Found this on another forum. Thought I would share.

Topic #1.
WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS THOUGHT ABOUT "GUN CONTROL"

Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly's reply to
the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than
99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress)

George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)

Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
almost every country in Europe." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
Chronicle.)

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

James Madison:"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)

Topic #2:
WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS MEANT BY THE "MILITIA"

George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
Debates, 425-426)

Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

James Madison: "A WELL REGULATED militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the
best and most natural defense of a free country." (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789),

Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms." (Elliott, Debates at 185)

Alexander Hamilton:"...that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties
of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms."
(Federalist Paper #29)

Topic #3:
MODERN LEADERS THOUGHTS ON GUN CONTROL:

Adolf Hitler: "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun
registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead."
(Chancellor's Speech, 1935)

Charles Shumer: (US Congress, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution) "All we ask for
is registration, just like we do for cars." (Press conference, 1993, exact date being sought)

Adof Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subject peoples to
possess arms. So let's not have any talk about native militias." (Hitler's Secret Conversations,
1941-44, Farrar, Strauss and Young, 1953)

Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must
command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of
War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)

Diane Feinstein: "US Senator, If I could have banned them all- 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in
your guns' -I would have!" (Statement on TV program 60 Minutes, Feb 5 1995)

Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the
act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi,
446)

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)

Bill Clinton US President, has sworn an oath to defend the US Constitution, (not to violate it,
criticize it, and belittle it)) "When we got organized as a country, [and] wrote a fairly radical
Constitution, with a radical Bill of Rights, giving radical amounts of freedom to Americans, it was
assumed that Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly...When personal freedom is
being abused, you have to move to limit it." (April 19 1994, on MTV)

TOPIC #4:
FOUNDING FATHERS INTENT BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION:

Samual Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." (Convention of the Commonwealth
of Mass., 86-87, date still being sought)

Noah Webster: "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority...the
Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages
who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean
to be masters." (Source still being sought)

Thomas Jefferson:"On every occasion...of Constitutional interpretation let us carry ourselves
back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates,
and instead of trying to force what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it,
instead let us conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (June 12 1823, Letter to
William Johnson)

Topic #5:
RELIGION, WEAPONS AND SELF DEFENSE:

"If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." (Exodus 22:2)

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are safe." (Luke 11:21)

EXCELLENT POST! Americans today need to be reminded of all these things on a regular basis. Then they might not be so quick to give in to the fearmongering and give up their freedoms.

Jane

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Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality

Excellent post!!! Turn it into an email and send it to the Obamessiah website!

It is amazing to me, that reading the thought of the founding fathers of this nation, that they possessed such wisdom. In light of how relatively few people there were in America at that time, there seems to have been a multitude of True Statesmen....men who led by example, and who realized that the government wasn't the solution, but was in fact a problem. Why is it that even though we have such a large population, we can't seem to find men who can measure up to the leaders that this nation was founded by? Maybe history is too kind to them, but based on the content of our Bill of Rights and Constitution, along with the quotes in the first post, I don't think so.

I own ten rifles and shotguns. I also do not let politics blur my vision of truth.


NEWSMAX.COM - Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats.

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.

Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation’s strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

Clinton, signing the assault weapons ban, only extended what Bush the 1st was already doing by executive decree. Actions speak louder than quotable sound bites.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Excellent post!!! Turn it into an email and send it to the Obamessiah website!

Nonsense. The Obamessiah know MORE than these silly fools.

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quote Originally posted by weaselbeak: I own ten rifles and shotguns. I also do not let politics blur my vision of truth. NEWSMAX.COM - Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats. In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles." It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes." It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners. Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay." One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections. Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation’s strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison. Clinton, signing the assault weapons ban, only extended what Bush the 1st was already doing by executive decree. Actions speak louder than quotable sound bites.

NO, republicans are not inocent either when it comes to gun bans and laws limiting your rights to buy/own them, but we have out lived most of these bans and restrictions. Read carefully what Bawma has said and voted for in the past. Look at Pelosi and Bradys stand on guns. If they work together, replace one or two retiring judges with their own judges on the Supreme Court, odds are you won't own any guns.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Excellent post!!! Turn it into an email and send it to the Obamessiah website!

But didn't you hear the commercials? He supports gun owners and always has! My foot.

( pretty offensive commercial i might add.. with banjo music playing in the background. Thinks we are all a bunch of backwoods hicks out here in fly over territory )

quote Originally posted by srat110: NO, republicans are not inocent either when it comes to gun bans and laws limiting your rights to buy/own them, but we have out lived most of these bans and restrictions. Read carefully what Bawma has said and voted for in the past. Look at Pelosi and Bradys stand on guns. If they work together, replace one or two retiring judges with their own judges on the Supreme Court, odds are you won't own any guns.

Over mine and Billions of others dead bodies i'm sure.

Jane

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Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality

Secede! Texas

Good post, thanks!
Luckily it will be impossible to take away our freedom to possess guns without first physically taking the guns. As long as we all possess guns the people will always be able to control our lives and protect ourselves from others who would do us harm. If our rights and freedoms are going to be taken awy from us, our guns will have to be taken first. Not just made illegal, taken (which is exactly what the fathers of the constitution knew and meant).
Let's ensure that the US is never taken over by terrorists, that no invasion by foreign countries will succeed, that our own government leaders will never gain control and send us to gas chambers based on our skin color, religeous beliefs, political preference, heritage, or sexual orientation.
Let's make a law that every family must own one at least one gun (and I don't mean a single shot nickel plated shotgungun with pheasants engraved on it) and learn to use and keep it safely and effeciently.

lead is very effective ballot. and our forfathers wanted to make sure we would always have the ability to vote.

Yes, please!
Just joking.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Secede! Texas