" AK74 is almost the same as 5.56 M16 round we use. Kevlar will stop these rounds. Now a standard 30-06 high powered hunting rifle with a FMJ round fired from any nearby rooftops WILL go through kevlar and the steel plate that is on the good ones. It doesn't even need to be teflon coated.

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No way, maybe through the early 60's, but the once the democrats supported civil rights things got flipped upside down.


No, they just found a better way to enslave minorities...by making them dependant again. Since it is illegal to own a black person and since Liberals elites like having black people as tokens but won't live in the same neighborhood as one the Democrats came up with the "Great Society" concept which hearded minorities into little compounds (sort of like the shacks they lived on in the grand ole' south) and gave them food stamps and handouts (sorta like the way they lived in the grand ole' south). so now your slaves are living the illusion that they are free but they have NOT had the benefits of the REAL freedom all Americans should expect and the Dream Doctor King fought for.

True freedom for minorities will ONLY come when they are truly free to succeed OR fail on their own and not continue to be repressed by a "progressive" government that treats them like children and refuses to think they can swim in the deep end.

The dignity of man, not to mention freedom from hostility and despair, is founded in self reliance, NOT handouts.

The Dems refuse to learn this and use GOP efforts to remove give away programs as the reason for the repression of minorities. They are wrong.
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Why is it assumed that poor people of the country are minorities?
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Why is it assumed that poor people of the country are minorities?


Statistics?

http://www.prb.org/Articles...RegionalPoverty.aspx
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No, they just found a better way to enslave minorities...by making them dependant again. Since it is illegal to own a black person and since Liberals elites like having black people as tokens but won't live in the same neighborhood as one the Democrats came up with the "Great Society" concept which hearded minorities into little compounds (sort of like the shacks they lived on in the grand ole' south) and gave them food stamps and handouts (sorta like the way they lived in the grand ole' south). so now your slaves are living the illusion that they are free but they have NOT had the benefits of the REAL freedom all Americans should expect and the Dream Doctor King fought for.

True freedom for minorities will ONLY come when they are truly free to succeed OR fail on their own and not continue to be repressed by a "progressive" government that treats them like children and refuses to think they can swim in the deep end.

The dignity of man, not to mention freedom from hostility and despair, is founded in self reliance, NOT handouts.

The Dems refuse to learn this and use GOP efforts to remove give away programs as the reason for the repression of minorities. They are wrong.




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Statistics?

http://www.prb.org/Articles...RegionalPoverty.aspx


I suupose the majority may be. But they seem to be being blended together in generalizations here. There are plenty of poor non minorities as well. Maybe that group is the smallest minority?
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The AK47 round is simular to a 30cal round and is not high powered. The "newer" AK74 is almost the same as 5.56 M16 round we use. Kevlar will stop these rounds. Now a standard 30-06 high powered hunting rifle with a FMJ round fired from any nearby rooftops WILL go through kevlar and the steel plate that is on the good ones. It doesn't even need to be teflon coated.

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I was thinking of the older 7.62x39 AK's, and i have seen it go thru kevlar personally.. Perhaps it was cheaper kevlar?
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