I have seen a number of left leaning analysts say that if America does not vote Obama into office, then America is racist. I believe it is a form of racism that he got the nomination in the first place. On the same note, since the Democrats did not nominate Hillary, does that make the Democrats sexists?
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The whole argument that "America is racist if we don't elect Obama" is utter and complete crap, and a nice example of using the race card in a political campaign. That's saying "It doesn't matter who is best suited for the job in your opinion- this person is a minority and if you don't vote for them you're a racist." Ridiculous. It's a sad attempt to badger good people into second guessing themselves and what they believe politically, and make them worry,"Gee whiz, maybe I AM RACIST since I don't want to vote for Obama." He is a liberal democrat- THAT is why I will not vote for him. I don't care what he looks like or if he is a she. Period. We're not looking at two people who are THE SAME on every other issue besides "race."
"Barack Obama Jr. is not black. He is multi-racial. In an earlier time, he would be a mullato, and would have been discriminated against by the black race as much if not more than the Caucasians. Realistically, Obama is more white than black, if one wants to be specific. Though his “alleged” birth certificate lists his father as “African”, Barack Obama Sr.’s birth record actually lists him as Arab. So we can just as easily say Obama would be our first Arab-American President, if elected."
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"Barack Obama Jr. is not black. He is multi-racial. In an earlier time, he would be a mullato, and would have been discriminated against by the black race as much if not more than the Caucasians. Realistically, Obama is more white than black, if one wants to be specific. Though his “alleged” birth certificate lists his father as “African”, Barack Obama Sr.’s birth record actually lists him as Arab. So we can just as easily say Obama would be our first Arab-American President, if elected."
All of that is fine and dandy. Obama identifies himself as a black man and his supporters all see him as a black man. For the purpose of this discussion, he is black.
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"Arab" would be either Negroid or Mongoloid or a mixture of the two.
"Arab"-American would be like calling someone "North European" American. He wouldn't even be "Arab"-American as he was born in the United States of America. He'd be AMERICAN that has an African background as his father was AFRICAN and thus, his father, if his father has citizenship in the U.S. would, indeed, be considered....AFRICAN-American.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT: All of that is fine and dandy. Obama identifies himself as a black man and his supporters all see him as a black man. For the purpose of this discussion, he is black.
If he identifies himself as a black man, then he's is not being completely truthful (imagine that), and he is banking on the fact that the populace will "judge a book by it's cover", and that he will capture the black vote based on the color of his skin...
The question is still about racism, your just asking about the wrong race.... Are we ready to have a Arab President?
Would we have been voted in IF he were 51% white instead of the 45% he is???.....Mmmnnn
No, if Obama was white, I don't think he'd have had much success beyond the state level.
Just as Hillary played to voters wanting a female candidate, Obama has played to voters wanting a minority candidate. It's a large demographic and he's been able to energize it in a way a white person could not.
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The unfortunate thought is yes America is racist. The only thing is it is not the white people who perpetuates this anymore. Most of the time it is promoted and perpetuated by the "minorities" themselves. What else would they have to blame their current situation on if not that people were against them because of the color of their skin.
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This has already been answered many months ago by Geraldine Ferraro.
She is a die hard democrat. She is also, apparently, objective.
Of course, she got slammed for it. So her response was to backpedal. Oops, no way. She went on shows and defended her correct position and stood her ground and let the politically correct crowd slam away.
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IMO I think Obama's nomination has to do more with "wanting a change" then what the color of one's skin is. For anybody with the right convictions and motivation could have been nominated. Granted, it's better to have "experience" mixed-in with convictions. This is perhaps "why" Obama has crossed over racial lines. Wanting what is best for the country has universal appeal. That said, you can't just go willy-nilly and throw caution to the wind like its some type of rookie entering a professional basketball game. I'm a believer in College basketball first before you step on a professional arena. But like Kobe, I guess it can be done.
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My post went in one ear and out the other. It hit the wall and didn't bother bouncing back into your ear because it obviously knew better.
Show me where ARAB is a RACE.
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Last time I checked, Kenya is in Africa and not on the Arabian Penninsula.
Damn dude....
Thats why I corrected myself, and posted that link about the census..... and if he is filling out an application where he would either put in "Other" or "White"
Wasn't "TRYING" to torque U off.... I guess I just have that effect on people.
A) Obama IS NOT Arab or "Arab American". "Arab" is an ethnic background. Like "European" or "Asian" or "Hispanic" People from the Arabian Peninsula or maybe what we call the Middle East
B) He's not even "African-American" He is American with African heritage. His father IS NOT Arab. His father is Kenyan, which is in Africa. If his father has U.S. Citizenship, his father would be "African-American".
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I have seen a number of left leaning analysts say that if America does not vote Obama into office, then America is racist. I believe it is a form of racism that he got the nomination in the first place. On the same note, since the Democrats did not nominate Hillary, does that make the Democrats sexists?
So the Dems are racist for nominating Obama and sexist for not nominting Clinton? Tough crowd.
I imagine if Obama were white he would stand about the same chance of getting nominated for the Democratic ticket as McCain would stand if he were black getting nominated for the Republican ticket.
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Originally posted by sostock: I imagine if Obama were white he would stand about the same chance of getting nominated for the Democratic ticket as McCain would stand if he were black getting nominated for the Republican ticket.
I don't know, Alan Keys was doing well in the republican primaries? Oh wait....
BTW, Keyes is probably more qualified under the republican ticket than mccain: Foreign policy experience - check. Praised by Reagan - check. Pro life - check. Anti-gay - check. Prayer in schools - check. He's even catholic!
Keyes:
McCain:
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Interesting concept. When most analysts think Obama might lose BECAUSE too many racists vote against him, there is now a suggestion that being black helped him..
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I don't know, Alan Keys was doing well in the republican primaries? Oh wait....
BTW, Keyes is probably more qualified under the republican ticket than mccain: Foreign policy experience - check. Praised by Reagan - check. Pro life - check. Anti-gay - check. Prayer in schools - check. He's even catholic!
You can't say things like this and expect nobody to take issue with them- I am not yelling nor insulting you. Just pointing out that these statements about what makes the "republican ticket" are inflamatory, seem purposefully negative and are not even entirely accurate...
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Interesting concept. When most analysts think Obama might lose BECAUSE too many racists vote against him, there is now a suggestion that being black helped him..
Just pointing out fact/reality here- Minorities in this country, especially African Americans, historically (since the 1960's at least) have largely voted "democrat." This is indeed a plus for Obama since he is on the ticket that has already garnered the support of that base. Conversely, a black "republican" often seems to be looked down upon by the black community based upon the reactions I've seen, and this would explain somewhat why Alan Keyes is not as succesfull- there is no established voter base already pre-disposed to vote republican anyway. Not sure if this makes sense to anyone or not, but the failure to nominate Alan Keys on the Republican ticket in no way can be used to indicate some evil racism on the part of the party...
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Interesting concept. When most analysts think Obama might lose BECAUSE too many racists vote against him, there is now a suggestion that being black helped him..
No. Being black helped him get his party's NOMINATION. As in "look at we forward, progressive democrats. We are nominating a black candidate. It's just like affirmative action nominating. We are so proud of ourselves." Because if a white guy had Obama's "qualifications", he wouldn't have been noticed in the democratic party.
But it isn't going to help Obama get ELECTED. There assuredly WILL be some blatant racist VOTERS who vote against him just for him being half black.
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