I swear, I wish I didn't know as much as I do about the world we have created. Has everyone gone completely stupid? Apparently yesterday some little girl was trying to pet a pit bull that was safely in his own back yard which was completely fenced in. The girl opens the gate and ends up being attacked by the dog. She goes to the hospital where she will recover, and they PUT THE DOG DOWN last night! WHY?????????????????? This dog was bothering no one one, the stupid kid came into its territory, breaching the security of a fenced yard, and somehow this is the DOGS fault???? And what's more, everyone is asking if the dog's owner has insurance, and apparently he's being cited for not having a license on the dog. Are you shi77ing me???????WTF is wrong with our society! Why isn't someone bitchslapping the parents for not teaching the kid to stay away from unfamiliar animals, or to stay out of yards that aren't thier own unless invited? GAH! Someone just shoot me now, I've had about as much of this rampant idiocy as I can handle......
No different then someone drowning in your pool. There has to be a child proof lock on a gate surrounding the yard. Not saying she has any right to go in the yard but young children don't understand that not all dogs are friendly. I wonder if they put it down to test it for disease, do they still have to do that? With out a license they would suspect the dog has not had its shots.
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Cadillac Jack Member
Posts: 1165 From: Jacksonville, IL, USA Registered: May 2003
Evidently the world has gone crazy. Why would you have a dog that needed fenced in to keep from killing people and not put a lock on the gate, for example. if the owner does not have insurance or a license, he is surely stupid. The parents have certainly failed to teach the child to be cautious of other people's dangerous pets and not to go onto the property of others in case they may have one, or may harm them by some other means. And now you want to be shot for they're stupidity. Wow this is crazy!
the joys of unwatched children. everyone involved should be "put down" I think I'll keep a dangerous animal hanging around in my yard. I think I'll let my kid wander the streets. you got your chocolate in my peanut butter. nothign wrong with keeping a dog, nothing wrong with letting your kid play - but BOTH were left unattended - had either owner given 2 squats - problem would never had happened.
caring is a verb, not an adjective. niether owner cared. care implies action. no action was taken.
All I'm trying to say is cover your own ass. You can get sued by someone braking into your house if they slip and hurt themselves. Owning a dog is a liability, sure its intent is not to kill and maim (I would hope) but it has that ability so it should be looked out for accordingly. Not saying the owner doesn't have a right to have the dog and that it should have been put down. The little girl was in the wrong but like I said now that we are all liable for everyone else you need to cover your own ass. I'm sure a chain and lock would be a lot cheaper than the medical bills and insurance costs. Without a license they would not have a shot history.
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The only way to test for rabies in any animal, wild or domestic, is by killing the animal and testing the brain cells. If a pet bites someone and they agree to undergo the treatment for rabies, the pet will not have to be destroyed; it can be quarantined for 30 days instead.
What do you think they would choose? Under go treatment that will also result in further harm or have the dog put down. Keeping up with your pets shots and licenses is also covering your own ass.
the joys of unwatched children. everyone involved should be "put down" I think I'll keep a dangerous animal hanging around in my yard. I think I'll let my kid wander the streets. you got your chocolate in my peanut butter. nothign wrong with keeping a dog, nothing wrong with letting your kid play - but BOTH were left unattended - had either owner given 2 squats - problem would never had happened.
caring is a verb, not an adjective. niether owner cared. care implies action. no action was taken.
OK, seriously, help me out, cause I'm really having a hard time with this. The dog's owner puts up a fence to keep his dog contained and to provide a safe boundary. Yet somehow the dog's owner, since he didn't put big locks and hang signs all around his yard warning of a potentially dangerous dog (but ONLY if you breach the security of the fence and trespass on the owner's/dog's territory) he's still somehow morally culpable and/or open to accusations of not caring? I'm lost on that logic. Barring ANY assumptions about the training or disposition of the dog, (keep in mind the no doubt ever-present media dramatizing words like "vicious" or "mauled") why isn't OK for the owner to believe that his precautions were reasonably safe? AND, I'll tell you another thing, and I'm going to call some people here hypocrites, because if this had been a BURGLAR who got his ass chewed up, and the dog had been put down, (instead of some little girl) there would be guys all over the place thumping their chest about how their dogs would light someone up, or how unfair it is, yadda yadda yadda. To me it's no different. Trespassing is trespassing, I don't care your age, if you get hurt on my property while TRESPASSING, then why the hell should *I* (or my dog) be held responsible?
Here's a bit of personal reflection. To me, this is just an indication of how much we've sacrificed, and how just simply no one is taking responsibility for their own actions. To me, the real victim here is the dog and the owner, simple. I was trying to imagine if this had happened to me when I was a kid what would have happened. Probably after getting out of the hospital, I would have been severely punished for going into a neighbor's yard without permission. My dad would have been the first to protest putting the dog down, not because he's some big animal lover, he ain't. But he would see that the dog was minding its own business, and that one single event caused the entire situation: Me being a dumbass by opening a gate that wasn't to my own yard. Lock or no lock, I would have gone someplace I shouldn't have been. To me, the fact that this guy is now exposed to legal action, and quite likely civil action, all because some kid entered his yard without permission is an absolute marker of how our society not only promotes, but legally supports a complete lack of personal responsibility. And to me, that's a disappointing thing.
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Cadillac Jack Member
Posts: 1165 From: Jacksonville, IL, USA Registered: May 2003
the joys of unwatched children. everyone involved should be "put down" I think I'll keep a dangerous animal hanging around in my yard. I think I'll let my kid wander the streets. you got your chocolate in my peanut butter. nothign wrong with keeping a dog, nothing wrong with letting your kid play - but BOTH were left unattended - had either owner given 2 squats - problem would never had happened.
caring is a verb, not an adjective. niether owner cared. care implies action. no action was taken.
I understand your point, but nothing here indicates that the child or the dog was unattended. Because the dog was in the back yard and completely fenced one might assume that the child was palying in her back yard. There maight have been a parent sitting in the back yard. If the gate was unlocked, it would only take milliseconds for the girl to open the gate. Once that was done there would have been little anyone could do before the dog inflicted major damage. Even if a parent was walking with the child down the side walk or whatever, they would have to be darn quick to be faster than a child or a dog when the only thing seperating them is a latch on a gate. I'm not blaming the dog, he was just being a dog. The gate should have been locked though, and the owner should have liability insurance. I don't think there is anything, in this case, that could be substituted for those two things. The owner probably didn't think the dog was dangerous, most owners think that. I don't know how many times I've had someone tell me "just get out of the truck this dog doesn't bite". Well if dogs didn't bite God wouldn't have given them teeth! No one would have to have done anything here that was outragiously stupid. The owner just made a mistake, he didn't put a lock on the gate. If he doesn't have liability insurance that's a different story.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33232 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Originally posted by Taijiguy: OK, seriously, help me out, cause I'm really having a hard time with this. The dog's owner puts up a fence to keep his dog contained and to provide a safe boundary. Yet somehow the dog's owner, since he didn't put big locks and hang signs all around his yard warning of a potentially dangerous dog (but ONLY if you breach the security of the fence and trespass on the owner's/dog's territory) he's still somehow morally culpable and/or open to accusations of not caring? I'm lost on that logic. Barring ANY assumptions about the training or disposition of the dog, (keep in mind the no doubt ever-present media dramatizing words like "vicious" or "mauled") why isn't OK for the owner to believe that his precautions were reasonably safe? AND, I'll tell you another thing, and I'm going to call some people here hypocrites, because if this had been a BURGLAR who got his ass chewed up, and the dog had been put down, (instead of some little girl) there would be guys all over the place thumping their chest about how their dogs would light someone up, or how unfair it is, yadda yadda yadda. To me it's no different. Trespassing is trespassing, I don't care your age, if you get hurt on my property while TRESPASSING, then why the hell should *I* (or my dog) be held responsible?
I have to side with Taijiguy on this one. You can "if" and "and" this one to death but the fact remains, the girl was tresspassing. I may have all kinds of dangerous things and animals in my shop, your child comes in and starts playing with my circular saw and cuts his arm off. I'm at fault?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Pit Bulls and don't want any around me or my family but, I'm one of those that believes I as a parent have a responsibility to teach my kids the difference between right and wrong and that they are responsible for their actions.
Ron
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Cadillac Jack Member
Posts: 1165 From: Jacksonville, IL, USA Registered: May 2003
OK, seriously, help me out, cause I'm really having a hard time with this. The dog's owner puts up a fence to keep his dog contained and to provide a safe boundary. Yet somehow the dog's owner, since he didn't put big locks and hang signs all around his yard warning of a potentially dangerous dog (but ONLY if you breach the security of the fence and trespass on the owner's/dog's territory) he's still somehow morally culpable and/or open to accusations of not caring? I'm lost on that logic. Barring ANY assumptions about the training or disposition of the dog, (keep in mind the no doubt ever-present media dramatizing words like "vicious" or "mauled") why isn't OK for the owner to believe that his precautions were reasonably safe? AND, I'll tell you another thing, and I'm going to call some people here hypocrites, because if this had been a BURGLAR who got his ass chewed up, and the dog had been put down, (instead of some little girl) there would be guys all over the place thumping their chest about how their dogs would light someone up, or how unfair it is, yadda yadda yadda. To me it's no different. Trespassing is trespassing, I don't care your age, if you get hurt on my property while TRESPASSING, then why the hell should *I* (or my dog) be held responsible?
Hmmm bet you don't get many visitors at your compound, with an attitude like that. Pretty hard to teach a dog the difference between a burglar or little innocent girl, I wouldn't be one of those guys. If there had been a lock on the gate that might have helped deter burglars and protect the little girl, if either of these were a concern. I'm not sure what you have against the words vicious and mauled. Vicous is what a dog is that attacks a human and mauled is what they usually do to them. What would you call an attacking dog? Playful? I personally think sending a little girl to the hospital is cruel and unusual punishment for trespassing. Maybe making her stand in the corner would be more appropriate. I wonder what kind of punishment was inflicted on you the last time you did anything stupid, or perhaps you haven't.
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Pyrthian Member
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children dont have much sense of "property". if either of these items which require adult supervision were being watched - none of it would have happened.
yes, I agree the child was "more at fault". nice, eh? but - so what? are dogs the future of humanity? dont think so. they are pets. owned items, which owners are 100% responsible for.
perhaps we should blame TV for showing dogs as friendly fluffy animals? should we instead have Kids show's which portray dogs as violent beasts that tear limbs off of children? and unfriendly nieghborhoods, where every yard gate has evilness waiting to pounce?
OK, seriously, help me out, cause I'm really having a hard time with this. The dog's owner puts up a fence to keep his dog contained and to provide a safe boundary. Yet somehow the dog's owner, since he didn't put big locks and hang signs all around his yard warning of a potentially dangerous dog (but ONLY if you breach the security of the fence and trespass on the owner's/dog's territory) he's still somehow morally culpable and/or open to accusations of not caring? I'm lost on that logic. Barring ANY assumptions about the training or disposition of the dog, (keep in mind the no doubt ever-present media dramatizing words like "vicious" or "mauled") why isn't OK for the owner to believe that his precautions were reasonably safe? AND, I'll tell you another thing, and I'm going to call some people here hypocrites, because if this had been a BURGLAR who got his ass chewed up, and the dog had been put down, (instead of some little girl) there would be guys all over the place thumping their chest about how their dogs would light someone up, or how unfair it is, yadda yadda yadda. To me it's no different. Trespassing is trespassing, I don't care your age, if you get hurt on my property while TRESPASSING, then why the hell should *I* (or my dog) be held responsible?
Here's a bit of personal reflection. To me, this is just an indication of how much we've sacrificed, and how just simply no one is taking responsibility for their own actions. To me, the real victim here is the dog and the owner, simple. I was trying to imagine if this had happened to me when I was a kid what would have happened. Probably after getting out of the hospital, I would have been severely punished for going into a neighbor's yard without permission. My dad would have been the first to protest putting the dog down, not because he's some big animal lover, he ain't. But he would see that the dog was minding its own business, and that one single event caused the entire situation: Me being a dumbass by opening a gate that wasn't to my own yard. Lock or no lock, I would have gone someplace I shouldn't have been. To me, the fact that this guy is now exposed to legal action, and quite likely civil action, all because some kid entered his yard without permission is an absolute marker of how our society not only promotes, but legally supports a complete lack of personal responsibility. And to me, that's a disappointing thing.
It isn´t just disappointing, Taijiguy..it is deplorable..and I agree 100% with what you have written here. I must say, I fail to see the point of keeping this type of animal as a pet, but that is the owner's choice, and he did the responsible thing, making sure his dog was properly confined.The child's parent(s) failed miserably in their contribution to responsible actions. And scream for everybody else to have to undertake THEIR responsibility, and share their penalty. IT IS a terrible tragedy for the child, because they were innocent of the dangers they should have been taught from day ONE.
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Cadillac Jack Member
Posts: 1165 From: Jacksonville, IL, USA Registered: May 2003
Originally posted by blackrams: I have to side with Taijiguy on this one. You can "if" and "and" this one to death but the fact remains, the girl was tresspassing. I may have all kinds of dangerous things and animals in my shop, your child comes in and starts playing with my circular saw and cuts his arm off. I'm at fault?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Pit Bulls and don't want any around me or my family but, I'm one of those that believes I as a parent have a responsibility to teach my kids the difference between right and wrong and that they are responsible for their actions.
Ron
I smellin what your steppin here and you are completely right in teaching your kids right and wrong and such, but as a parent I know that does not happen over night. A child needs a few years to learn these things. If we kill them off too soon they'll never learn. The dog shouldn't have been killed unless it's a disease issue, the dog was just being a dog. The gate should have had a lock. Both the parents and the owner is responsible to some degree. Fault is an easy thing to asign. Responsibility is quite different. Lots of people made mistakes here, non of them horribly stupid. The results however was horrible and everyone involved should be working together to correct the problem. I'm not sure your circular saw is a good analogy. It is pretty much stationary, and I bet your pretty cautious who enters your shop. I bet the saw isn't where it is readily seen. It probably doesn't wag it's tail or look cute. It probably isn't at all likely that a child would come in just by opening a gate and then the saw would run across your shop and attack the child. My guess is you would do your best to prevent it if it did and would feel responsible for it if it occured. You probably would not kill your saw though! has that for anding and iffing?! LOL!
children dont have much sense of "property". if either of these items which require adult supervision were being watched - none of it would have happened.
yes, I agree the child was "more at fault". nice, eh? but - so what? are dogs the future of humanity? dont think so. they are pets. owned items, which owners are 100% responsible for.
perhaps we should blame TV for showing dogs as friendly fluffy animals? should we instead have Kids show's which portray dogs as violent beasts that tear limbs off of children? and unfriendly nieghborhoods, where every yard gate has evilness waiting to pounce?
kids are dumb. especially other peoples kids.
They have that sense if they're TAUGHT that. They also can have a sense of responsibility and consequence if they are taught those things. This girl has learned one thing from this: that she can do whatever she wants, and it will be someone else's fault. Her parents and the law are all going to teach her that. That's why I said before, that if this had been me as a child, there would have been a very different outcome. Why? Because my dad believed, and taught me to be responsible and accountable for my actions, both good and bad. I'm not crazy about pit bulls, (but then, I ain't all that wild about kids either, so I'm pretty neutral on this with regard to the specifics). And I'm sure no animal lover, so that's got nothing to do with my feelings about this. I just absolutely cringe in ANY situation where I see such a blatant misdirection of responsibility. Especially when the end results are so final and conclusive. Yes, let's kill the mean dog that hurt the person invading his territory. Bad dog! And YES, maybe they SHOULD put programs on TV that actually TEACH kids that not all dogs or other animals are all fuzzy and friendly. That they CAN be mean. But you know what? Parents probably wouldn't let them watch those shows! So then, something like this happens, and....... Well, you can see where this all goes....
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33232 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Originally posted by Cadillac Jack: You probably would not kill your saw though! LOL!
Wrong Jack, I've been waiting for such an opportuntiy for several years now. That's why I make it stay in the shop. Damn thing is always making messes I have to clean up. Seems to screw up every poroject I try to teach it. Nope, one more mess and it's a goner.
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
doesnt matter. BOTH were unattended. you can ping-pong the blame all day long. the dog is the owners responsibility. the kid is the parents responisbility. BOTH failed. humans take priority over animals anyday of the week. and, again - kids are dumb - especially other peoples kids. you can stand and point fingers at how someone else should raise their children and spout off how you think you were raised. wont matter. repopulation is unregulated, and open to all participants.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33232 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
With all the different breeds of good dogs out there, I never have understood the need for anyone to have a Pitt Bull in the first place myself. One of the burgs here just banned them totally. You have one and you go to jail. One friend had one last year that was about 6 years old. They had it since a puppy. Kept in an outside fence in the country during workday and in the house when they were home. His wife came home as usual one day and let him in the house where it immediately attacked her biting her arm that required surgery. They had it put down next morning. They are totally unpredictable. Lick your babys face one minute and rip off its head the next.
Having a "license" has nothing to do with having shots and records. The "license" is nothing more than a tax stamp for the dog.
In my perfect world this biting incident would be used by the media and parents as a tool to teach the young that their actions have consequences and the world is not a fuzzy friendly place. The stupidity needs to be in the spotlight instead of coddling the idiots and promoting sympathy for being retarded. I have owned many dogs and had many fenced yards and not one fence has EVER had a lock on it, other than the gated road to our riverfront property.
Kids are F'ing stupid for the most part and people should not make their stupid children other peoples problem. Years ago there was a story in the local paper here about to small kids that let themselves into a garage where a Rotty was in a dog crate. The boy (the elder) poked the dog with a stick and beat the top of the crate working the dog into a frenzy, he then opened the crate door when his sister was in front of it. I can't remember if she was killed or not. This dog was put down too but the owner was not found liable.
I will add however that a dog with a good temperament will usually not harm children unless provoked. I am no fan of Pit's. I wonder if the courts view dogs as an attractive nuisance.
The little girl has an excuse for her stupidity for opening the gate. The dogs owner has none for owning a dangerous dog whos breed is know for its unpredictable and deadly nature.
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
I swear, I wish I didn't know as much as I do about the world we have created. Has everyone gone completely stupid? Apparently yesterday some little girl was trying to pet a pit bull that was safely in his own back yard which was completely fenced in. The girl opens the gate and ends up being attacked by the dog. She goes to the hospital where she will recover, and they PUT THE DOG DOWN last night! WHY?????????????????? This dog was bothering no one one, the stupid kid came into its territory, breaching the security of a fenced yard, and somehow this is the DOGS fault???? And what's more, everyone is asking if the dog's owner has insurance, and apparently he's being cited for not having a license on the dog. Are you shi77ing me???????WTF is wrong with our society! Why isn't someone bitchslapping the parents for not teaching the kid to stay away from unfamiliar animals, or to stay out of yards that aren't thier own unless invited? GAH! Someone just shoot me now, I've had about as much of this rampant idiocy as I can handle......
I agree, and add it is also humans fault for breeding these dogs to be agressive and fight and then using them as pets. It is sad, but these dogs are rarely safe pets.
The little girl has an excuse for her stupidity for opening the gate. The dogs owner has none for owning a dangerous dog whos breed is know for its unpredictable and deadly nature.
The more notably sad thing about this whole situation is that the owner of said dog is probably going to get sued. And the family of the kid will get millions. Even though the kid trespassed on someone elses property. I hate how that can happen.
You have a little girl who didn't know better and an adult who should have.
He should have known some stranger would breach the security and privacy of his fence and trespass on his property? Do you suppose there was a "Welcome" mat in front of the gate?
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Originally posted by Taijiguy: He should have known some stranger would breach the security and privacy of his fence and trespass on his property? Do you suppose there was a "Welcome" mat in front of the gate?
He should have known better then to own a deadly breed of dog. He should have know better then to not lock the gate. The owner was an adult and didn't take the responsible steps to see to it the deadly weapon he kept in his back yard wasn't able to be accidentally unleashed on small children.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
*snort* Like I said, now I see where it comes from....I can only hope one day you become a victim of your own logic.
I hope you are not wishing an injured/killed child over a dog. media has nothing to do with this. BOTH parties were in error - human life supercedes animals. anyday. I dont care if the kid pole vaulted into the yard with steaks strapped to itself - the dog loses.
kids are kids. they do dumb stuff. they are everywhere. they have little or no knowledge of property.
the kid was unattended - the dog was unattended. something bad happened. bye bye doggy. humans rule. that simple.
*snort* Like I said, now I see where it comes from....I can only hope one day you become a victim of your own logic.
Neighbors dog gets inside our fence and falls into the pool. It cant get back out and no one is home. My wife comes home to find police in the yard and the neighbor is in tears about the dog. They threaten my wife but the cop tells them that we didn't do anything wrong, the gate has a lock on it and the dog was out without a leash. Now if there wasn't a lock on the gate I would have had to pay her breeder for another ankle bitter. But we covered our ass, we knew the pool was dangerous to small children and animals so we locked the gate. You do the best you can. Do not be fooled into thinking no one has never been in your yard uninvited. You would be amazed at how many people are on your property without an invitation. Now the closer you are packed in the worse it is. Cant even have an old car in the yard or someone could get hurt. Most people are responsible but because there are those that are not responsible we are now responsible for everyone. Just cover your ass the best way you can.
The dog owner should not be liable in this case I agree. Neither should Bartenders have to tell you when to stop, its your responsibility. In this case the kids parents. Here is a wild idea that would help but not solve the problem, fine people who have Pit Bull puppies and declare them illegal pets. They are usually as unpredictable as a dog that is part wolf and I think that is technically illegal to have for a pet right? Its our own stupid faults for allowing this to begin with, not to mention the dog fighting that still goes on underground. Sure alot of people love Pit Bulls, they can keep theirs until they die of old age, they can be "grandfathered in". But really its like having a wild animal for a pet. They are by far the most abused dogs, alot of them just chained inthe back yard as guard dogs. It is sad. Ok bring on the "its everyones right to have a dangerous pet if they want to" arguments.
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
I hope that was sincerity talking and not sarcasm. When I was 8 years old I walked by a neighbors yard where a dog was tied to a tree and had wrapped himself around it and was choking...like any NORMAL child I wanted to help and went over to unwrap the dog. He bit me on my hand and thigh very badly.
Sorry Toddster, but I have to disagree.8 years old? A panicking dog? No way would you know what you were doing. You SHOULD have run for an adult straight away. ANY adult. The owner was guilty of tethering a dog in a way that could, and DID, cause the animal harm. He was not responsible for the dog biting you, and could never have even guessed that the dog would get tangled up, causing a young child to trespass on his property..and that is what you did!, no matter that your intentions were honourable. The owner was NOT responsible for your actions, laudable as they were, in any way at all. Suppose the house was catching fire, and you decided to get a bucket of water to put it out, and you were badly burned? Is it the house owner's fault that the house caught fire, and you came along and tried your VERY best to do the right thing? No, because it would have been the WRONG thing to do.GET AN ADULT to do an adult's job. Nick
I hope that was sincerity talking and not sarcasm. When I was 8 years old I walked by a neighbors yard where a dog was tied to a tree and had wrapped himself around it and was choking...like any NORMAL child I wanted to help and went over to unwrap the dog. He bit me on my hand and thigh very badly.
Who is at fault? Clearly the owner of the dog is.
Any questions?
Plenty, but we won't waste each other's time knowing full well in advance that we will never agree.
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htexans1 Member
Posts: 9116 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
I'm sure some liberal somewhere is looking to pin this one on Bush too.
Seriously tho, in out litigatious society, we always blame the homeowner even when they have done no wrong. When I was a kid, our dog bit an adult who trespassed on our fenced backyard..... My parents paid out almost 700 in fees and crap related to that mans stupidity.
As long as our rules are messed up, good people will be paying thoough the nose for others stupidity.
It aint just pit bulls either. Rotts, shepards, and even golden retreivers have turned on their owners....
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