quote Originally posted by MonteC: A few of you guys have been very helpfull, the rest have not. This is pretty much hopeless, ill go elsewhere for advice, thanks anyway. PS. i may just get my shot gun done in pink as well.

So you got advice and opinions you didn't want to hear. So, you're "taking your toys and going to play elsewhere"? And with that response, you wonder why some of us that "weren't helpful" were questioning the maturity level?

Okay.

MonteC
this may be all for nothing.
she may be too young for a CCW permit.
go to the website for the county you live in and you should be able to find the requirements for the permit.
in Missouri, you have to be 25yo.

and guys, i hate to say it, but size does matter. at least a little.
I wouldn't get anything smaller than a .380

if this is really just going to be a range gun, get a ruger22 very cheap ammo.

if this is ever going to be a carry gun, then you have a lot to think about.
do you want a revolver, or a pistol?
do you want it to have manual safeties?
single or double stack mag?
does she normally carry a bag, or will she have to conceal this on her body under clothing?

it will have to be a gun she enjoys shooting and fits her comfortably so she can get lots and lots of range time.

quote Originally posted by aceman: Todd, he (original poster) stated the Pink Weapon WAS NOT for self-defense nor did he "say" anything about her carrying it concealed. And, the original poster is in SOUTH Carolina, not North Carolina.

"When i give her the gun, we plan on her taking the proper gun safety courses and then try to take the proper courses for concealed carrying.

What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?"

His quote from the original post. He, in fact, did NOT say that the gun "WAS NOT for self defense" or anything remotely liek that. And, in fact, they DO want to conceal it. And since she wants to carry a concealed weapon she undoubtedly wants if for self defense. There is no other reason for carrying a concealed weapon.

Pay Attention Ace.

And for all Carolinians I'm sorry about about confusing SOUTH Carolina and NORTH Carolina. I'm sure that mistake has never happened to anyone before.

quote Originally posted by MonteC: She wants a pink gun. She doesnt want it for protection. She wants to go to the range and have fun shooting, and i thought it would be a good idea to take the concealed weapons courses. Just so she is extra educated. Im going to have a 12 gauge pump action in the house, so her gun is not for any type of protection, she just wants to enjoy shooting and just to have it. Whats wrong with that?

Pay attention Todd!

quote "When i give her the gun, we plan on her taking the proper gun safety courses and then try to take the proper courses for concealed carrying. What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?"

Still have trouble reading ACE?

Nope. If you've ever seen aconcealed weapons course of instruction, they deal with safety and handling of a weapon.

"She doesnt want it for protection. She wants to go to the range and have fun shooting, and i thought it would be a good idea to take the concealed weapons courses. Just so she is extra educated. "

Still having a comprehension problem, Todd?

Put your head back in your ass and move along.

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quote Originally posted by aceman: Nope. If you've ever seen aconcealed weapons course of instruction, they deal with safety and handling of a weapon. "She doesnt want it for protection. She wants to go to the range and have fun shooting, and i thought it would be a good idea to take the concealed weapons courses. Just so she is extra educated. " Still having a comprehension problem, Todd? Put your head back in your ass and move along

This isn't rocket science Ace, but since you started this **** fight allow me to finish it for you. Follow along if you think you can:

1) MonteC said,

quote What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?

2) I said,

quote 2 states and the DC area do not issue CHLs at all. 9 other states have "may issue" laws which effectively means WON'T issue. I've lived in some of them. Originally from Georgia where they are not too hard to get I live here in California now where "lotsa Luck" is the thought for the day. Of the other 39 states which issue CHLs you STILL must meet rigorous standards (ie no felony record, no alcohol related convictions of any kind, weapon size limitations, etc.) They are not easy to get everywhere just because they are easy to get in Texas. I have no idea about NC.

3) YOU said,

quote nor did he "say" anything about her carrying it concealed

4) I referred you to line #1

Following along Ace?

Good, let's move on to the second point:

1) MonteC said,

quote When i give her the gun, we plan on her taking the proper gun safety courses and then try to take the proper courses for concealed carrying.

2) I said,

quote Let's start with why she wants a concealed weapon? Is it for self defense?

3) YOU said,

quote he (original poster) stated the Pink Weapon WAS NOT for self-defense

4) I said,

quote There is no other reason for carrying a concealed weapon.

Hence, she DOES want it for self defense. There is no "extra education" for carrying a concealed weapon. What education? like, don't put it in your waist band? Don't put it in a bag with chocolate bars? There is only one reason unless she plans to join the Secret Service...Self Defense. If self defense is not an issue then the point I made is that she doesn't NEED a carry permit.

Still with me Ace?

Lastly,

1) I said,

quote NC

2) You said,

quote SOUTH Carolina

3) I said,

quote And for all Carolinians I'm sorry about about confusing SOUTH Carolina and NORTH Carolina. I'm sure that mistake has never happened to anyone before.

I think that pretty much covers it Ace. Now try to get back on topic. The guy is looking for advice, not your usual ration of thread hijacking.

in tennessee one is required to have a concealed carry permit in order to carry a handgun at all, concealed or open, off one's own property. personally this offends me, but that's how it is.

Read it again, Todd....

quote Originally posted by MonteC: She doesnt want it for protection. She wants to go to the range and have fun shooting, and i thought it would be a good idea to take the concealed weapons courses. Just so she is extra educated. Im going to have a 12 gauge pump action in the house, so her gun is not for any type of protection, she just wants to enjoy shooting and just to have it. Whats wrong with that?

Read it again Todd......

quote Originally posted by MonteC: She doesnt want it for protection. She wants to go to the range and have fun shooting, and i thought it would be a good idea to take the concealed weapons courses. Just so she is extra educated. Im going to have a 12 gauge pump action in the house, so her gun is not for any type of protection, she just wants to enjoy shooting and just to have it. Whats wrong with that?

Read it again, Todd....

quote Originally posted by MonteC: She doesnt want it for protection. She wants to go to the range and have fun shooting, and i thought it would be a good idea to take the concealed weapons courses. Just so she is extra educated. Im going to have a 12 gauge pump action in the house, so her gun is not for any type of protection, she just wants to enjoy shooting and just to have it. Whats wrong with that?

She wants the handgun to go to a range and shoot it. NOT FOR PROTECTION

Concealed carry is related to self defense and protection, the course is not.

He's interested in the course because he, unlike you, he is smart enough to realize that a Concealed Carry COURSE has the benefits of teaching you safety and proper handling of a gun.

I carry a concealed carry permit in 3 states. Minnesota required a course to get a concealed carry permit. It was all about safety and handling of a handgun. In South Dakota, a concealed carry permit allows you to purchase a handgun without all the red tape normally involved.

quote Originally posted by nmw75: Kel-Tec also has a 9mm. I just saw one at Cabella's. Brand new for $265. http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p11.html

Beretta has a plastic mouse gun as well now, same size as the Kel-tec. Looks about the same too. I might consider replaging my Tomcat32 with it for when clothing doesn't allow my Glock G26 but i still dont want to go unarmed.

And while its a bit late into this discussion, i agree with the others here, having color as a requirement ( regardless of what color ) is a bad sign that its just a immature vanity toy to show off to people. Even if its only to be used at the range, it doesn't matter at all what it looks like, its all about performance and matching the weapon to the user. Only exception would be for hunting and you want a particular style of camo, but thats a functional color to serve a actual purpose, not pink or some other bright color...

That’s just perverted twisted and sick. Please remove that before I puke.

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I don't have PIP on this computer....

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My eyes, my eyes. A pink car is one thing, I could understand someone wanting a pink car. But a pink gun is just……
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Perverted twisted and sick.

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Technology is great when it works,
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Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Well, I know what to send you for Christmas, next year, Steve.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: That’s just perverted twisted and sick. Please remove that before I puke.

Suck it up.

C'mon Formula88. Even I had the common decency NOT to post a pic like that.

google "ar 15 pink" and you will find a lot of them, some with Hello Kitty on them.

Well even though my post was completely unhelpful, I am glad others agree wtih me. A gun is a weapon, and to have a pink one is twisted. It sends the wrong message. I have fired almost every caliber firearm I could get my hands on, and have hunted. A gun is designed to kill and a pink gun
as stated before is twisted and perverted.

Unless it will never be carried in her purse, car, or kept at home for emergencies, you really need to talk to some retired military or police officers, or maybe even hunters and ask them what they think. Maybe not, one of them might punch you.

You just don't make fashion statements with firearms. This is not a computer case, cell phone, or car. It sickens me that anyone even agreed with you. How about pink electric chairs or pink hangman ropes? Arent they cute? If she ever does have to pull this gun, I hope to God she is a good shot, because the kidnapper, rapist, and/or killer is not going to take her serious.

I know you said its not for protection, but if she is carrying it and is assualted, it role will change, and if you get her a concealed carry permit this becomes much more likely.

Educate yourself and her on firearms, your dangerous at a range with this level of maturity.

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After you die,,, if you get the chance to meet General George S. Patton jr. see what happens when you tell him that his pistols are twisted and perverted because they have ivory hand grips if you consider a pink hand gun so.

quote Originally posted by ron768: After you die,,, if you get the chance to meet General George S. Patton jr. see what happens when you tell him that his pistols are twisted and perverted because they have ivory hand grips if you consider a pink hand gun so.

Word.

Pink guns are no more different then custom engraving.

I can see a pink gun as an advantage. Your woman pulls it, her assailants starting laughing, she puts them down. Sounds like a good deal to me.

His pistols were not designed to be cute, there is nothing cute in an instrument designed for kiling.
Making a gun pink is a perversion of the highest order, only people who have no buisness around fireamrs would want them cute.

Killers with a sick sense of humor and naive people.

quote Originally posted by dennis_6: Do you really belive the woman that wants a pink gun because its cute has the capacity to kill?

Yes.

I agree , but only if she falls under the twisted killer type.
The other kind, has not grasp of what killing actually entails.

quote Originally posted by dennis_6: I agree , but only if she falls under the twisted killer type. The other kind, has not grasp of what killing actually entails.

Does that go for the one who wants a shiny nickel plated gun too instead of black?

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Does that go for the one who wants a shiny nickel plated gun too instead of black?

A nickel plated gun has other disadvantages, like giving your position away in the dark.

this is my rifle,
this is my gun.
this one's for....

No, a better example of that would be etching rock and roll on the fire position of the safety which a teenage hitman caught up with the mexican drug cartels did. Shiny nickel plated guns are strating that direction because they are considered gangsta, but still not cute. Quit trying to defend this, you are failing.

We are not talking taste, we are talking morales. Making an instrument of death cute ,is sick. You can try to justify it anyway you like, but it is sick.

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For crying out loud!! Guns can and do kill people, but only if you use them so. There is NOTHING wrong with sport shooting/range shooting only. You can kill someone with golf clubs, or a car, but both are use for sport as well. Sheesh. That being said, who gives a flying duck what the heck the color is. I see tons of custom colored guns at Gander. People like that. Pink is a certain flavor of it. Not everything is a tactical situation. If you want it tactical, then yes, get a matted black finish. Are you upset with silver or gold plated guns too? Engraved guns? Camelian paint?

That being said, for a range gun I would suggest a .22 because of how inexpensive the ammo is. You can go through a lot more of it than a larger caliper on a given budget and generally have more fun.

For pink guns, the only I've seen from factory came from Taurus, which you already found.

quote Originally posted by 86fierofun: For crying out loud!! Guns can and do kill people, but only if you use them so. There is NOTHING wrong with sport shooting/range shooting only. You can kill someone with golf clubs, or a car, but both are use for sport as well. Sheesh. That being said, who gives a flying duck what the heck the color is. I see tons of custom colored guns at Gander. People like that. Pink is a certain flavor of it. Not everything is a tactical situation. If you want it tactical, then yes, get a matted black finish. Are you upset with silver or gold plated guns too? Engraved guns? Camelian paint? That being said, for a range gun I would suggest a .22 because of how inexpensive the ammo is. You can go through a lot more of it than a larger caliper on a given budget and generally have more fun. For pink guns, the only I've seen from factory came from Taurus, which you already found.

Nothing else you listed was designed from the factory to kill. Not apples to apples. I have stated before, if its a range only gun, and never is carried concealed or used in self defense its fine. If it ever falls into another role, its not. If she carries it in her purse, keeps it on the night stand, or under the car seat. It has fallen into another catagory and may be used to kill.

quote Originally posted by 86fierofun: That being said, for a range gun I would suggest a .22 because of how inexpensive the ammo is. You can go through a lot more of it than a larger caliper on a given budget and generally have more fun. For pink guns, the only I've seen from factory came from Taurus, which you already found.

Cost is why i got a Ruger MK II competition for the range.

Glock makes blue, yellow and red pistols, but not sold to the public.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Word. Pink guns are no more different then custom engraving.

This is that same 40+ year old shotgun I mentioned in my first post.



To say that is the same thing as a pink gun, is like saying a Cadillac is the same as a VW Bug.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: This is that same 40+ year old shotgun I mentioned in my first post. To say that is the same thing as a pink gun, is like saying a Cadillac is the same as a VW Bug.

A Cadillac and a VW are the same thing. They are both cars. Any personalizing of any fire arm is the same. Doesn't mater how. You have engraving. A girl may want pink. Some people want shine.

Engraving and shiny, does not make an instrument of death cute. Its akin to wearing a party hat to a funeral.

quote Originally posted by aceman: Read it again, Todd....

Don't need to.

quote She wants the handgun to go to a range and shoot it. NOT FOR PROTECTION Concealed carry is related to self defense and protection, the course is not.

Then why the second question you keep denying he asked?, "What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?"

If you will pull your head out long enough to learn the English Language you will see that that he asked about pistol safety AAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDDDDD concealed carrying....TWO SEPARATE THINGS Ace. TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS Ace.

KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK...Is anyone home in that skull of yours?

Read it again Ace:

quote Originally posted by MonteC What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?[/b]

quote Originally posted by aceman nor did he "say" anything about her carrying it concealed.

Read it again Ace:

quote Originally posted by MonteC What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?[/b]

quote Originally posted by aceman nor did he "say" anything about her carrying it concealed.

Read it again Ace:

quote Originally posted by MonteC What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?[/b]

quote Originally posted by aceman nor did he "say" anything about her carrying it concealed.

I just answered the question. Don't like the answer? Who give a **** what you think anyway? Now shut up!

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Real easy Todd....

"What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?"

Answer: They are both courses that will teach you proper handling and safety with handguns.He's searching for answers on how long these courses are and why he or his wife would need them. Probably wants a clarification of what's the difference between a pistol safety course and a concealed carry course.
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Since you apparently never owned a handgun and I have assisted in handgun handling and safety classes, let me give you a one on one quick course designed especially for you:

Step one: Borrow a friends handgun. Make sure it is larger than a .25 caliber.

Step two: Have your friend load it. (The first time might be too tricky for you)

Step three: Bring it home. Lock yourself in your bedroom.

Step four: Point the barrel end of the gun to your head.

Step five: Take the safety off

Step six: SQUEEZE!

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quote Originally posted by aceman: Real easy Todd.... "What all is involved with pistol safety and concealed carrying?" Answer: They are both courses that will teach you proper handling and safety with handguns.

He never asked about "courses" Ace. Read the BOLD lettering again. He asked, "What ALL is involved". Undoubtedly "courses" are ONE thing involved. And ONLY one thing. You've given him your opinion on courses. We have all read with great and excited anticipation your soliloquy on gun courses. The rest of us would like to address some other of the "ALL" related issues. If that is OK with you.

Capice?

quote Since you apparently never owned a handgun and I have assisted in handgun handling and safety classes, let me give you a one on one quick course designed especially for you: Step one: Borrow a friends handgun. Make sure it is larger than a .25 caliber. Step two: Have your friend load it. (The first time might be too tricky for you) Step three: Bring it home. Lock yourself in your bedroom. Step four: Point the barrel end of the gun to your head. Step five: Take the safety off Step six: SQUEEZE!

Just the kind of weak comeback one might expect from you Ace. You had some golden opportunities in that last post. Tisk Tisk, you let them all slip by. So many great witty comments you could have made had you the brains to do so. Oh well. Allow me to demonstrate:

Ehem, Thanks for the advice Ace. But I won't need to borrow a gun. I come from a military family. Can't swing a dead cat without yellow footprints to guide you. I have several weapons and I have been shooting pistols before you could spell the word. Got my first one in 1969. It was a Walther PPK-S, One of the first 2500 ever made and it's still in the original box with original cleanign kit! Yessiree, a mighty nice pistol with a punch like a mule. Uh that's a .380 ACP. And I prefer hollow point bullets. Yep, I'm pretty sure it's bigger than a .25. But then again a lady would never be able to pull the trigger. Guess you and MonteC's friend should BOTH avoid getting one.

Now THAT...was wit.

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